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moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:43 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Mark -- Surprised to find that the Name field still accepts whitespace.

In my group IAS-INDY, I created a Welcome notice with a Name of "  ". Having done so, I cannot open it to edit or delete.

I've fixed it so that this can't happen again, and I've deleted the two member notices in your group with blank names.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Now, when you attempt to add or update a member notice, you'll get an error message if either the Name or the Message are blank.
Mark -- Surprised to find that the Name field still accepts whitespace.

In my group IAS-INDY, I created a Welcome notice with a Name of "  ". Having done so, I cannot open it to edit or delete.

FYI,
Bruce


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

 

Regarding non unique notice+group combos, what about enhancing the notice list display, by renaming the Date caption to Date Last Edited and adding another column with the Date Created value. (assuming of course that field exists in the db and gets populated)  It doesn't really resolve the dupe nuisance, but it does make it a bit clearer/helpful to the admin which may be the "good" notice and should prompt them to do house-cleaning.

Another possibility is to check the name+group pair after being populated and lose focus and just add a colored FYI info text blurb under the Name box or thereabouts, similar to what happens now (on premium groups) if an admin attempts to change a member's email address to an existing one.  Or alternatively, depending on which is easier/faster to implement, put up an FYI info balloon at the top of the screen after saving the notice, alerting the admin there is another notice existing with the same name+group combo.  Either should be enough for the admin to realize their oops as I don't personally see why one would create a dupe name+group notice on purpose.  

A similar FYI balloon could also be displayed when the admin goes into the notices screen to alert them about the existence of dupes; again that may prompt them to clean things up and maybe the dupes will be weeded-out eventually, to where an actual requirement rule could then be introduced and enforced during notice creation/editing.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I did not make it a requirement that the name be unique because there are already several existing member notices in the system that have the same name/group pair, and it's not clear to me what the best way to address that would be.
Me neither...that problem also occurred to me after I posted the suggestion yesterday.

Thanks!
Bruce


moderated Re: Member Notice creation #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:53 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- We had a user in GMF get confused when he repeatedly attempted to save a member notice of type Direct Add but it never appeared in the list of notices. As it turned out, he had failed to type anything into the editor, and that's why the notice was discarded. Although I like this behavior, it is [apparently] less than intuitive.

While investigating this, I was surprised to also discover that I can create a Member Notice with the same Name and Type as an existing one, or with no name at all. This is disconcerting when you subsequently attempt to select one to send.

Now, when you attempt to add or update a member notice, you'll get an error message if either the Name or the Message are blank.

I did not make it a requirement that the name be unique because there are already several existing member notices in the system that have the same name/group pair, and it's not clear to me what the best way to address that would be.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #suggestion Prevent bad actors from unsubscribing me #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 03:24 PM, Paul Bryan wrote:
it appears that anyone can anonymously click the "unsubscribe" link
I believe it was also suggested there ( and in previous discussions here) that this be changed to a mailto: link to the +unsubscribe address.  Seems to me that would be the best solution because only the sending email address/process could be unsubscribed.

Duane


moderated #suggestion Prevent bad actors from unsubscribing me #suggestion

Paul Bryan <pbryan@...>
 

This was originally posted in Group_Help. Bruce Bowman suggested I also post the issue here. It feels like a #bug to me, but given discussion, apparently is not seen as a bug by others.

From original post:

I forwarded an email message from a Groups.io group, which contains a number of links at the bottom. Upon inspection, it appears that anyone can anonymously click the "unsubscribe" link, and modify my message preferences, or even unsubscribe me from the group (even if I'm owner!) The links are a great feature, but allowing me to be removed from a group by innocently forwarding a message seems pretty bad to me.

From follow-up post:

Certainly they [the links] can be deleted [before forwarding], but not many users will know to remove them when forwarding the email. I'm sure few if any will even know of the hazard of innocently forwarding the message. At least, when you're unsubscribed, you get an email offering to undo the action. And if you undo, the link can't be (ab)used to unsubscribe you again. You can also be switched to digest mode, without such a notification. Basically, someone could change your settings, and you as user get no indication that it occurred. 

I get this resistance when you're trying to opt-out of some marketing mailing list. This is very different; you had to opt into the group; if you truly want to leave, it doesn't seem like a high bar to require some kind of authentication prior to leaving. Leaving this as a link that anyone can anonymously follow and modify my settings is pretty unsettling.

At least, if you click unsubscribe, fine, maybe you shouldn't be forced to authenticate with credentials, but surely it would not be unreasonable to require confirmation by email before the action is committed? And surely, all changes that can be anonymously performed with said link should unequivocally send a notification?

If someone does accidentally send the link out (oops, forgot to remove links when forwarding), there's no way to disable it, except to actually unsubscribe and resubscribe to the group. Without doing so, if  link gets out, it appears to remain active for anyone to exercise at a later time. It I click "cancel and stay", how about it cancels the link so it cannot be reused?

Since this is a #suggestion, I would suggest:

If you have an account with credentials, if you try to unsubscribe, you should either: receive an email with a link to confirm, or be required to authenticate with said credentials to perform the task.

Paul


moderated New hashtag "notabug" - or something #misc

 

I realized today, when my bug report turned out to be bogus because there was no bug, that there seems to be no hashtag for this. There's #fixed but that doesn't really apply. So maybe there could be a new hashtag for this situation, something like #NotABug?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #bug Missing messages within Group #bug

Sally Davies
 

Thanks Mark - yes, it's fixed :)


moderated #bug Daily Unwanted Reminders #bug

Mike Cohen
 

Bruce,

We have set up two events in ssfc@ssfc.groups.io that each repeat for 5 days, one event from July 19 to July 23 and the other from August 9th to August 13th.  For both, we have "no reminders set", yet we are getting email reminders each day from one or the other event. 

The email notifications that I have been receiving are for the August event.
7/19, I received the notification for the 8/9 event
7/20, I received the notification for the 8/10 event.
Today, 7/21, we got an email notification for the 8/11 event.  

I forward the email reminder to 

main@beta.groups.io

Thanks,
Mike


moderated Re: Activity log -> Changed email -- What's going on? #bug

 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 6:54 AM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
Occasionally I check the Activity logs to see who has changed their email address.  I use the "Actions" drop-down menu choice "Changed email".

Today, when I do that, it seems to work -- but the "Actions" drop-down menu becomes significantly altered.  It doesn't look right.   The "Actions" menu choice becomes narrow, and its only choice is "All actions", and even that doesn't work right.  It seems to do something, but it isn't "All actions".  I'm not sure what it is.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #bug Missing messages within Group #bug

 

Hello,

The missing message pagination problem should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #bug Missing messages within Group #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 09:54 AM, Sally Davies wrote:
I have my 'items per page' preference set to 20 items, but for some reason today it's set itself to 400 messages per page. So, messages 1-400 should be on page #1, but it's still only showing 20 items. When I click on page #2 it is showing messages 401-800, again showing only 20 items. So I've got 380 messages missing on each page!
Yep...I'm having a similar problem with 100/page. I'm getting 1-10000 of 25987 but it's only showing the first 100.

This in Messages view with no query string in the URL.

FYI,
Bruce


moderated #bug Missing messages within Group #bug

Sally Davies
 

Hello all

I've been pointed towards this Group from the io Group Help.

I'm having a problem with a Group that I'm a member of which only started today - and it's very annoying!

I have my 'items per page' preference set to 20 items, but for some reason today it's set itself to 400 messages per page. So, messages 1-400 should be on page #1, but it's still only showing 20 items. When I click on page #2 it is showing messages 401-800, again showing only 20 items. So I've got 380 messages missing on each page! Between page #1 and #2 I'm missing the time period April 26th to July 19th....

I can find the missing messages using the search function, but they stubbornly refuse to appear in the message list :(

I've logged out and back in again, I've changed the preferences to 'infinite scrolling' (still missing that time period) and back again and none of it works. Help!


moderated Activity log -> Changed email -- What's going on? #bug

Andy
 

Occasionally I check the Activity logs to see who has changed their email address.  I use the "Actions" drop-down menu choice "Changed email".

Today, when I do that, it seems to work -- but the "Actions" drop-down menu becomes significantly altered.  It doesn't look right.   The "Actions" menu choice becomes narrow, and its only choice is "All actions", and even that doesn't work right.  It seems to do something, but it isn't "All actions".  I'm not sure what it is.

In other words, it is really messed up!

I did not try many other choices in the Activity logs to see if they also caused this bizarre behavior,  The few I tried seem to still work correctly.

Andy


moderated Member Notice creation #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- We had a user in GMF get confused when he repeatedly attempted to save a member notice of type Direct Add but it never appeared in the list of notices. As it turned out, he had failed to type anything into the editor, and that's why the notice was discarded. Although I like this behavior, it is [apparently] less than intuitive.

While investigating this, I was surprised to also discover that I can create a Member Notice with the same Name and Type as an existing one, or with no name at all. This is disconcerting when you subsequently attempt to select one to send.

My suggestion is twofold:
  • Require the Name field to be both populated and unique, and
  • (More importantly) keep the "Add Notice" button at the bottom greyed out and inactive until all required fields are populated.
Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Re: edit of a message tagged "private" does not go to members who are following-only #bug

 

Mark,

Please delete this bug report. You were right: I had not set the test member to First Message Also. I noticed only that they didn’t receive the edit; I hadn’t checked to notice that (of course) they didn’t get the original, either.:-) Once I set them to FMA, it worked fine.

Thanks!

J


On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:10 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark,
No, there’s no subsequent message. Just the edit. It seems reproducible but I can test it again and send you details. 
Thanks.


On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


J,

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:20 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
If you edit, and send the edit, on a message tagged with a hashtag set to "reply only to sender," the edit does correctly get sent to members sent to Individual Messages. However, it does not reach them if they are also set to Following Only. Apparently the edit is thought of as a reply to the thread, and therefore not received by a member not following the thread.

Could this be what happened?

- A message starting a new topic is sent out
- A reply is sent to that message
- You then edit the first message and send it out
- That edit is not received by people who have FO with First Message Also set? 

I could see how that would happen. If that's not the case, please forward to me off-list as many details as possible.

Thanks,
Mark

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Annoying text replacement in search fields #bug

 

Hi All,

I've pushed a fix. Please let me know if you see any other issues.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Annoying text replacement in search fields #bug

 

Mark,

A bit more clarification on this for messages, I did some further testing.  The part of clearing the search text and not sticking seems to work fine but there is a bit of quirkiness, in both Topics and Messages view:

A: If one starts at the Topics view, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topics

and searches for spam, things look ok, you get back 842 results
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?p=recentpostdate%25252Fsticky%2C%2Cspam%2C50%2C2%2C0%2C0&q=spam

If one clears the search text and enter/clicks, the search box clears, albeit the search text still shows in the URL's 3rd parameter (I guess p3 is for page nav when the search box is populated?):
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?p=recentpostdate%25252Fsticky%2C%2Cspam%2C50%2C2%2C0%2C0&q=

The screen kinda reverts to Message view though, I thought it would go back to Topics view, but in any case, if one searches for something else now, like savvy, 96 messages are returned, and the URL changes to
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?p=Created%2C%2C%2C50%2C2%2C0%2C0&q=savvy , with p1=recentpostdate changing to Created and p2=sticky going away.

If one now clears that search text, the URL resets to https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?p=Created%2C%2Csavvy%2C50%2C2%2C0%2C0&q= and all messages are returned as expected.

 

B: If one starts at the Messages view, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/messages

and searches for spam, the same 842 results are returned but in 842 pages, one at a page as Bruce's screenshot shows.  The URL is
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?p=created%2C0%2C%2C1%2C2%2C0%2C0&q=spam

If the search text is cleared, all the messages are returned as expected, but now still only one displayed at a page (and hitting the 10K limit it seems), and again with p3 still showing the search text
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?p=created%2C0%2Cspam%2C1%2C2%2C0%2C0&q=

Searching for savvy now returns the 96 messages, again one at a page.

 

Interestingly, if one uses the <> nav buttons in either case, the URL resets to using commas instead of the hex values, and p3 goes away, unless q has a value in which case p3 stays but q goes away).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Annoying text replacement in search fields #bug

 

Mark,

It seems it works fine in the member list, both hitting Enter or clicking on the Search button, and also with having or not a filter applied.

In Messages search, if one is in Topics view all works fine there as well, but in Messages view you get the problem Bruce reported.

Cheers,
Christos

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