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moderated Additional Topics nav at bottom of page #suggestion

Dave Kobersmith
 

#suggestion

 

I am a new user of Groups.io. I appreciate the site. One thing that would make it better for me is to have the “topics” button at the bottom like there is at the top of the page. I often get to the end of all the replies to a message and since I don’t go to all the topics I scroll back up to the top to click on topics to take me to the list and decide if that is another topic I want to review. This would make the experience flow a bit nicer for me.

 

Thanks,

Dave Kobersmith

 

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moderated Re: #suggestion Provide for redirection of a Pending messge #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 04:23 PM, Jeremy H wrote:
For a pending message, it would be useful to be able to redirect it ...
Great idea, Jeremy. I have placed several members in moderation because they consistently post personal comments that are not of general interest to the whole group. I could use this feature. It would be very handy.
 
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David Bryant
Canyon Lake, Texas
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moderated #suggestion Provide for redirection of a Pending messge #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

For a pending message, it would be useful to be able to redirect it, either to make it a 'reply to sender' (rather than group), if appropriate, or to send it to an individual (member or otherwise), rather than just have the alternatives of approving (so it goes to group) or rejecting it. (I rather expected this to be possible under 'Edit', but it seems not)

Jeremy H


moderated Re: Spurious Activity Log entry about Moderator's permissions #bug

 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

as discussed on GMF, we are seeing spurious Activity Log entries about Moderator permissions being changed when nothing of the sort has happened.


This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Spurious Activity Log entry about Moderator's permissions #bug

 

Not sure what you mean by "the same message" (is my message being repeated somewhere, or do you mean, the same issue?). I did notice, prior to sending that, that any time  I even went into a Mod's member page or touched it in any way, it was logged as if I'd changed their permissions. That is not happening any more.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Spurious Activity Log entry about Moderator's permissions #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 03:19 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I haven't seen the GMF thread but I mentioned something along these lines recently here:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29650
That looks like the same message and it's being logged in multiple instances whether the member is a Mod or not.  Christos saw it when approving a pending member and I've seen it when changing a member's display name. It makes no sense.

I'd go so far as to put this is the same category as a previous issue I raised when approving a pending message.

Andy


moderated Re: Spurious Activity Log entry about Moderator's permissions #bug

 

I haven't seen the GMF thread but I mentioned something along these lines recently here:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29650

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Spurious Activity Log entry about Moderator's permissions #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

as discussed on GMF, we are seeing spurious Activity Log entries about Moderator permissions being changed when nothing of the sort has happened.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: sluggish groups.io processes, especially editing pending message #misc

 

If you can try the computer version of Firefox, hit F12 to bring up the developer tools (there are other ways to do it if F12 is a problem), click on Network, and then perform the Groups.io action where the network lag starts. Firefox is good at showing all the network connections that happen after that, and how long each one takes. If one seems like it's taking much longer than the others, that could be the culprit.

JohnF


moderated Re: Calendar not sending Special Notices #bug

Jim F.
 

Thank you, Mark!  

Best regards. 

-Jim 

On Jul 12, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:07 AM Jim F. via groups.io <JimF56s=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Our group has meetings twice a month (2nd & 4th Saturdays).  The Calendar is set to send out Special Notice reminders 5 days and 5 hours ahead of each meeting.  But it has started sending the reminders as regular notices that go only to those who are subscribed to get all email posts, not to all members who are subscribed to get Special Notices.  The 'Send as a Special Notice' box is checked for both Calendar reminders.  I tried deleting the Calendar events and setting up new ones, but it didn't help: today's notice went out as a regular notice, so I had to resend it manually as a Special Notice (which worked).  The last Calendar-generated Special Notice was sent 5/22, and the first Calendar-generated regular post was sent 6/07.  Was there an update in that period, or is there something I can do to get the automatic Special Notices working again?  Thanks and best regards.  -Jim F. 
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This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: sluggish groups.io processes, especially editing pending message #misc

 

Mark,

I’m now seeing it on a constant basis and will send you details the next time. I’ve even started to swear at it! :-(

Maybe it’s not groups.io if I’m the only one, but even in that case I could use some smart help on what else it might be.

Thanks!

J


On Jul 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:08 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I've noticed recently that some groups.io processes are sluggish. It's not my computer (new computer is lightening fast) or my connection (all other sites load without delay). Things seem slightly sluggish here in general lately, but one process that stands out in particular, and is fairly (or completely) consistent, is editing a pending message. I'm often sitting there drumming on the table while the little wheel spins and spins until the edit screen finally comes up. I think this has been happening for about the past month. Other processes sometimes seem delayed as well, but I can't point to a pattern except for that one.

This is strange. I monitor how long it takes to generate web pages, and I'm not seeing any issues with the pending message edit screen. Please let me know off-list the next time  you see this and I'll pull up the exact log files and see if I can see anything.

Thanks,
Mark 

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: sluggish groups.io processes, especially editing pending message #misc

 

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:08 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I've noticed recently that some groups.io processes are sluggish. It's not my computer (new computer is lightening fast) or my connection (all other sites load without delay). Things seem slightly sluggish here in general lately, but one process that stands out in particular, and is fairly (or completely) consistent, is editing a pending message. I'm often sitting there drumming on the table while the little wheel spins and spins until the edit screen finally comes up. I think this has been happening for about the past month. Other processes sometimes seem delayed as well, but I can't point to a pattern except for that one.

This is strange. I monitor how long it takes to generate web pages, and I'm not seeing any issues with the pending message edit screen. Please let me know off-list the next time  you see this and I'll pull up the exact log files and see if I can see anything.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Calendar not sending Special Notices #bug

 

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:07 AM Jim F. via groups.io <JimF56s=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Our group has meetings twice a month (2nd & 4th Saturdays).  The Calendar is set to send out Special Notice reminders 5 days and 5 hours ahead of each meeting.  But it has started sending the reminders as regular notices that go only to those who are subscribed to get all email posts, not to all members who are subscribed to get Special Notices.  The 'Send as a Special Notice' box is checked for both Calendar reminders.  I tried deleting the Calendar events and setting up new ones, but it didn't help: today's notice went out as a regular notice, so I had to resend it manually as a Special Notice (which worked).  The last Calendar-generated Special Notice was sent 5/22, and the first Calendar-generated regular post was sent 6/07.  Was there an update in that period, or is there something I can do to get the automatic Special Notices working again?  Thanks and best regards.  -Jim F. 
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This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #bug Apostrophes in Message footers #bug

Michael Pavan
 

Thanks Mark

On Jul 12, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 9:09 AM Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@comcast.net> wrote:
Apostrophes in Message footers appear as:
&#39;

Admin > Message Formatting
is set to:
Plain Text Only

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Email Delivery - Weekly or monthly options (Daily currently) #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 4:13 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 05:55 PM, Not Available wrote:
daily digest of up to 12 messages (so if there are 30 messages on a busy day, I get 3 emails when I want ONE email with all 30 messages
I don't believe that can be done.  At one time the digest was 25 messages, but caused problems, so it was reduced to 12.  This was announced here on the beta group, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/12765

The reason I did that was because Gmail (and other large email services), limit the size of email messages that they will display by default. With gmail, for example, if the message is too long (for whatever their definition is of that), they will only show the first part of the email, and then make you click a link to display the full email. A pain, and I wish they wouldn't do that. 12 messages per digest seemed to be a sweet spot to avoid triggering that in most cases.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #bug Apostrophes in Message footers #bug

 

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 9:09 AM Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@...> wrote:
Apostrophes in Message footers appear as:
&#39;

Admin > Message Formatting
is set to:
Plain Text Only

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated #bug Apostrophes in Message footers #bug

Michael Pavan
 

Apostrophes in Message footers appear as:
&#39;

Admin > Message Formatting
is set to:
Plain Text Only


moderated Re: #suggestion Let sender or moderator know that a message has been flagged as spam #suggestion

 

Ken,

Although it's best to ignore emailed (and phone) spam wouldn't a
spam-puter get back an >*undeliverable*< message if the email *WAS
NOT* received and trapped (i.e., it was sent to an invalid e-dress)?
Beta really isn't the venue for lessons in how internet mail works (nothing here Mark doesn't know), but that's not quite how it works.

What the spam-puter "gets back" is either a "success" code (the message was successfully transferred to the receiving server) or an "error" code (the message was not received or was not accepted)*. There isn't an option for the receiving service to give no result at all - that would break the protocol (SMTP).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol

In the case of a failure to deliver the message, the sender's email service (its "mailer daemon" or "postmaster") will likely put a failure notice in the user's inbox. Though formed like an email message, the failure notice wasn't "received" from anywhere outside of the sending service itself.

And if ignored and sent to a spam box (and was subsequently deleted)
wouldn't the spam-puter receive a spam notice (like gio does which
would then confirm it was a valid e-dress)?
Generally not.

The feedback mechanism by which Groups.io is informed of messages marked as "spam" isn't a part of the standard email protocol. It is a separate mechanism and requires that sender and receiver establish a "contract" (relationship of trust) before setting it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email)

Shal
* There are gradations of success and error codes, as well as an accompanying "one-liner" human readable text. But that doesn't change the explanation in a meaningful way.


moderated Re: #suggestion Let sender or moderator know that a message has been flagged as spam #suggestion

Marc S. Glasser
 

I'd be fine with an option: default to how nonmember messages are handled now, but set the option and the sender/moderator/both will be notified whenever a message is rejected as spam.

It may be that I'll find myself inundated with such notifications and will then change my mind, but at the moment I'm willing to risk it. On the platform that handled our group previously, I think we got about four spam messages over 17 years.

I understand there are many delicate balancing acts involved in running a system like this. Thanks to everyone for their input.

<-----2021-7-8-----MSG----->


moderated Re: #suggestion Let sender or moderator know that a message has been flagged as spam #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 02:58 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
Perhaps allow any/all non-member emails, w/ no spam trapping and all of which MUST be moderated.
This is the way it was before the spam filtering was added (and still is for those that aren't considered spam) - all nonmember emails go to the moderation queue.  Those that aren't considered spam still do.

Duane

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