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moderated Re: renaming a link should leave a pointer from the old name #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 11:44 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
What this suggestion request is that the old link as published act as a soft link to the new location and transitively so. If someone wants to use a soft link filename for an actual file, it can be deleted in the same way that any other file is deleted. E.g., much as UNIX filesystem links work.
If I understand correctly, what I'm hearing is a desire for a URL that is generated for each file and continues to work independently of its file name. For myself, I sometimes rename files for the express purpose of ensuring that outdated links do not point to it.

I'm unable resolve these two use cases, but at least the current behavior is consistent with how URLs work in the real world of web site maintenance.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: renaming a link should leave a pointer from the old name #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 08/09/2021 09:53, Andy wrote:
When someone uploads a file, what you get in the email is the actual URL of the file at its uploaded location.  You can look at that URL and see the actual location and the actual filename.

When something about it changes (its name or its folder), then obviously the URL isn't valid anymore.  What you would need is to be sent a new URL every time the file is moved or renamed.

When someone renames a file, they can check the box to notify all members too, just like they do when it was uploaded.  But there isn't an automatic email sent just to Moderators like there is with uploads.

I would be happy with this, too.


When someone moves a file to a different folder, I think there is no option to send an email to anyone.

And this also.

The more general problem is stale links for whatever reason and making things more robust and foolproof, and thus less confusing.

Best,

Glenn


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moderated Re: renaming a link should leave a pointer from the old name #suggestion

Andy
 

When someone uploads a file, what you get in the email is the actual URL of the file at its uploaded location.  You can look at that URL and see the actual location and the actual filename.

When something about it changes (its name or its folder), then obviously the URL isn't valid anymore.  What you would need is to be sent a new URL every time the file is moved or renamed.

When someone renames a file, they can check the box to notify all members too, just like they do when it was uploaded.  But there isn't an automatic email sent just to Moderators like there is with uploads.

When someone moves a file to a different folder, I think there is no option to send an email to anyone.

Andy


moderated Re: 2FA & account password #bug

 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:44 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Is it possible to delete your account password despite having 2FA enabled? For obvious reasons, I'm unwilling to repeat this sequence of actions to find out...but if so, it seems like a bug.

No, we do not allow you to delete your password if 2FA is enabled.

Please have him send an email to support and I'll get him sorted out.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated renaming a link should leave a pointer from the old name #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

I got an upload message, clicked on the link and it just took me to the top level directory of the files section. Some exploring showed that the file had been very slightly renamed, same directory. While I understand the missing file behavior, I think it could be confusing or even scary for less tech savvy folks.

What this suggestion request is that the old link as published act as a soft link to the new location and transitively so. If someone wants to use a soft link filename for an actual file, it can be deleted in the same way that any other file is deleted. E.g., much as UNIX filesystem links work.

Best,

Glenn


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moderated 2FA & account password #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- We have a vision-impaired person in GMF who uses a screen reader. He turned on 2FA and is now having difficulty logging in.

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/84746947 
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/84766850#38936 

At one point he stated that he deleted his account password and tried to use "email me a link" to log in. Of course, that didn't work, and now he can't log in at all.

Is it possible to delete your account password despite having 2FA enabled? For obvious reasons, I'm unwilling to repeat this sequence of actions to find out...but if so, it seems like a bug.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Returning bug: below messages, banned members' names/profiles are viewable, past (not banned) members' profiles are not viewalbe #misc #bug

 

this
"(1) if the member is banned, the display name and email address show up below the message"
was a mental typo in summarizing the results and should read "in the message list only", but everyone can see the results in the table and come to their own conclusions.

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moderated Re: Returning bug: below messages, banned members' names/profiles are viewable, past (not banned) members' profiles are not viewalbe #misc #bug

 

Here are my test results, and there are some real anomalies here. Bruce, good question about whether only mods can see the profile. The answer is yes. However, note the other discrepancies and inconsistencies.

When looking at the message list (i.e., without search filtering), what you see is consistent, whether the past member banned or non-banned, and whether or a mod or a non-mod is viewing, namely: the email address and display name are always visible, both at the top of the message and in the attribution below the message in the list. The display name, however, is not clickable so the profile is not viewable.

However, in search results on the message list, the results are the same as for the message list except:
(1) if the member is banned, the display name and email address show up below the message; and
(2) if a mod is viewing the display name is actually clickable and takes you to the profile.

I agree generally with Bruce that none of this - neither email address nor display name (let alone, clickable display name taking you to the profile) - should be available for a past member. Weirder still, although more an anomaly than a danger, is that only if the member is banned do mods see a clickable display name leading to the profile.

I've checked and re-checked this until my brain is fried, and I think it's all accurate, but hopefully others will double-check to confirm. I haven't thought a whole lot about it but will try, even if further thoughts occur to me, not to post a bunch of p.s.'s for now.


 

PAST (NON-BANNED)

mods see

PAST (NON-BANNED)

non-mods see

BANNED

 

mods see

BANNED

 

non-mods see

MESSAGE LIST

 

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email address at top of message

YES

YES

YES

YES

display name  and email address below message

YES

YES

YES

YES

display name clickable to show profile

 

 

no

no

no

no

SEARCH RESULTS

 

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email address at top of message

YES

YES

YES

YES

display name  and email address below message

no

no

YES

YES

display name clickable to show profile

no

no

YES

no

 


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J

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moderated Re: Returning bug: below messages, banned members' names/profiles are viewable, past (not banned) members' profiles are not viewalbe #misc #bug

 

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 07:01 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I have no banned members
Forgot to mention: Bruce, you can ban a past member for a minute or two (it has absolutely no effect on them), see the result, and then "unban" them. I formerly used to do this precisely because of this bug (or "feature"), namely: banning them allows to see their profile again. You can unban them immediately afterwards (and see their profile go away). They will not be notified, they won't see anything different (unless they try, during those 10 -20 seconds of your test, to go to the group home page), and they will be completely unaware that they have been (technically) "banned." This will only work on search results, as I said below.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Returning bug: below messages, banned members' names/profiles are viewable, past (not banned) members' profiles are not viewalbe #misc #bug

 

Before everyone jumps in to respond, I've narrowed the problem down to search results after searching the message list. It's not the message list in general. I'm working on testing all the cases and will report back: member viewing vs mod viewing, past vs banned, message list vs search results, and top of message vs display name at the bottom. This will take me a little while, but before anyone else jumps in to say they're not seeing it, that's right if you're just looking at the message list before doing a search on it. Will report back later. Meanwhile I think you will see what I mean if you do a search on the message list.

And Bruce, I totally agree that this info should not be visible in either case - past or banned.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Returning bug: below messages, banned members' names/profiles are viewable, past (not banned) members' profiles are not viewalbe #misc #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 10:17 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Below the message of a member who has left or been removed, i.e., a past (but not banned) member, the display name is invisible and replaced with elipses.
J -- Can you provide a screenshot of this?

I'm seeing the domain portion of the email address replaced by ellipses, but the Display Name seems intact. 

But when that same member is banned, the display name (and clickable profile, if it exists) comes back, and it, and the profile, are completely viewable again (and with the incorrect "joined" date equal to the date and time the member was banned, i.e., added to the banned list). Unban the member and it goes away again; ban the member again and it comes back.
I have no banned members. Is the banned member profile viewable to regular Members, or just the Owner?

As for profiles of past members, I'm not in favor of those being visible. When I leave a group I expect my profile to go away, too.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Returning bug: below messages, banned members' names/profiles are viewable, past (not banned) members' profiles are not viewalbe #misc #bug

 

This came up awhile ago and my impression was that at one point it had been fixed, but now it's back:

Below the message of a member who has left or been removed, i.e., a past (but not banned) member, the display name is invisible and replaced with elipses. But when that same member is banned, the display name (and clickable profile, if it exists) comes back, and it, and the profile, are completely viewable again (and with the incorrect "joined" date equal to the date and time the member was banned, i.e., added to the banned list). Unban the member and it goes away again; ban the member again and it comes back.

This seems like the reverse of how it should be.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

August 6, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Starting to block incoming email from some sets of known dynamic IP addresses.
  • BUGFIX: Some messages were being truncated after the update to the quoted printable library.

August 5, 2021:

  • API BUGFIX: Subgroups with a privacy setting of unlisted, public archives would be returned from the API with a blank "privacy" field. Discussion
  • CHANGE: Updated the library we use to decode and encode quoted printable parts of messages, which should fix some edge case bugs.

August 2, 2021:

  • CHANGE: We now require that the email address used in the MAIL FROM part of an SMTP transaction have a valid MX record.
  • NEW: Check all boxes in the Export Group Data page. Discussion

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Problem still exists with messages being cut off #bug

 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 6:16 AM Mary Rowse via groups.io <merowse=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Problem is not fixed.  Some messages go through all the way and others are cut off mid sentence.  No telling which ones.  A moderator on another list offered the advice below.

As I mentioned in another topic, I believe this is fixed for real this time.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #bug Messages being truncated #bug

 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:11 AM Ann Wild via groups.io <annlwild=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I don't think the problem is fixed.  I just ran into this: We cannot get edits to a message to hold.  For example, when I just tried to fix a sender's last name in a message, the correction would not hold.  Her full name, in fact, had been deleted from the message that was sent in.  Yesterday, a name that was added did not come through when posted.

Thanks for this example, I was able to go in, duplicate the problem and fix it. Sorry about that.

 
  One time this morning we got the option after saving the edits to "Approve and Unrmoderate Senders."  Although Shai says we should have seen that all along, we have never seen it before.  We are fully moderated; the group is set up that way.  We moderate from the website.  Please help so we can resume posting.

This logic hasn't changed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #bug Messages being truncated #bug

Ann Wild
 

Mark,

I don't think the problem is fixed.  I just ran into this: We cannot get edits to a message to hold.  For example, when I just tried to fix a sender's last name in a message, the correction would not hold.  Her full name, in fact, had been deleted from the message that was sent in.  Yesterday, a name that was added did not come through when posted.  One time this morning we got the option after saving the edits to "Approve and Unrmoderate Senders."  Although Shai says we should have seen that all along, we have never seen it before.  We are fully moderated; the group is set up that way.  We moderate from the website.  Please help so we can resume posting.

Ann Wild


moderated Re: Add Photos and Add Attachments #suggestion

John Webster
 

Would like this feature as well

For background - admin wants to be able to remove old photos (worried about storage space) easily so created a photo album for that message topic. I uploaded photos to that album but can't link to them directly which would be nice

Alternatively, if the Email album could be purged of those linked images when a message topic is deleted that would keep my admin happy. I think that suggestion or something similar has been made already

Nerd analysis
I know this isn't trivial. The system uses tiny MCE and would have to create a picker that could navigate a group's photo directory, getting references to the actual file location on aws instead of the photo album url

John


moderated Problem still exists with messages being cut off #bug

Mary Rowse
 



Problem is not fixed.  Some messages go through all the way and others are cut off mid sentence.  No telling which ones.  A moderator on another list offered the advice below.


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Yes, you just have to keep hitting “save” and reopen it and look to see if it saved or got cut off. One thing I’ve been doing is to copy the edited text before hitting save. That way, if I go back to it and find it’s been cut off, I don’t need to do any re-editing but can just paste in the edited text, and hit save again. Usually the second save is the one that takes. Occasionally, it takes 3 tries.
 
It is time-consuming!


moderated Re: #bug Messages being truncated #bug

 

Thanks, Mark.  I'm seeing complete messages and complete tag lines now.  Janet

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 8:43 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] #bug Messages being truncated

 

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 7:34 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Looks fixed.

Oof, sorry about that. I upgraded the library that encodes/decodes quoted-printable parts of emails, to fix some outstanding bugs parsing non-compliant messages. The API was the same, but the new version requires an additional call to prevent the truncating of messages. In my testing, before I pushed the new code, that didn't come up.

 

Thanks,

Mark 

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moderated Re: #bug Messages being truncated #bug

 

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 7:34 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Looks fixed.

Oof, sorry about that. I upgraded the library that encodes/decodes quoted-printable parts of emails, to fix some outstanding bugs parsing non-compliant messages. The API was the same, but the new version requires an additional call to prevent the truncating of messages. In my testing, before I pushed the new code, that didn't come up.

Thanks,
Mark 

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