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moderated Re: why removed topic button from threads? #misc

Duane
 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 06:05 PM, dave w wrote:
Sometimes one wants to 'go back' to where they were.
The Back button on my browser does that.  I don't think I ever used the site's back button.  The advantage of using the site button/breadcrumb is that it will show you which topic you just looked at.

Duane


moderated Re: Pricing and image attachments #suggestion #misc

Duane
 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:24 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
someone asked what I thought to be a pricing question on GMF and was directed here
Not directly.  They were complaining about the prices and asked if they could be changed.  THAT type of thing does need to be here so that Groups.io management can respond, if they choose.

At the present time, support only responds to owners of paid groups, as noted at the top of the page at https://groups.io/helpcenter

Duane


moderated Re: File listing order changed? Why? #suggestion #fixed

Duane
 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I don't remember whether it's the same on Windows.
It is on Win7.  I'll wait on Type for a day or two.

Duane


moderated Re: why removed topic button from threads? #misc

 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 4:05 PM dave w <groupsmaster@...> wrote:
Not a change I like. Sometimes one wants to 'go back' to where they were.
Forcing ppl to use the 'breadcrum' [Topics] or navigate to 'Messages' menu, shoing inconsistent terminology as separate issue, but the button? I see no reason for the change.

I think you're referring to the Topics button with the left arrow that was displayed when viewing a topic? I removed that when I fixed the breadcrumb for that page. Clicking the Topics link in the breadcrumb does the exact same thing as the old Topics button did. I did this to make the page more consistent with the rest of the site as well as to display more nicely on mobile/the app.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Pricing and image attachments #suggestion #misc

Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@...>
 

It's also good manners to ask questions like this on GMF or Group_Help.  The beta group is intended for #bugs or #suggestions as noted on the Home page and in the Charter (sticky) message.


Thanks, Duane. I will point out that I asked the pricing question here precisely because someone asked what I thought to be a pricing question on GMF and was directed here. I also sent a note to support@groups.io (which I found somewhere on the groups.io website) and heard nothing but crickets. I thus decided to send a note here.

Cheers,

Skip


moderated Re: File listing order changed? Why? #suggestion #fixed

 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 4:35 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
One consequence of this change is that we can no longer even guess whether something is a file or a folder, after doing a Search within files.

The icons next to the names are different. The file type is different. I'm happy to make changes to the display; what else can I do to make files and folders more easily distinguishable?
 
Before, at least the folders were near the top.  Now they are scattered all over.  Ugh.

This is the way it behaves on the Mac. I don't remember whether it's the same on Windows. Sorting by Type will group everything appropriately (once some more bug fixes go out).

I made the change as part of a set of bug fixes I'm still working on for the files search; as part of that I have to reindex everything and that takes about 8 hours. I can change it back, but I'd like to get some more opinions first if possible.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: File listing order changed? Why? #suggestion #fixed

Andy
 

One consequence of this change is that we can no longer even guess whether something is a file or a folder, after doing a Search within files.

Before, at least the folders were near the top.  Now they are scattered all over.  Ugh.

Andy


moderated why removed topic button from threads? #misc

dave w
 

Not a change I like. Sometimes one wants to 'go back' to where they were.
Forcing ppl to use the 'breadcrum' [Topics] or navigate to 'Messages' menu, shoing inconsistent terminology as separate issue, but the button? I see no reason for the change.
Thanks d


moderated Re: File listing order changed? Why? #suggestion #fixed

Duane
 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 05:48 PM, Andy wrote:
Today, it sorts both Folders and Files by name. so some Files now appear mixed in with the Folders, when using the default view.
I'm pretty sure this is a #bug that slipped in, possibly related to work on https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29424 and/or https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/oddity_in_files_some/82785175

Duane


moderated File listing order changed? Why? #suggestion #fixed

Andy
 

Today, the order of files in a Files listing has suddenly changed.

Before, in the default view (Name selected), it showed Folders first, followed by non-folder Files.  Within each group, they were sorted alphabetically.

Today, it sorts both Folders and Files by name. so some Files now appear mixed in with the Folders, when using the default view.

I suggest not tampering with how it displays, unless there's a reason and maybe a heads-up.  Maybe I am just resistant to change; I don't like sudden surprises.  We also arrange our files to try to make it more obvious what people should look at; and sudden changes like that can mess it up.

(As a side-note, I wish that Groups.io had better flexibility to help us arrange those files.  Yahoo!Groups allowed filenames with leading spaces, which forces them to appear first, at the top of the list.  Groups.io doesn't allow that.  Bummer, but we can live with it.)

Andy


moderated Topics filter by dates not working #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

On the Topics view, filtering by any of date ranges listed has stopped working.  It seems OK from the Messages view.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Pricing and image attachments #suggestion #misc

Duane
 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 11:31 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
  • Am I right in calculating the yearly cost of a 4000-member group as ($20 + $0.04 * 3500) * 12 == $1920/year (minimum)? (A concrete example in the pricing docs would be helpful.)
Yes, that would be correct if paid monthly ($1760 paid annually.)

  • If I send an email with an image inserted by URL using a system which supports it, is the image referenced by URL in the group archives or does your system load the image into the particular group's storage?
  •  
If it's a URL, it's loaded from that location.  If it's inline or attached, it's 'local'.  Remote images don't use any of the group's storage limit.

FYI, there's a huge amount of information in the Owners Manual (and Members Manual) that can answer a lot of questions.  It's also good manners to ask questions like this on GMF or Group_Help.  The beta group is intended for #bugs or #suggestions as noted on the Home page and in the Charter (sticky) message.

Duane


moderated Pricing and image attachments #suggestion #misc

Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@...>
 

I've joined GIO as an individual just to check it out. I help with a couple large Google Groups (about 3500 & 4000 members each) and have a couple questions.
  1. Am I right in calculating the yearly cost of a 4000-member group as ($20 + $0.04 * 3500) * 12 == $1920/year (minimum)? (A concrete example in the pricing docs would be helpful.)
  2. If I send an email with an image inserted by URL using a system which supports it, is the image referenced by URL in the group archives or does your system load the image into the particular group's storage? I can see pros and cons to both ways of doing this. See below for such an example.


Thanks,

Skip Montanaro


moderated Files-Search result page editing problem #bug

 

Hi Mark,

When one uses a search term while in Files, the resulting search page has a couple of problems.

First, the Edit/Update (file/folder) functionality brings up an empty dialog when it should have the pertinent details pre-filled, plus the preview/drag-n-drop file window is not there as in a normal file update dialog.  Carrying through with the "update" in that state doesn't update anything (name or description) and instead of the search page it returns you to Files root with no search term entered, I guess it doesn't know how to handle this scenario so it just returns "home".

And second, like Andy, I'm also seeing some folders marked as and displayed as file (type & icon) instead of folder.  

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: "member message" urgently needs logging #suggestion #fixed

Bob Bellizzi
 

Thank you, Mark.
Much Appreciated.
Bob
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moderated Re: Oddity: In Files, some folders show as "Folder" some as "File", after a Search #misc

Andy
 

If my memory is right, Yahoo!Groups used to include a member's name next to folders.  It was the person who created the folder.  I was asking for purposes of consistency with the "old" (Yahoo) way, plus the fact that Groups.io also shows the names for SOME folders after doing a Search.  So that capability is already there, just not applied consistently.

It's a good point about who should actually "own" a folder and what it means.  Personally, I find having a name is more useful than no name at all.  Maybe that's just me.

Andy


moderated Re: Oddity: In Files, some folders show as "Folder" some as "File", after a Search #misc

Duane
 

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 05:06 PM, Andy wrote:
As a side note, I wonder why no person's name is listed when a file's type is "Folder", even though the file system apparently keeps track of who created the folder.  Why not just display their name all the time?
I wouldn't want that.  A folder isn't 'owned' by anyone like a photo album can be.  We have one folder with files uploaded by 17 different people, none of which are the person that created the folder.

Duane


moderated Oddity: In Files, some folders show as "Folder" some as "File", after a Search #misc

Andy
 

When browsing in the Files section, subdirectories (folders) display with a Type of "Folder", and with no person's name in the "Uploaded by" column.  That seems to be the norm here.

However, after doing a Search within the Files section, some subdirectories display with a Type of "File" and have a name in the "Uploaded by" column.  That's weird.  Other subdirectories display with a Type of "Folder", as usual.

When I look at those same subdirectories from the main Files section (not using Search), they all have Type = "Folder" with no person's name, even the ones that showed Type = "File" after doing a Search.

So the question is, why does using a Search cause the displayed Type to change from "Folder" to "File", in some cases?

BTW, clicking on the Search result line brings you to the contents of the subdirectory, even if is listed as a "File" instead of a "Folder".  So I guess groups.io knows it is a folder, even if it won't show it as such.

I'm not sure, but it might be only old subdirectories (imported from Yahoo?) that show Type = "File" after a Search.

As a side note, I wonder why no person's name is listed when a file's type is "Folder", even though the file system apparently keeps track of who created the folder.  Why not just display their name all the time?

One more thing:  After doing a Search, clicking on "Type" does not sort that column.  It changes the order, but it seems to leave everything in semi-random order.  It's a mess.

Andy


moderated Re: "member message" urgently needs logging #suggestion #fixed

 

And it's recording the text of the message, too. Great!
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J

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moderated Re: "member message" urgently needs logging #suggestion #fixed

 

Mark,
Thank you!!!!!!!!
J


On May 12, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:



Hi All,

We now log this.

Cheers,
Mark


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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