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moderated Re: Menu problem with older computers #bug

Steve Hayes
 

On 22 Jul 2021 at 13:03, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Steve -- It sounds as if you've somehow disabled Javascript in Firefox.
These pull-down menus require Javascript to work.
But why then do all the other menu items work, and it is just the "Your
Groups" and "Admin" ones that do not?


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Blog: https://methodius.blogspot.com/
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
Fax: 086-548-2525


moderated Re: Peculiar behavior when sorting Member Notices #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 09:57 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Sorting Member Notices by "Type" does not actually put them in alphabetical order.
This one seems to have been fixed recently, too. 

Bruce


moderated Event: Database connection exhaustion #outage - Thursday, July 22, 2021 #outage #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

Database connection exhaustion #outage

When:
Thursday, July 22, 2021
1:55pm to 2:03pm
(UTC-07:00) America/Los Angeles

View Event

Description:

The site was down because all connections to the databases were being used. I do not yet know how this occurred. During this time, the website and email were off-line. Any messages sent to groups during this time will automatically be retried.


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 01:01 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've fixed it so that this can't happen again, and I've deleted the two member notices in your group with blank names.
Thanks again!

Bruce

“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.” -- Douglas Adams


moderated Re: Menu problem with older computers #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
The "Your Groups" item at the top, and the "Admin" item did not work.

A few weeks ago they started working again, and I was happy, but then a week
or two ago they stopped working again -- it looks as as though someone
reloaded the defective version from a backup.
Steve -- It sounds as if you've somehow disabled Javascript in Firefox. These pull-down menus require Javascript to work.

Instructions to turn it back on can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/javascript-settings-for-interactive-web-pages 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Spam messages from "Aleksandr via group." #misc

Robert Oshel
 

My co-moderator of the WPCA group and I have been receiving numerous spam messages in Russian from "Aleksandr via group." with email addresses from "info@...", "info@...", "info@...", and similar addresses.  I don't know if anything can be done about this, especially if Aleksandr's addresses are spoofed, but I want to report it.

Please excuse me if this isn't the correct group to report this.

  Robert Oshel


moderated Re: Moderator permissions #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 8:59 PM Mick Anderson <mfanders@...> wrote:
In the Moderator permissions you cannot send a bounce probe unless the “Remove members” permission is selected.
Could this be added to the permission description?

This is not actually the case, and I just tested it with a moderator that does not have the Remove Members permission.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Menu problem with older computers #bug

Steve Hayes
 

For a few months I had problems with the groups.io main menu.

The "Your Groups" item at the top, and the "Admin" item did not work.

A few weeks ago they started working again, and I was happy, but then a week
or two ago they stopped working again -- it looks as as though someone
reloaded the defective version from a backup.

I asked about this on the GMF forum, and it appears to affect only older
computers (mine runs Windows XP Service Pack 3 and Firefox v41 (later
versions of Firefox are bloatware).

As all the other menu items work OK, would it be possible to fix those two to


work for those of us who are pensioners and can't afford to buy the latest
hardware to run the latest bloatware every couple of years?


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Steve Hayes
E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk
Blog: https://methodius.blogspot.com/
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
Fax: 086-548-2525


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:43 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Mark -- Surprised to find that the Name field still accepts whitespace.

In my group IAS-INDY, I created a Welcome notice with a Name of "  ". Having done so, I cannot open it to edit or delete.

I've fixed it so that this can't happen again, and I've deleted the two member notices in your group with blank names.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Now, when you attempt to add or update a member notice, you'll get an error message if either the Name or the Message are blank.
Mark -- Surprised to find that the Name field still accepts whitespace.

In my group IAS-INDY, I created a Welcome notice with a Name of "  ". Having done so, I cannot open it to edit or delete.

FYI,
Bruce


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

 

Regarding non unique notice+group combos, what about enhancing the notice list display, by renaming the Date caption to Date Last Edited and adding another column with the Date Created value. (assuming of course that field exists in the db and gets populated)  It doesn't really resolve the dupe nuisance, but it does make it a bit clearer/helpful to the admin which may be the "good" notice and should prompt them to do house-cleaning.

Another possibility is to check the name+group pair after being populated and lose focus and just add a colored FYI info text blurb under the Name box or thereabouts, similar to what happens now (on premium groups) if an admin attempts to change a member's email address to an existing one.  Or alternatively, depending on which is easier/faster to implement, put up an FYI info balloon at the top of the screen after saving the notice, alerting the admin there is another notice existing with the same name+group combo.  Either should be enough for the admin to realize their oops as I don't personally see why one would create a dupe name+group notice on purpose.  

A similar FYI balloon could also be displayed when the admin goes into the notices screen to alert them about the existence of dupes; again that may prompt them to clean things up and maybe the dupes will be weeded-out eventually, to where an actual requirement rule could then be introduced and enforced during notice creation/editing.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I did not make it a requirement that the name be unique because there are already several existing member notices in the system that have the same name/group pair, and it's not clear to me what the best way to address that would be.
Me neither...that problem also occurred to me after I posted the suggestion yesterday.

Thanks!
Bruce


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:53 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- We had a user in GMF get confused when he repeatedly attempted to save a member notice of type Direct Add but it never appeared in the list of notices. As it turned out, he had failed to type anything into the editor, and that's why the notice was discarded. Although I like this behavior, it is [apparently] less than intuitive.

While investigating this, I was surprised to also discover that I can create a Member Notice with the same Name and Type as an existing one, or with no name at all. This is disconcerting when you subsequently attempt to select one to send.

Now, when you attempt to add or update a member notice, you'll get an error message if either the Name or the Message are blank.

I did not make it a requirement that the name be unique because there are already several existing member notices in the system that have the same name/group pair, and it's not clear to me what the best way to address that would be.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #suggestion Prevent bad actors from unsubscribing me #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Paul Bryan wrote:
it appears that anyone can anonymously click the "unsubscribe" link
I believe it was also suggested there ( and in previous discussions here) that this be changed to a mailto: link to the +unsubscribe address.  Seems to me that would be the best solution because only the sending email address/process could be unsubscribed.

Duane


moderated #suggestion Prevent bad actors from unsubscribing me #suggestion

Paul Bryan <pbryan@...>
 

This was originally posted in Group_Help. Bruce Bowman suggested I also post the issue here. It feels like a #bug to me, but given discussion, apparently is not seen as a bug by others.

From original post:

I forwarded an email message from a Groups.io group, which contains a number of links at the bottom. Upon inspection, it appears that anyone can anonymously click the "unsubscribe" link, and modify my message preferences, or even unsubscribe me from the group (even if I'm owner!) The links are a great feature, but allowing me to be removed from a group by innocently forwarding a message seems pretty bad to me.

From follow-up post:

Certainly they [the links] can be deleted [before forwarding], but not many users will know to remove them when forwarding the email. I'm sure few if any will even know of the hazard of innocently forwarding the message. At least, when you're unsubscribed, you get an email offering to undo the action. And if you undo, the link can't be (ab)used to unsubscribe you again. You can also be switched to digest mode, without such a notification. Basically, someone could change your settings, and you as user get no indication that it occurred. 

I get this resistance when you're trying to opt-out of some marketing mailing list. This is very different; you had to opt into the group; if you truly want to leave, it doesn't seem like a high bar to require some kind of authentication prior to leaving. Leaving this as a link that anyone can anonymously follow and modify my settings is pretty unsettling.

At least, if you click unsubscribe, fine, maybe you shouldn't be forced to authenticate with credentials, but surely it would not be unreasonable to require confirmation by email before the action is committed? And surely, all changes that can be anonymously performed with said link should unequivocally send a notification?

If someone does accidentally send the link out (oops, forgot to remove links when forwarding), there's no way to disable it, except to actually unsubscribe and resubscribe to the group. Without doing so, if  link gets out, it appears to remain active for anyone to exercise at a later time. It I click "cancel and stay", how about it cancels the link so it cannot be reused?

Since this is a #suggestion, I would suggest:

If you have an account with credentials, if you try to unsubscribe, you should either: receive an email with a link to confirm, or be required to authenticate with said credentials to perform the task.

Paul


moderated New hashtag "notabug" - or something #misc

 

I realized today, when my bug report turned out to be bogus because there was no bug, that there seems to be no hashtag for this. There's #fixed but that doesn't really apply. So maybe there could be a new hashtag for this situation, something like #NotABug?
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #bug Missing messages within Group #bug

Sally Davies
 

Thanks Mark - yes, it's fixed :)


moderated #bug Daily Unwanted Reminders #bug

Mike Cohen
 

Bruce,

We have set up two events in ssfc@ssfc.groups.io that each repeat for 5 days, one event from July 19 to July 23 and the other from August 9th to August 13th.  For both, we have "no reminders set", yet we are getting email reminders each day from one or the other event. 

The email notifications that I have been receiving are for the August event.
7/19, I received the notification for the 8/9 event
7/20, I received the notification for the 8/10 event.
Today, 7/21, we got an email notification for the 8/11 event.  

I forward the email reminder to 

main@beta.groups.io

Thanks,
Mike


moderated Re: Activity log -> Changed email -- What's going on? #bug

 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:54 AM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
Occasionally I check the Activity logs to see who has changed their email address.  I use the "Actions" drop-down menu choice "Changed email".

Today, when I do that, it seems to work -- but the "Actions" drop-down menu becomes significantly altered.  It doesn't look right.   The "Actions" menu choice becomes narrow, and its only choice is "All actions", and even that doesn't work right.  It seems to do something, but it isn't "All actions".  I'm not sure what it is.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #bug Missing messages within Group #bug

 

Hello,

The missing message pagination problem should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark

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