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moderated Re: Calendar events message title and contents issues #bug

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 9:41 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

If 'Send Invites On Join' is set for a group calendar then:

  • The email subject for the invites when someone joins is 'Calendar events for <GroupEmailAddress> but when they leave, the email subject is the name of the first event that appears in the attached .ICS file.
Hmmm. Does the body of the email start with 'Attached are calendar removal notices' ?

  • The text of both messages refers to 'upcoming' events but the attached ICS file contains details of past events too.
That's by design, to remove all events from your calendar.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Still seeing Mute/Notify for hashtags when Following Only is set #misc

 

I noticed long ago that both types of options remain, and go into effect (or not) depending on whether you’re FO or not. I think that makes sense and is efficient. If you change to FO, your selections stay. I haven’t looked at this in years so maybe you’re reporting something different, and/or things have changed.

I think of it like a master light switch in conjunction with each individual lamp on the switch being on or off. The individual lamps’ switches stay in or off even if the master switch is off. Then when you turn the master switch on, all the lamps set to “on” turn on.

Then again, I’m still in caffeinated over here…


On Jun 22, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:



Hi Mark,

I raised this on GMF a few days ago but got no response.

During some testing on my Owner account I found that if I changed my subscription settings to Following Only (and saved the change) and then went to the Hashtags page, I still see Mute/Notify for each hashtag when I should see Follow/Notify.

It works fine for my Moderator and Member accounts on the same group but for some reason not my Owner account. A bug or am I missing something?

Thanks
Andy


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moderated Still seeing Mute/Notify for hashtags when Following Only is set #misc

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I raised this on GMF a few days ago but got no response.

During some testing on my Owner account I found that if I changed my subscription settings to Following Only (and saved the change) and then went to the Hashtags page, I still see Mute/Notify for each hashtag when I should see Follow/Notify.

It works fine for my Moderator and Member accounts on the same group but for some reason not my Owner account. A bug or am I missing something?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Calendar events message title and contents issues #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

If 'Send Invites On Join' is set for a group calendar then:

  • The email subject for the invites when someone joins is 'Calendar events for <GroupEmailAddress> but when they leave, the email subject is the name of the first event that appears in the attached .ICS file.
  • The text of both messages refers to 'upcoming' events but the attached ICS file contains details of past events too.
Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Stop adding images from cal-summary messages to the Emailed Photos album #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Bruce,

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 03:56 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
My understanding is that Emailed Photos is merely an index of photo attachments...another way to "get at" these photos. It's also my understanding that the #cal-summary messages are stored in the message archive, like any other message. Please correct me if I'm wrong with either of these premises.
The Member's Manual and the Owner's Manual in particular state that images are stored in the Emailed Photos Album and count towards a group's storage limit.  I am happy to be corrected but that doesn't sound like merely an index to me.

In answer to your questions:

Is it prudent to create a discrepancy between what arrives in your email inbox and what appears in the archive?
I'm not saying that.  If the Emailed Photos Album is holding an extra copy each time a #cal-summary message is created than I don't believe that's necessary.

Would it make more sense to just strip all images from the #cal-summary before sending? 
We advertise different events in our calendar which include various images to make things more appealing to members. I don't think stripping out images would help in that respect.  The #cal-summary message in particular is a repeat of what is already in the archive and an individual event and it's images can be sent out multiple times (each week in our case)..

If the images aren't stripped, yet don't appear in Emailed Photos, won't that make it harder to delete them later? 
In relation to #cal-summary messages, they all have the same subject: "Upcoming Events" and so are easily identifiable via Admin > Billing (or Admin > Usage) and then viewing attachments (being able to sort by message Subject may make it easier though).

Maybe something like this should be done for every system-generated message. Is there something special about #cal-summary that makes it an exception?
I think my comments above have covered this.


If the Emailed Photos Album is an index then it's not very user friendly (and I would suggest the manuals need clarifying).  If I look something up in an index in a book then a single entry will typically list all the page numbers where that item is found.  The equivalent on Groups.io would be to show a single image and then list all the messages where that image occurs (and listing the image size and number of occurrences would help storage management too).

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Stop adding images from cal-summary messages to the Emailed Photos album #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 08:15 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
our calendar events frequently feature pictures in the event description and I have found that our weekly #cal-summary messages are creating duplicate images in the Emailed Photos album. Can I suggest that we don't do that please?
Andy -- I'm not yet clear on what the proposal is or what its impact might be.

My understanding is that Emailed Photos is merely an index of photo attachments...another way to "get at" these photos. It's also my understanding that the #cal-summary messages are stored in the message archive, like any other message. Please correct me if I'm wrong with either of these premises.

Questions:
  • Is it prudent to create a discrepancy between what arrives in your email inbox and what appears in the archive?
  • Would it make more sense to just strip all images from the #cal-summary before sending? 
  • If the images aren't stripped, yet don't appear in Emailed Photos, won't that make it harder to delete them later? 
  • Maybe something like this should be done for every system-generated message. Is there something special about #cal-summary that makes it an exception?
Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 07:13 AM, Duane wrote:
For me, the rest of that line covers things,
Yes, of course,  the rest of it is correct. So why not make it correct from the get-go?
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

Duane
 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 08:59 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I've noticed one slightly inaccurate and possibly confusing statement in the guidelines: "All new topics are moderated."
For me, the rest of that line covers things, "Therefore, if your message creates a new topic, expect a delay before it is posted to the group."

Duane


moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

 

Mark,

I've noticed one slightly inaccurate and possibly confusing statement in the guidelines: "All new topics are moderated." That reads, and may sound to newcomers, as if the whole topic is moderated (and what does that even mean - what is required for a topic to be a "new topic"?) To be more accurate or clear, it could be changed to "The first message of every topic is moderated." It could even say, although slightly redundant, "The first message of every new topic is moderated."
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Stop adding images from cal-summary messages to the Emailed Photos album #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

our calendar events frequently feature pictures in the event description and I have found that our weekly #cal-summary messages are creating duplicate images in the Emailed Photos album. Can I suggest that we don't do that please?

We already get copies of any images in an event description added to the Emailed Photos album from #cal-invite messages and then duplicates created for each #cal-reminder and #cal-notice message. Given that the #cal-summary is a repeat of what is already in the system, I don't think we need to create even more duplicates.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 04:58 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
NEW: Poll responses are now shown with links to the responders' profiles.
Hi Mark,

I just tried this with a poll in a subgroup. The respondent in question was no longer a member of the subgroup so the hyperlink took me to the home page of the main group. I'm not sure if that is intentional or not.  Perhaps if the respondent is no longer a member of the group that the poll is in, their name should not be hyperlinked?

NEW: You can now export individual poll results, in either CSV or JSON format.
Thanks for the export feature - that's great.


Regards
Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

June 17, 2021:

  • DOCS: Member Manual updates from Nina.
  • NEW: You can now sort columns when viewing poll responses by answer.
  • BUGFIX: If a #poll-notice is pending, and the poll is edited by a moderator before approval, and the moderater had a display name set but the member who created the poll did not have a display name set, the member's display name would be set to the moderator's display name.
  • NEW: You can now export individual poll results, in either CSV or JSON format.
  • NEW: Poll responses are now shown with links to the responders' profiles.
  • NEW: When viewing poll responses, the respondents display/fullnames are now updated if they've changed since voting occurred.

June 16, 2021:

  • NEW: Export group now has an option to export polls.
  • BUGFIX: For enterprise groups with Disable Signups set to true, we were still showing the Apply button on the group home page, even when it did nothing.
  • BUGFIX: Fix overlapping box when no events to display in calendar list view. Discussion

June 15, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Strip out duplicate group subject tags in messages sent +owner. Discussion
  • NEW: Added more sig tags to be stripped out. Discussion

June 14, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Make the quoted printable decoder more liberal by accepting lower case hex letters.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 08:25 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
I was having a brain fart and couldn't get the words right.
In retrospect I think there would be nothing wrong with "unmuted" (similar to "untarnished," "unadulterated," "unmitigated," etc.), except for the fact that there's an "unmute" feature here, so the first thing that came to mind on hearing "unmuted" was that meaning (i.e., undoing a prior mute). 
 
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moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

 

Mark commonly makes up for a multitude of others' sins. :-)
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moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

 

Ah, Mark, you are so conscientious! But don't worry, the sluggishness is not groups.io's fault, it's my laptop. But thanks for your concern.

Helen


moderated Re: #suggestion Please rewrite email coming from jdpw.com domain #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 6:55 AM Alastair France via groups.io <afrance=jdpw.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Mark, and I can confirm that the change has worked.

It would be worth knowing (I did try looking for information) that this would have been automatic with a different DMARC setting, but there is an element of "cart before the horse" here. I introduced DMARC and wanted to see where there would be any problems if I did turn on a different disposition (which seems a thoroughly sensible thing to do). By FAR the worst "offender" in terms of reports coming back was groups.io (which is not necessarily surprising considering messages get "broadcast" somewhat).

Some time back I had proposed a change to how Groups.io handles DMARC p=none. Currently (and then), we treat that the same as no DMARC record, and we do no re-writing of From lines. I proposed treating p=none the same as p=quarantine/restricted, in that it'd trigger the automatic From re-writing. I got a lot of pushback on that, so I didn't make the change. But I get one or two inquiries a week from people going through the same process you did. Treating p=none the same as the others would fix that.

Mark 


moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:42 AM Tanya's Feline CKD Website <helen@...> wrote:

And yes, I know I could look on groups.io but groups.io can be really sluggish for me so I like to do the vast majority of my work in my e-mail program, which worked just fine for more than five years and now it's c**p. This pisses me off so much I actually would leave groups.io if there were a vaguely decent alternative. Fortunately for Mark, there isn't.


Can you tell me which pages/operations are sluggish for you? 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:23 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Do you mean “all except muted”
That's exactly what I meant, but I was having a brain fart and couldn't get the words right.

Thanks!
P


moderated Re: groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

 

Do you mean “all except muted” or “all non-muted”? That sounds like a good idea. But I think the word “unmuted” sounds like topics you’ve previously muted and then unmuted.


On Jun 16, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

Hi, Mark,

I use the groups.io/topics page to keep up on messages. In addition to the "All," "Muted," and "Followed" options, I'd like to see an "All unmuted" selection so I can see everything except the topics I'm not interested in.

Thanks!
Pete

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Hi, Mark,

I use the groups.io/topics page to keep up on messages. In addition to the "All," "Muted," and "Followed" options, I'd like to see an "All unmuted" selection so I can see everything except the topics I'm not interested in.

Thanks!
Pete

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