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moderated Re: File-update notification does not notify members after choosing "Notify Members" #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 06:25 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
Ha, same here - I just got the notices.

Must be a traffic jam somewhere.
This is by design, so that if someone updates several files (or wiki entries or whatever) in a short period of time only one notification is sent.

I believe you'll find the original discussion of this somewhere in here: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/74948073 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: File-update notification does not notify members after choosing "Notify Members" #bug

Peter Cook
 

Ha, same here - I just got the notices.

Must be a traffic jam somewhere.

Pete


moderated Re: File-update notification does not notify members after choosing "Notify Members" #bug

 

It was just my impatient self. It took 8 minutes to come through. Doesn't seem like it should take that long, but whatevs. :)
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J

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moderated Re: File-update notification does not notify members after choosing "Notify Members" #bug

Peter Cook
 

This was working for me as recently as a week ago but I just tested it and it's not anymore - no notification for new file, update, or deletion. 

{Pete


moderated File-update notification does not notify members after choosing "Notify Members" #bug

 

I just updated one of our group files and checked "Notify Members," but nothing happened. Thinking it was just me being my usual impatient self, I gave it a few minutes, but still nothing. Then I did it again - still nothing. The log shows both updates. (Also might be good to include "with Notify Members" in the log entry.)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Log moderator notification changes as notification changes, not permission changes #suggestion

 

I noticed that when I change a mod's notifications, the change is logged as "changed xyz's moderator permissions." I'm requesting that this be logged more accurately, so that mods don't start getting up in arms and wondering why I changed their permissions, and which ones. I have been doing some major revisions of one wiki page that's of no particular interest to anyone, and my alternate mod account in the group is getting dozens of these notifications, and it's annoying. So I began turning off everyone's wiki notifications. But when I checked the log, I saw that it was being recorded as if I'd changed their permissions.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #misc Issue with bouncing messages (seems as mail from groups.io is sent to wrong mail server) #misc

YT9TP - Pedja
 

Usually what this means is that we had a problem looking up the MX record for
your domain and fell back on using the A record. I don't know why we had a
problem with the lookup, but it appears to be temporary.
I agree. This happens quite rarely but it efficiently and promptly disables me getting email. I follow some pretty important groups and this is problem, that I miss some emails until I found out there is an issue. That is the reason I am trying to resolve this.

One of the solutions may be that groups.io is set to be less rigid on bounces (at least these ones), to avoid these temporary glitches to deactivate emails.

The IP address, 66.175.222.12, is on SORBS Spam list and may play a part in this issue.
It does not get to the point to check SORBS. Mail is sent to server that is not accepting mail for specified domain so it rejects it promptly.

It would be necessary to supply the domain name in order to investigate the issue. That
said, I cannot imagine this would "occasionally" be anything other than some type of DNS
configuration issue since it is the sole source of determining where an email is attempted
to be sent.
Domain is in my email address: uzice.net


moderated Re: #misc Issue with bouncing messages (seems as mail from groups.io is sent to wrong mail server) #misc

 

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 4:03 PM YT9TP - Pedja via groups.io <yt9tp=uzice.net@groups.io> wrote:
I've got message from groups.io that mail sent to me is bouncing. Followed the link to check it out.

In Recent Bounces I found out list of bounce notification from several dates all with similar message like this one:

96.31.72.43: 550 Please turn on SMTP Authentication in your mail client. web01.groups.io [66.175.222.12]:53022 is not permitted to relay through this server without authentication.

I checked logs of my mail server and found out no traces of these connections and bounces.

Then I realized that it seems messages are bounced by mail server at 96.31.72.43. That is IP of server where my domain is hosted. Server does have mail server but for this specific domain, MX record is set for different address, meaning mail server at 96.31.72.43 is not used but other one, as specified in MX for this domain.


Usually what this means is that we had a problem looking up the MX record for your domain and fell back on using the A record. I don't know why we had a problem with the lookup, but it appears to be temporary.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #misc Issue with bouncing messages (seems as mail from groups.io is sent to wrong mail server) #misc

Duane
 

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 07:42 AM, Jim Wilson wrote:
SORBS Spam list
SORBS is notorious for false positives (and lack of cooperation), https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27122

Duane


moderated Re: #misc Issue with bouncing messages (seems as mail from groups.io is sent to wrong mail server) #misc

Jim Wilson
 

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 06:03 PM, YT9TP - Pedja wrote:
66.175.222.12
The IP address, 66.175.222.12, is on SORBS Spam list and may play a part in this issue. It would be necessary to supply the domain name in order to investigate the issue. That said, I cannot imagine this would "occasionally" be anything other than some type of DNS configuration issue since it is the sole source of determining where an email is attempted to be sent.
 
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Jim


moderated #misc Issue with bouncing messages (seems as mail from groups.io is sent to wrong mail server) #misc

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I've got message from groups.io that mail sent to me is bouncing. Followed the link to check it out.

In Recent Bounces I found out list of bounce notification from several dates all with similar message like this one:

96.31.72.43: 550 Please turn on SMTP Authentication in your mail client. web01.groups.io [66.175.222.12]:53022 is not permitted to relay through this server without authentication.

I checked logs of my mail server and found out no traces of these connections and bounces.

Then I realized that it seems messages are bounced by mail server at 96.31.72.43. That is IP of server where my domain is hosted. Server does have mail server but for this specific domain, MX record is set for different address, meaning mail server at 96.31.72.43 is not used but other one, as specified in MX for this domain.

It seems to me that groups.io occasionally tries to send mail to me using IP address of a domain instead of IP address as specified in MX, and, as expected, that server refuses to accept mail.

As my email is on several groups at groups.io I receive mail from there regularly. It seems groups.io usually properly sends mail using MX information, but occasionally uses domain address instead and then bounce occurres.

I see no way how can I handle such bounces.


moderated Re: Invitation expiration #bug

 

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:24 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Several people have reported that invitations they send out can't be used.  The expiration date shown in them is up to 6 weeks before the sent date.  There doesn't seem to be any other pattern, some are part of a batch, some are singles (but not sure if more were sent earlier that day.)

I believe what was happening was that, for invites that were re-sent, we were sometimes using an incorrect expiration date. That's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated #suggestion Please rewrite email coming from jdpw.com domain #suggestion

Alastair France
 

Hi - I have two problems relating to mail delivery from groups.io to this domain - one being that the DMARC policy applying to this domain expects messages to be signed with the domain key, and messages that are coming from users here which are showing as coming from (for example) afrance@... are instead signed by groups.io; the second being that messages coming in to the domain from users within the domain are not authenticating so get bounced (this is because the mail server expects internal users to authenticate before they are permitted to send mail to prevent open relay issues). These could both be fixed by groups.io rewriting messages originating from here. I did raise a ticket for this some time ago, but there was no response and it was suggested that I raise it here.

So - in the spirit of a proper suggestion - as well as "please change this for my domain" - how about providing some sort of mechanism for mail domain administrators to request this - a suitable mechanism for catching this would be to include an email to "postmaster@..." - as having this available and accessible is a basic requirement for managing a domain.

Alastair France


moderated Re: Database Permissions #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 06:00 PM, Andy wrote:
Does "Edit Rows" include Delete Rows?
Yes, and in Beta #25674 last year, I asked for those permissions to be controlled separately.  There has been no movement on that so far.

Andy


moderated Invitation expiration #bug

Duane
 

Several people have reported that invitations they send out can't be used.  The expiration date shown in them is up to 6 weeks before the sent date.  There doesn't seem to be any other pattern, some are part of a batch, some are singles (but not sure if more were sent earlier that day.)

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Database Permissions #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Andy wrote:
Stupid question time:
Not stupid at all - it's a very good question.


moderated Re: Database Permissions #suggestion

Andy
 

Stupid question time:  Does "Edit Rows" include Delete Rows?


moderated Re: Database Permissions #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 03:09 PM, Andy wrote:
Shouldn't there be more control over who can do what with Database tables?
Individual permissions on tables can be set using the table properties:





Andy



moderated Re: Database Permissions #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 09:09 AM, Andy wrote:
For example, "Members can view, moderators can create tables" also allows members (non-moderators) to create and delete entries in a table.  Wow!

Why?  Shouldn't moderators have more control over that?

Must be something I'm missing.... (there usually is)
Yes, there's a lot more control.  It occurs when the database is created, https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-databases/creating-a-database-table

Duane


moderated Re: Database Permissions #suggestion

Andy
 

Sorry, but this is a slight diversion from the original question.

Shouldn't there be more control over who can do what with Database tables?  For example, "Members can view, moderators can create tables" also allows members (non-moderators) to create and delete entries in a table.  Wow!

Why?  Shouldn't moderators have more control over that?

Must be something I'm missing.... (there usually is)

Andy

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