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locked Re: Calendar is live

Judy F.
 

Just curious here, will Groups.io be Facebook 2 in disguise or a much better Yahoo Groups?  I ask this because members on a lot of the groups that I belong to feel that Neo is sort of a copy of Google Groups/Facebook.  That’s the big complaint on the groups now, ‘what was wrong with the old Yahoo Groups’ that it had to be changed to look like the other social media.  If all of the various Facebook features are added, why not just join Facebook?

 

I’m sure there will be a lot of nasty comments, but some people don’t join Facebook because they didn’t like it and now it looks as if another Facebook is being created.   

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:18 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Calendar is live

 

Oh, I just came up with another integration idea. Maybe the ability to import specific events from Facebook into the group. Or the ability to import all events from a Facebook group into the Groups.io calendar?


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Oh, I just came up with another integration idea. Maybe the ability to import specific events from Facebook into the group. Or the ability to import all events from a Facebook group into the Groups.io calendar?


locked Re: Collapsing of messages

 

Mark,

There is. The little chain link at the bottom right of each message,
after 'View Original', is a permalink.
D'oh! I had taken it to be some odd decoration of the "View Original" link. Should'a hovered.

I was going to suggest that the message date/time be used as the permalink (I've seen that done before), but having an explicit icon is better. Instead I'll suggest that perhaps it belongs up on the top bar with the other information-about-the-message items (sender & date) rather than in the bottom row with actions (Group Reply, Delete Message and View Original).

-- Shal


locked Re: Unmoderated groups - alerting the list-owner about problem posts

Judy F.
 

Mark, is this something that could be turned off?  As I said before, all groups are not created equal and don’t work where a like, dislike or whatever is needed.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:47 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Unmoderated groups - alerting the list-owner about problem posts

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

What about a "report comment" or "Flag as inappropriate" button for unmoderated groups? The owner would be notified so he or she could review the post.

 

Interesting. I hadn't thought of such a thing. I'd think that the moderators would be seeing every message as is, so wouldn't need something like that. Am I wrong? Would this be useful?

 

Thanks,

Mark


locked Re: Invite flow

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

When I just checked the status of an invitation, in Outstanding Invitations, I saw one with the status of accepted and one with the status of Sent. That's okay. But the reason for both is Success.

What function does the Reason column have? What else could be there other than Success? There already is a Status column.


Status can be Sending/Sent/Deferred/Accepted/Failed. Really, Reason only applies to Deferred and Failed, which means that we either had a temporary problem emailing the invite, or had a permanent problem emailing the invite. The problem will be displayed in the Reason column, and is the response we've gotten from the invitee's email server. Most often, you'll get a Failed because the email address you tried to invite does not exist. Different email services have different responses for when that happens, but they'll be displayed under Reason.

It can get a bit technical, but I know that it can be frustrating when invites don't go out and you don't know why, and I wanted to provide all the information that we have.

Perhaps I need to reformat that page. For most of the time, Reason will be Success, which I admit doesn't make a lot of sense.


Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Unmoderated groups - alerting the list-owner about problem posts

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

What about a "report comment" or "Flag as inappropriate" button for unmoderated groups? The owner would be notified so he or she could review the post.


Interesting. I hadn't thought of such a thing. I'd think that the moderators would be seeing every message as is, so wouldn't need something like that. Am I wrong? Would this be useful?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I wonder if there's a way to bring the facile nature of "Like" to email-centric dinosaurs like myself.

Perhaps as an email command. Reply to the message but add +like to group's address to 'tick' the Like counter of the original message.

What about instead of having to edit an email address when you reply, just reply with the one word:

like

and that automatically gets converted into a like? I'd also add '+1' as another way of indicating liking.


Mark


locked Re: Tech details

 

Thanks!

Mark

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Cherrill <cdjamieson@...> wrote:
I too was totally impressed when I read the blog.  I was unable to leave a comment there so I will comment here.
This was very interesting to me to read that you created yahoo groups; and all the other computer work you have done.
I hope others read your blog too.

Cherrill
Canada



On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:12 AM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, as you can imagine, I didn’t know half of what you were talking about, but when I read where Yahoo Groups started out as your creation, I was totally impressed.  Wow! 
 
Thanks for sharing the information.
 
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA
 
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:15 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Tech details
 
fyi, if anyone is interested in some of the technical details behind groups.io, I've started posting about it over on my blog. http://wingedpig.com
 
Mark




locked Re: Collapsing of messages

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Chris Leong wrote:

> Mark, If you look at your message here:
> https://groups.io/thread/7557?m=0&o=0, your entire message was
> collapsed.

Looks like Mark's text got wrapped up with the quote above it.

aka:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/263

Bah. That stuff is hard (for me). I will fix it in the morning. Thanks for pointing it out.

 
Speaking of which, there needs to be a permalink or some other means to get the URL of a specific message when in a threaded view. I had to go the long way about to get that one.

There is. The little chain link at the bottom right of each message, after 'View Original', is a permalink.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

One common element to the failures is that yesterday's and today's were both repeating events. The one that worked was not.

Correlation does not imply causation, but it is gesturing furtively...

Yep, that makes total sense and in this case correlation followed causation. It was a problem with reminders for repeating events. They were not created in the database correctly. I've deleted the bad reminders. Unfortunately, that means for you to get reminders on those events, the best thing to do is to delete your repeating events and recreate them. Sorry for the hassle. Sometimes I'm amazed I'm allowed near the code base. Probably because I'm the only one here.....

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Invite flow

Frances
 

When I just checked the status of an invitation, in Outstanding Invitations, I saw one with the status of accepted and one with the status of Sent. That's okay. But the reason for both is Success.

What function does the Reason column have? What else could be there other than Success? There already is a Status column.


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

Frances,

As an older user of Facebook, it drives me crazy when I "like" something
that is tragic.
Hence the occasional calls for a "dislike" button. Or agree/disagree, which are not the same dimension (one may agree with something one dislikes).

In a far distant place I was heard to make a suggestion to radically expand on that idea:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GroupManagersForum/conversations/messages/54979

Mostly tongue-in-cheek.

-- Shal


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Mark,

Reminders do not get sent to people with No Mail subscriptions, or for
subscriptions that are pending or banned. Could that be the case for
shalstest?
Nope. I've got two email addresses in the group that are on Individual.

If not, can you run another test?
I set two up last night, and the results are mixed: I got a reminder notice for one but not the other.

One common element to the failures is that yesterday's and today's were both repeating events. The one that worked was not.

Correlation does not imply causation, but it is gesturing furtively...
http://xkcd.com/552/

-- Shal


locked Re: Collapsing of messages

 

Chris Leong wrote:

Mark, If you look at your message here:
https://groups.io/thread/7557?m=0&o=0, your entire message was
collapsed.
Looks like Mark's text got wrapped up with the quote above it.

aka:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/263

Speaking of which, there needs to be a permalink or some other means to get the URL of a specific message when in a threaded view. I had to go the long way about to get that one.

-- Shal


locked Re: Tech details

Cherrill <cdjamieson@...>
 

I too was totally impressed when I read the blog.  I was unable to leave a comment there so I will comment here.
This was very interesting to me to read that you created yahoo groups; and all the other computer work you have done.
I hope others read your blog too.

Cherrill
Canada



On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:12 AM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, as you can imagine, I didn’t know half of what you were talking about, but when I read where Yahoo Groups started out as your creation, I was totally impressed.  Wow! 
 
Thanks for sharing the information.
 
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA
 
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:15 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Tech details
 
fyi, if anyone is interested in some of the technical details behind groups.io, I've started posting about it over on my blog. http://wingedpig.com
 
Mark



locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Ok, I found a problem with reminders which has been fixed. It only had to do with repeating events; the reminders were being created incorrectly.

If you have a repeating event with reminders, you will want to delete that repeating event and then recreate it (along with the reminders). That will recreate the reminders. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Thanks,
Mark


On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Didn't receive the reminder I'd set for my 8pm (PST) event in shalstest group. It had two reminders set, 5 minutes and 1 day. I created the event less than one day in advance so I didn't really expect to get the 1 day reminder, but should have received the 5 minute reminder.

I just tested it myself and it worked for me. Unfortunately, the logs rolled before I could look at what happened at 7:55pm last night. I've changed the logs so that I'll have more information.

Reminders do not get sent to people with No Mail subscriptions, or for subscriptions that are pending or banned. Could that be the case for shalstest? If not, can you run another test? I'll have better logs this time to try to diagnose the problem.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Frances
 

Love the term "read" instead of "like". Or would it be too twee to have "thanks for sharing"?


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Bruce Pappas <bruce@...>
 

I tend to use the FB "Like" button as I read this, want you to know I read it, and thanks for posting. Doesn't necessary mean I "like" its content. But I'm sure we all use it differently. I frankly would prefer "Read".
-BruceP

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On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

As an older user of Facebook, it drives me crazy when I "like" something that is tragic. I "like" the report of the hurricane damage, etc. Wish there were some other term! However it is so well established that I guess it is the one that has to be used. 

Basically when I "like" something in Facebook, I am saying I agree with the sentiment or your opinion, or I read the linked article and it was spot on, or hey, I loved this picture of your dog.



locked Unmoderated groups - alerting the list-owner about problem posts

Frances
 

What about a "report comment" or "Flag as inappropriate" button for unmoderated groups? The owner would be notified so he or she could review the post.


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Frances
 

As an older user of Facebook, it drives me crazy when I "like" something that is tragic. I "like" the report of the hurricane damage, etc. Wish there were some other term! However it is so well established that I guess it is the one that has to be used. 

Basically when I "like" something in Facebook, I am saying I agree with the sentiment or your opinion, or I read the linked article and it was spot on, or hey, I loved this picture of your dog.