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moderated Re: Improved draft saving #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 03:38 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
More detail please. Can you give me the exact steps to reproduce this?
One of my members has reported this happening in the app too. He tried posting a message and then posted the same message again as he saw an error the first time:



Andy


moderated Locked topic icon not always shown on Polls view #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

in my testing subgroup, I noticed that the locked topic icon is not always displayed for polls on the polls page. When viewing by topic I see this:




However, on the Poll view, the locked topic icon is not displayed for all locked topics:



Regards
Andy


moderated Member unable to close a poll #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

the member's manual gives clear instructions on how a member can close (or repoen) a poll.  However, the options to do so are not available for them to select. Currently, it seems the minimum requirement is to be a Moderator with the Edit Archives permission.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

 

That is true. I just checked it. It seemed to me before that it was being marked as "claimed" if I even just opened it.

But I still think that "claiming" a pending message should be an affirmative act, just as it is for "claiming" a pending member. Currently, if you check "edit," even if you make no changes, it is marked as claimed. Even if I click on "edit" and then decide to do nothing, it is currently still marked as claimed. That is a different policy from pending members.
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J

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moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 11:38 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
This problem is the reason I had to completely stop even looking at pending messages in the two groups in which I’m a sort of subsidiary mod.
If you just click on the message subject in the pending list, you can view the message without it being logged as claimed.

Andy


moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

 

I agree. This problem is the reason I had to completely stop even looking at pending messages in the two groups in which I’m a sort of subsidiary mod. The minute I open a message, I’m logged as having claimed it, which is extremely misleading (I think the word “wrong” would not be hyperbolic). 

I don’t think this is a problem with having two log entires. I think there should be separate log entries for (a) claiming a message and (b) acting on it. The problem is the overzealousness of (a).


On Sep 12, 2021, at 3:26 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I do take slight issue, though, with simply opening a pending message causing it to be "claimed." That's not what happens when you look at a pending member, where you have to explicitly claim it.
Therein lies the problem. Obviously, I cannot moderate a message without reading it. If I open the message to read it and simply close it, the message is not claimed. 

I always thought I had to open a message in the editor to claim it. Even the docs say that.

I don't think it's appropriate for the log to say I did something that I didn't do.

Thanks,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I do take slight issue, though, with simply opening a pending message causing it to be "claimed." That's not what happens when you look at a pending member, where you have to explicitly claim it.
Therein lies the problem. Obviously, I cannot moderate a message without reading it. If I open the message to read it and simply close it, the message is not claimed. 

I always thought I had to open a message in the editor to claim it. Even the docs say that.

I don't think it's appropriate for the log to say I did something that I didn't do.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 12:30 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Mark -- Recently, when I approve a message, it's creating duplicate log entries:  One about me claiming the message and another about approving it.
I raised this issue back in May this year.  I still think it's unnecessary to have two entries when a message is just approved. A point I tried to make in #29585.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

 

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 04:30 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It is intentional?
Yes because you might claim it and reject it. Or do something else with it. Or nothing at all. Why should they not be separate log entries?

I do take slight issue, though, with simply opening a pending message causing it to be "claimed." That's not what happens when you look at a pending member, where you have to explicitly claim it. Mods can look at pending members without being logged as having claimed them. This policy for logging mods as having claimed a message when they actually have just opened it is relatively new, and seems wrong.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

Andy
 

Not a bug.  It is intentional.


moderated Duplicate log entries for approving pending messages #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- Recently, when I approve a message, it's creating duplicate log entries:  One about me claiming the message and another about approving it.

I've never noticed this before. It is intentional?

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
API: Fixed sub_group_access documention to the /update_group endpoint documention.

Documentation on a diet?

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Site updates #changelog

 
Edited

Changes to the site this week:

September 10, 2021:

  • DOCS: Updates from Nina.
  • API: Fixed sub_group_access documention to the /update_group endpoint documention.
  • API: Changed the subgroup_access field to sub_group_access on the group object to be consistent with other uses of the term.
  • API: Changed the subgroupcategoryid field to sub_group_categoryid on the group object to be consistent with other uses of the term.

September 7, 2021:

  • API: Fix sort_field for /searcharchives endpoint. Discussion

The next #changelog post will be on September 17th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

"turns them into two"
Oops, not thinking straight. Of course it turns them into two. Two of them are in the same topic. All is well!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 02:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please make sure you're using the test instance
My bad, wasn't using that. However, when I do use it, I get three results and collapse mysteriously turns them into two. An improvement, though!
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 2:27 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 02:18 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can you reproduce this searching the beta archives, and if so, what is the search you're doing?
Yes. I used "searching the beta archives"
It produced two results, and when collapsed, shrunk down to zero.
 
Hmmm, it's working for me. Please make sure you're using the test instance (it will say "TEST VERSION" at the top of the page). If that's not it, which browser are you using?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 02:18 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can you reproduce this searching the beta archives, and if so, what is the search you're doing?
Yes. I used "searching the beta archives"
It produced two results, and when collapsed, shrunk down to zero.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 2:15 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I wanted so much to believe this, but nope. Just tried it, and collapsing wiped out all the results again.

Can you reproduce this searching the beta archives, and if so, what is the search you're doing?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

I wanted so much to believe this, but nope. Just tried it, and collapsing wiped out all the results again.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search/collapse #bug

 

Hello,

I think I've fixed it. Sure, it's gonna work now, I believe it! :-) Please try out the test server: https://groups.io/settest/pagination

Thanks!
Mark

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