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moderated Replies to moderated topics which end up starting new topics still get moderated #bug

 

Hi Mark,

This may be an unintended behavior Reply-Rules bug, but this is what's happening:

1. Group setting (and membership) is set to unmoderated.
2. A particular topic (TopicOLD) is manually set to moderated by the mod.
3. A user pulls the old "too lazy to create a new topic" switcheroo and they click on Reply to one of those (now moderated) TopicOLD messages, either through email or online, changes the subject to a new one, adds the text, and sends it as a "new" to them topic, but which as we know now contains the In-Reply-To: entry referencing a message which now points to a moderated topic.
4. When the message is parsed, the new-topic subject rules are applied but it seems the in-reply-to rules are also applied.
5. This causes the message to correctly create a new topic (TopicNEW) which technically should not be moderated as it's a new topic, but the message still ends up in the pending queue.

Cheers,
Christos

PS: The above is the "consistent" problem/bug behavior.  It then got a bit weird while testing but it seems it's some sort of Thunderbird-specific behavior, I don't know, but I included it here just in case.  I may retest this part with a different Tbird version later on.

6. As expected, after I approved the pending TopicNEW topic starter it got created as a new topic, not moderated.
7. If I reply to that 1st TopicNEW message through Tbird (without changing anything) the reply still goes into moderation, consistently for all the times I tried replying to that 1st message.
8. If I reply through Gmail or online to that 1st TopicNEW message, no problems.
9. If I reply to any other message but the 1st from TopicNEW through Tbird, no problems.


moderated Looks good. One thought.... #suggestion

rich hurd
 

I actually have two groups.io subscriptions, this one for my non-techie world and one, rich@... for my ham radio life.   Logging out is sometimes a chore.  If there was a way to “switch hats” as it weee, that would be massively cool.  


otherwise, no complaints or issues.   


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

coprosowner
 

If you click on “Pricing” it navigates out of your group to a page that shows all of the groups you belong to. 


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moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

 

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 09:31 PM, Andy wrote:
I think it's a random bug.
It's mysterious for sure. But something is going on!
 
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moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

Pat Pratt
 

So far works fine for me. Have notified my groups. Much easier than shuffling through Safari pages
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moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

Andy
 

Checking the Activity Log, ...

  • Yesterday, a co-mod approved a message "via email", and the log does not show that his posting status changed.  I had to change the posting status later (and approve two new messages sent by the same member).

  • 3 days ago, the same co-mod approved a message "via email", and the log shows two results, for both changing the posting status and approving the message.

Same moderator.  Same method of approval (via email).  Different days.  Groups.io handled them differently.

I think it's a random bug.

Since both were approved by email, there was no chance that the moderator clicked the wrong button.

Here are a few other differences (just in case it isn't random):  One sender's domain was gmail.com, other sender's domain was hotmail.it.  One message was a reply, other message started a new thread.  Should either of these matter?  Both messages needing approval had been posted via the web.

Andy


moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

Andy
 

Maybe it is random -- sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  Or there is yet another variable that we have not identified yet.

I didn't try a controlled experiment.  I just observe that approving some messages does not also unmoderate the member, and I have to go back and fix it later.  When I am the one approving the message, I do it from the web and I click the right button to both approve and unmoderate, and it works when I do that.  I'm not sure what my co-moderators do.  It shouldn't matter, should it?

Andy


moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

 

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 07:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
supposed to automatically unmoderate them.
I checked in my test group, and the NMM1 is working fine. It even works fine when the message is mod-edited. I can't reproduce the bug I reported, and I can't reproduce what Andy is experiencing.
 
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moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

 

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 07:48 PM, Andy wrote:
Why does approving a new member's message (with "Unmoderate After 1 Approved Message") not also unmoderate them?
It is absolutely supposed to automatically unmoderate them. This sounds like part of the same bug. It's possible my assumption that the bug was limited to the case of mod-edited messages was erroneous, and that there's simply a bug in the counter for approved messages.
 
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moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

Andy
 

I apologize if this is something I should know and/or if it's documented.

Why does approving a new member's message (with "Unmoderate After 1 Approved Message") not also unmoderate them?  Why must Moderators also click the "Approve and Unmoderate" button, or go back to the member and disable their Override moderation setting?

I'm asking this as a reply here, because it might be related to the OP's question.  What is the deal (or what is the point) with the "Unmoderate After ..." setting?  From where I sit, it does not seem to do anything.  Why is that?

Andy


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

KWKloeber
 

Needs some touch up. 

Using the iOS app I clicked Help.  Nothing. 

I clicked to reply to a msg on this thread and this popped up:


when sending my last msg, this error popped up:




moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

KWKloeber
 

I don’t know if this is a #suggestion or not, but I’ll try here first. 

Something that drives me CRAZY and I suspect others too, is that links ALWAYS open in an app rather that a website (which are typically much more inclusive with features, info, whatever compared to apps.). I’ve uninstalled so many apps like eBay, Lowe’s, etc for that reason. 

SO Mark, could the message footers be such that ‘View/reply on the web and ‘use the app’ are options??

Double Whoo Hoo!!


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

John McLachlan
 

hmmm.   Logging in was a challenge.  There is no 'login with google' button on the app like there is on the web site, so I had to do the 'send me a link' thing.   


moderated Re: Error message on trying to attach files #bug

 

I just heard back some details from the group member. The first time, he was attaching a pdf. The second time, he was inserting a jpeg. Both times, he got an error message and failure with his first try, but he's not sure it was the same error message. And both times, his second try went through without issue..
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moderated Error message on trying to attach files #bug

 

A group member is receiving an error message on trying to attach files to his messages, and then the second time he tries, the attachment goes through and everything is fine. The first try, he gets this error message:

Syntax error: unexpected token < in JSON at position 2


and the file fails to attach, but otherwise the message goes through normally. He then tries again and gets no error message and the message comes through with the attachment. This has happened to him twice within a few days. The first time it was a pdf, and the second time it was a jpeg.

I've already sent details to Mark at support but am posting here in case anyone else wants to add that they've also experienced this.
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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

September 17, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Improved parsing of some secureserver.net bounce emails.
  • NEW: We now track bounces of moderator notifications in the Email Delivery History page, specifically: storage limit, pending message, pending subscriber, new subscriber, unsubscription, resubscription, spam unsubscription, new subgroup created.
  • NEW: We now track bounces of +owner messages in the Email Delivery History page.
  • NEW: We now track bounces of replies to messages from the web site separately from posts to subscribers in the Email Delivery History page.
  • INTERNAL: Cleanup of email delivery history processing system.

September 14, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Fix a race that resulted in concurrent map writes in the sendmessage daemon.
  • NEW: Include the album name in photo search results. Discussion
  • NEW: Display subscription badges on the /membersubgroups/ page. Discussion
  • CHANGE: Only add a claimed pending message activity log entry when editing a pending message or undoing an edit to a pending message. Previously, a log entry was generated for any pending message action. Discussion
  • CHANGE: When viewing the Polls page, polls that have been closed are now displayed with a X instead of a lock icon. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: In calendar .ics files, we were not properly setting the SEQUENCE number, which meant that sometimes changes to a group's calendar would not show up in calendars that were subscribed via the .ics file.

September 13, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Fixes for encoding bugs that affected pagination throughout the site. Discussion

The next #changelog post will be on September 24th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

Joseph Hudson
 

Of this is awesome, I definitely look forward to trying it on android.

On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm happy to announce that the Groups.io app is now available for both iOS and Android. Here are the links:

• iOS: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/groups-io-app/id1553820507
• Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.groups.webapp
Cheers,
Mark


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

 

I just forwarded Mark's announcement to my group. But it strikes me that the info should be made available to all groups. Maybe a banner?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

Peter Cook
 

Here it is! 


moderated Re: The Groups.io app is now live for iOS and Android #update

Glenn Glazer
 

On the Android version, if I ask for a magic login link, clicking on the link I get in my email goes to Chrome and logs me in there. There doesn't seem to be a way to direct it to the app, which is still not logged in.

Best,

Glenn

On 09/17/2021 15:54, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

I'm happy to announce that the Groups.io app is now available for both iOS and Android. Here are the links:

Cheers,
Mark



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