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moderated Re: Low quality images #misc

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 05:00 PM, Andy wrote:
David,

It is interesting that the two example files you provide have nearly the same filesize.  But they also include different portions of screen capture, so it's not a fair comparison.  You should also note that the first picture has some text at the top, which is crystal clear and only the stuff below it is washed out -- so maybe the lost quality happened when the file was created (with annotated text), before sending it to a groups.io group.
Your vision is good. But I guess I didn't explain myself clearly.
 
The first image is a picture of the message as it is displayed in KMail's "message preview pane" when I ask KMail to show me the formatted HTML message. The text portions of the message are displayed correctly. But the image following the text is all washed out.

I'm not sure If you have studied the structure of an HTML-encoded email message very closely, or not, Andy. Such a message usually consists of several parts.
  • The message headers
  • The plain text version of the message
  • The message in HTML -- <head>(some stuff)</head><body>(some other stuff)</body>, etc. Not quite a web page, but close.
  • One or more embedded image files. Images may be attached, or, more frequently, defined as a ref="http://..." item on a remote server somewhere.
Here's a screenshot illustrating the structure of today's "Digest" as I received it from the beta group. The message headers are in the first "body part", marked with a folder icon.


KMail lets me select any segment of the message and display only that single piece. That's how I created the second screenshot in my original message. Both screenshots were taken from the same program, KMail. In the first one I told KMail to display both text and and image data. In the second one I just asked to see the image file. My question (probably for Mark) is if there is something unusual about the image files sent out by groups.io, because this doesn't happen with messages I receive from other web sites.
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David Bryant
Canyon Lake, Texas
https://t-vog.groups.io/g/main    https://davidcbryant.net


moderated Re: Low quality images #misc

Andy
 

David,

It is interesting that the two example files you provide have nearly the same filesize.  But they also include different portions of screen capture, so it's not a fair comparison.  You should also note that the first picture has some text at the top, which is crystal clear and only the stuff below it is washed out -- so maybe the lost quality happened when the file was created (with annotated text), before sending it to a groups.io group.

Andy


moderated Low quality images #misc

 

I have reported this as a bug at the KDE bugzilla site (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435776). But since it only happens with messages originating from groups.io, I'm bringing it up here.

I use POP3 and KMail2 to process almost all of my email. I have a problem with image quality on messages that originate at the groups.io web site. Here is an example screenshot.



As you can see, the image is all washed out, and the photographed text is hard to read. But it's a rendering problem, and not an image quality problem per se. Here's a screenshot of the same image file, also rendered by KMail. (I selected just the image attachment for display by KMail to make this screenshot.)



Clearly the bug is somewhere in KMail. But it's only triggered by messages that came from grroups.io, so far as I can tell. Is there anything peculiar about the headers that groups.io inserts in outgoing messages that could possibly account for this? Something else about groups.io messages that might affect image quality? Weird metadata in the image file, or something like that?

Any suggestions will be appreciated, and gratefully accepted.
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David Bryant
Canyon Lake, Texas
https://t-vog.groups.io/g/main    https://davidcbryant.net


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

Bob Morley
 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 03:41 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
The link colour is a feature if your browser rather than Groups.io and based upon whether or not a particular link is in your browser history to determine if it has previously been visited. The difference in the links you listed and the "sparse" nature of a link for an individual message navigated to by the next/previous arrow icons has always been there as far as I recall.  The "sparse" link format is also used in email footers where it says "View/Reply Online" etc.

Andy
Understood that this is a browser action. What I see in both Chrome and MS Edge is that now they are not seeing the full and sparse links as the same page. This was working up until yesterday and is now no longer working for me.

I assume that others are seeing this as well.

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Gerald


moderated Re: Search bar reformatting #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Linda Perry wrote:
I can't find the search bar for message.  I see you pushed it to the breadcrumb row but I don't know where that is either. 
On mobile, you now have to tap the search icon (the little magnifying glass).

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Search bar reformatting #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 05:11 AM, Linda Perry wrote:
I can't find the search bar for message.  I see you pushed it to the breadcrumb row but I don't know where that is either.   Why is the message box not on top front and center like it has been and what is a breadcrumb row?
The search bar has moved to the top right corner of the Groups.io window, just below your name.

The breadcrumb is a series of links across the top of the page which show the route taken to get to your current display and provide quick navigation links to go back to a previous point:



See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadcrumb_navigation

As has been pointed out by J (in #29304), after an initial search, the search box actually moves back to its original location which seems weird as it introduces a lack of consistency.

Andy


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:45 PM, Bob Morley wrote:
Did this change also affect the messages links? When I read messages starting at the Messages  List heading, the links are no longer being marked as being read as I read through one post after another.

In other words, the links still show blue after I have read through several. The problem appears to be that "Next" arrow points to a "sparse" link rather than the full link as seen in the Messages list view.
eg) List view shows: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29318?p=,,,50,0,0,0::created,0,,1,2,0,29318
<,> links use: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29318
The link colour is a feature if your browser rather than Groups.io and based upon whether or not a particular link is in your browser history to determine if it has previously been visited. The difference in the links you listed and the "sparse" nature of a link for an individual message navigated to by the next/previous arrow icons has always been there as far as I recall.  The "sparse" link format is also used in email footers where it says "View/Reply Online" etc.

Andy


moderated Re: Search bar reformatting #update

Linda Perry
 

I can't find the search bar for message.  I see you pushed it to the breadcrumb row but I don't know where that is either.   Why is the message box not on top front and center like it has been and what is a breadcrumb row?


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

Bob Morley
 

Did this change also affect the messages links? When I read messages starting at the Messages  List heading, the links are no longer being marked as being read as I read through one post after another.

In other words, the links still show blue after I have read through several. The problem appears to be that "Next" arrow points to a "sparse" link rather than the full link as seen in the Messages list view.
eg) List view shows: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29318?p=,,,50,0,0,0::created,0,,1,2,0,29318
<,> links use: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29318

>>Gerald


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 06:10 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've fixed the link in the album breadcrumb, and I've made changes based on Andy's suggestions for the Topics/Messages/Message pages.
 
That looks and feels much better - thanks.

Some additional suggestions:

  • From the messages screen, selecting Polls from the Messages/Topics/Expanded/Polls buttons shows the Polls icon in the breadcrumb. Selecting a poll from the list causes the breadcrumb link to change to Messages meaning you cannot use the breadcrumb to get back to the list of Polls.
  • On the Calendar, when displaying event details, the breadcrumb could be expanded to include the event name and include a clickable link to return to the previous calendar view.
  • From the directory, when selecting a member's entry, the breadcrumb could be expanded to include the member name and a clickable link to return to the Directory.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

 

Hi All,

I've fixed the link in the album breadcrumb, and I've made changes based on Andy's suggestions for the Topics/Messages/Message pages.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

 

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 05:36 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Exactly, that was my complaint as well.
Correction, it was not quite my complaint - my complaint (or observation - it doesn't really bother me significantly) os that after doing a search, the results display reverts to the old search box form.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

 

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 12:33 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
if you open a message or topic they switch to the singular form
Exactly, that was my complaint as well.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Breadcrumb row #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 10:03 PM, Judy F. wrote:
When accessing various albums in Photos, you can no longer click on Photos or Album Name at the top to select another album, they are not active. 
I think the use of breadcrumbs overall is inconsistent, especially in the display of messages and topics.  If you select Messages from the left-side menu the breadcrumb display either Messages or Topics (plural) but if you open a message or topic they switch to the singular form (and the icon for Topic actually changes to that used for a message).  It would be helpful to add the subject of the message/topic to the breadcrumb and make the plural form an active link to get back to the previous display.  An example of how this ideally should/could work can be seen by going to the member list and then displaying an individual membership record.

Andy


moderated Re: Keyword filtering #suggestion

 

The content-filtering capability has been suggested before and besides the individual subscription benefit, it would also be beneficial for admin stuff as well, such as catching/notified of certain postings in unmoderated groups and prevent them from posting to the message archive and the like, and it could also add an additional tool in message/individual moderation. I'm sure there are other uses as well.

In the subscription screen, the Follow functionality could be a good place to add this, something similar to the attached.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: A couple of display inconsistencies in ADMIN options #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 10:04 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
There are a couple of display/visual inconsistencies in the Admin menu for Pending Messages and Subgroups.
Looking down the rest of the left-side menu there are actually no icons in the breadcrumb for New Topic and New Poll. The icons for Directory are also mismatched between the left-side menu and breadcrumb.

Andy


moderated A couple of display inconsistencies in ADMIN options #bug

 

Hi Mark,

There are a couple of display/visual inconsistencies in the Admin menu for Pending Messages and Subgroups.  Clicking on Pending Messages displays the wrong icon in the breadcrumb row (in keeping with the rest of the Admin icon motif) and clicking on Subgroups displays the wrong icon and text ("Members") instead, see attached.
 
Cheers,
Christos


moderated Breadcrumb row #bug

Judy F.
 

When accessing various albums in Photos, you can no longer click on Photos or Album Name at the top to select another album, they are not active. 

If you need more information I will be glad to provide it. 

This was such a time saver.  Hopefully this is an easy fix.

Thank you,
Judy F.,
Sew It's For Sale GIO
SW Florida - USA


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Wow, it's Friday AGAIN? :-)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

April 30, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Reformatted the headers of several pages, moving the search bar into the breadcrumb line and improving behavior on mobile/app.

April 29, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Improved the mobile formatting of the edit subscription, group profile, member integration and email delivery history pages. Also converted them to qtpl.

April 28, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Fixed some spacing issues between the desktop and mobile version of the site.
  • APP BUGFIX: Fixed viewing a database row. Discussion

April 27, 2021:

  • APP BUGFIX: Fixed extra padding between the top nav bar and the page content. Discussion
  • APP BUGFIX: Fixed clicking on notifications going to the correct page in the page. Discussion

April 26, 2021:

  • APP BUGFIX: Fixed collapsing the Admin menu as well as collapsing the Account/Cog menu. Rolled out on Android, not yet rolled out for iOS. Discussion

Take care everyone.

Mark

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