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moderated Re: #suggestion Please rewrite email coming from jdpw.com domain #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 6:55 AM Alastair France via groups.io <afrance=jdpw.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Mark, and I can confirm that the change has worked.

It would be worth knowing (I did try looking for information) that this would have been automatic with a different DMARC setting, but there is an element of "cart before the horse" here. I introduced DMARC and wanted to see where there would be any problems if I did turn on a different disposition (which seems a thoroughly sensible thing to do). By FAR the worst "offender" in terms of reports coming back was groups.io (which is not necessarily surprising considering messages get "broadcast" somewhat).

Some time back I had proposed a change to how Groups.io handles DMARC p=none. Currently (and then), we treat that the same as no DMARC record, and we do no re-writing of From lines. I proposed treating p=none the same as p=quarantine/restricted, in that it'd trigger the automatic From re-writing. I got a lot of pushback on that, so I didn't make the change. But I get one or two inquiries a week from people going through the same process you did. Treating p=none the same as the others would fix that.

Mark 


moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:42 AM Tanya's Feline CKD Website <helen@...> wrote:

And yes, I know I could look on groups.io but groups.io can be really sluggish for me so I like to do the vast majority of my work in my e-mail program, which worked just fine for more than five years and now it's c**p. This pisses me off so much I actually would leave groups.io if there were a vaguely decent alternative. Fortunately for Mark, there isn't.


Can you tell me which pages/operations are sluggish for you? 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:23 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Do you mean “all except muted”
That's exactly what I meant, but I was having a brain fart and couldn't get the words right.

Thanks!
P


moderated Re: groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

 

Do you mean “all except muted” or “all non-muted”? That sounds like a good idea. But I think the word “unmuted” sounds like topics you’ve previously muted and then unmuted.


On Jun 16, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

Hi, Mark,

I use the groups.io/topics page to keep up on messages. In addition to the "All," "Muted," and "Followed" options, I'd like to see an "All unmuted" selection so I can see everything except the topics I'm not interested in.

Thanks!
Pete

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moderated groups.io/topics "unmuted" option #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Hi, Mark,

I use the groups.io/topics page to keep up on messages. In addition to the "All," "Muted," and "Followed" options, I'd like to see an "All unmuted" selection so I can see everything except the topics I'm not interested in.

Thanks!
Pete


moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

 

Thank you, Mark. We mods had given up writing to each other via the mods address because of this, so I haven't been able to check your changes yet. Fingers crossed the repetition is resolved.

Helen


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 08:47 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've added these, thanks.
I'd add one more to the list and that is 'Sent from Mail for Windows 10'.  I think it would also be great if you could filter out that annoying little graphic image that gets inserted by that application as a mail separator. We moderate messages with attachments and they get caught because of it.  It seems that some replies from members using Mail for Windows 10 do not create the graphic so I think it may be related to the settings they have; I just haven't found out if there's an option to turn it off yet.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Dave Wade
 

Personally I would add a disclaimer after the Avast tag line saying
something along the lines of.....

".. later processed by several other systems that could have added a
virus"....

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Art Kocsis
via groups.io
Sent: 16 June 2021 04:25
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

On 06-15-2021 12:46, Mark Fletcher wrote:
As for the Avast ads, I agree that they're super annoying.
Unfortunately, they're tricky to catch because the company is always
changing the text/links. So it's difficult to write code to find all of
them.

I suppose that I am the outlier here but I disagree.

Virus scanning is useful info and should not be removed - unlike the
strictly
obnoxious advertisements "Sent from ..." and such.





moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 03:42 PM, Tanya's Feline CKD Website wrote:
I hate having subject tags on posts that are not sent directly to the group itself. This is a recentissh change that has made it a lot harder to filter messages where they need to go in my e-mail program (e.g. just found a few subscription approval requests in the folder for that group's messages).
Hi Helen,

messages about subscription requests, message approval notifications and database updates etc. are flagged as notifications so my Outlook rule to trap these is:



Perhaps you can do something similar in your own email client?

Andy


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

Indeed, which is why I always disabled these tag lines when I used
Avast. In any case, it is quite easy for the user to disable them in
Avast options, although slightly hidden.

I don't use Avast now, having realised that it had not alerted me to
anything for many years I have moved to Windows Defender which doesn't
have these quirks.

Dave

On 15 Jun 2021 at 22:42, D R Stinson wrote:

Virus scanning is useful info and should not be removed - unlike
the strictly obnoxious advertisements "Sent from ..." and such.
Remember - anything that can be added as a tag line can be spoofed. If
you're not doing your own virus scanning you're just waiting for
trouble. The only reason the VS companies put on a tag lines is
advertising.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

 

Art commented:
I suppose that I am the outlier here but I disagree.

Virus scanning is useful info and should not be removed - unlike
the strictly obnoxious advertisements "Sent from ..." and such.
Remember - anything that can be added as a tag line can be spoofed. If you're not doing your own virus scanning you're just waiting for trouble. The only reason the VS companies put on a tag lines is advertising.

Dano


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Art Kocsis
 

On 06-15-2021 12:46, Mark Fletcher wrote:
As for the Avast ads, I agree that they're super annoying. Unfortunately, they're tricky to catch because the company is always changing the text/links. So it's difficult to write code to find all of them.
I suppose that I am the outlier here but I disagree.

Virus scanning is useful info and should not be removed - unlike the strictly obnoxious advertisements "Sent from ..." and such.


moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

Donald Hellen
 

Tanya . . .

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:08:47 -0700, "Tanya's Feline CKD Website"
<helen@felineckd.com> wrote:

Could it please just entirely disappear (my preference) or just remain at one subject tag at most.
If you're the group owner you can disable hashtags. We had some
complaints about them in one group I started so I disabled them and
made an announcement about it. Only a few subject threads had them
anyway, so it was not something most members even used.

You may be referring to something else, and if that's the case, please
disregard this.

Donald


This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.


moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

 

Hello,

I've made the code that processes subject lines of messages sent to the +owner address smarter, and you should no longer suffer from Group Subject Tag Build Up.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 04:45 PM, Drew wrote:
It may be possible to simply trim everything after a dash-dash-space sequence.
No, that's what the site uses for our signatures that we've set up for groups.  I haven't seen all of those used as AV ads, but I would think most, if not all, would say "virus free" or at least contain the word virus.

Duane


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Drew
 

I guess I don't really get many of these annoying commercial sigs in the lists that I subscribe to, but I just searched through a bunch of email to find an Avast sig...

It is pre-pended with a "-- " (dash-dash-space sequence on a line of its own), which is the ancient standard sig separator from Usenet days of old. It may be possible to simply trim everything after a dash-dash-space sequence. I guess you would want to check an assortment of Avast sigs to see if they are consistent in this respect.

Also, regexp (regular expression) search & replace (if available) might be a more powerful way of trimming Avast and other such sigs rather than trying to specify every existing variation.

Drew

On 06/15/21 14:46, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 6:38 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@linetwo.co.uk <mailto:andy_wedge@linetwo.co.uk>> wrote:
| www.emclient.com <http://www.emclient.com>
/(Note: not prefixed with 'Sent')/
I've added these, thanks.
As for the Avast ads, I agree that they're super annoying. Unfortunately, they're tricky to catch because the company is always changing the text/links. So it's difficult to write code to find all of them.
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Subject tags in non-group posts #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 03:41 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Definitely sounds like a bug.
If it's what I think it is, I wouldn't call it a bug...just a missing feature.

How are these messages being sent? Are you just sending messages to +owner?
Subject Tags accumulate when folks repeatedly forward (or CC) sequential messages to the +owner address. Keeping the Subject Tag short makes this less objectionable. I would not want to eliminate the Subject Tag altogether, as that's a step backward. If you could somehow parse the subject line so that only the first one was retained, that would be good.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Larry Finch
 



On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 4:39 PM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:46:56 +0100, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

As for the Avast ads, I agree that they're super annoying. Unfortunately, they're tricky to catch because the company is always changing the text/links. So it's difficult to write code to find all of them.

Sure, I didn't think it would be easy Mark - especially for AV software in general rather than just Avast.

Still, if you ever think of a way to do it, please do.


This story is a year old, and they claim they have stopped being evil, but do you trust them?


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moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

 

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:46:56 +0100, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

As for the Avast ads, I agree that they're super annoying. Unfortunately, they're tricky to catch because the company is always changing the text/links. So it's difficult to write code to find all of them.

I didn't think it would be easy Mark - especially for AV software in general rather than just Avast.

Still, if you ever think of a way to do it, please do.
 

 
For AVG Free users it can be done manually.
Open AVG and go to Menu > Settings
Under "Basic protection" - "Email Shield", UNcheck "Add a signature to the end of sent emails."
 
Someone please correct this if you find it doesn't work.
 
Dano
 
 
 


moderated Re: Strip out more common email sigs #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:46:56 +0100, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

As for the Avast ads, I agree that they're super annoying. Unfortunately, they're tricky to catch because the company is always changing the text/links. So it's difficult to write code to find all of them.

Sure, I didn't think it would be easy Mark - especially for AV software in general rather than just Avast.

Still, if you ever think of a way to do it, please do.

Malcolm.

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