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moderated Re: Sending member message to multiple members fails #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 01:03 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
You can select n number of members from the member page, and for "action" select "send message," but in composing the message, the top displays "send to 0 members" and the message does not get sent to the selected members.
It works perfectly for me and I've just done another test to prove it. The count of the the number of members selected was correct, messages were sent (according to the Email Delivery History for each member) and messages were received by each member.

Andy


moderated Sending member message to multiple members fails #bug

 

You can select n number of members from the member page, and for "action" select "send message," but in composing the message, the top displays "send to 0 members" and the message does not get sent to the selected members.
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

Another alternative suggestion for the solution (but a few more lines of code more than the original suggestion), is to leave the button strip alone as it works now, and instead introduce a new button next to the "Email" button, shown for Admins only, see attached.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

Noel Leaver
 

I feel it would be better if the default for new groups was to disallow editing. Most group owners when they understand the issues seem to prefer to disable it.

Noel


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:24 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
I don't
want to see it as the only choice.
Nobody is suggesting that. It would be a third option, the other two being to blanket allow editing or totally disallow it.
 
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:23 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Definitely; all I'm suggesting is to add a shortcut from the profile to the edit-membership page
As I said before, Duane's suggestion  of adding that link to the member page is identical to yours in functionality, but yours LOOKS like the mod has editing capability over the profile, which is not what it really does nor should it.
 
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moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

Mike . . .

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:58:41 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Hanauer via groups.io"
<MGHanauer=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I have never allowed editing. I think it is, in general, a bad idea.
It changes history rather than amending it (via replys to correct) and leaving a trail, and produces different messages via email and those who later look at the web site.
I'm sure some groups might benefit from what's being discussed, but I
find it irritating (and so do others) when someone posts basically the
same thing 9 times. I try to minimize intrusions to my inbox at work
and try to keep my inbox under 12 messages. Delete, deal with it, mark
it for action later the same day, or categorize it into a separate
folder for later.

For my home email, I filter extensively so my inbox can be managed.
But I don't really want to see many posts almost exactly the same, so
after reading this discussion, I went in and changed the setting in
all the groups I manage to no editing. Someone can reply to their own
post and add whatever they need to, or correct what needs corrected,
but this should minimize having many almost identical posts.

Some online forums allow you to edit your posts, like those on phpBB
or VBulletin forums. I think some have a time limit, while others
don't.

Just because I don't see the need for a limited time editing feature
doesn't mean someone else might not want to see such a feature, so I'm
certainly not against this if Mark wants to do the coding. I don't
want to see it as the only choice.

Donald


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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 07:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
And I don't think mods should be able to edit a member's profile. Just their member page.
Definitely; all I'm suggesting is to add a shortcut from the profile to the edit-membership page.  Since the "Membership/GroupProfile+MemberIntegrations+EmailDeliveryHistory" button strip and code is already there, with one extra IF it will provide that shortcut for the admins.
 
Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:56 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
J, I think you misunderstood;
Maybe so. I have a hard time with hypothetical screen shots (really hate them), but if I'm interpreting correctly, including not just the screen shot but the text of your OP, you would make it look like mods have editing power over a member's profile. And I don't think mods should be able to edit a member's profile. Just their member page.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

>>> That would be similar in function to Christos's original suggestion, although not in format, and is better because it doesn't imply editing of the profile itself.

J, I think you misunderstood; read the OP message again, the profile editing button behavior/functionality would not change, it will stay as is (only shown for the account owner); only the button strip behavior would be tweaked, so it also shows if the users is an admin, see attached.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:23 PM, David Bryant wrote:
This feature is already available. Click on the hamburger icon, then on the eyeball. This will display your formatted message in a popup preview window.
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That would be a great feature, if it were working. But it's not. My test group strips fonts and colors and the preview does not. I just tested it. Maybe should file a bug report.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 05:20 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
To my mind, it's in the wrong place. If "Mute this topic" is in the top buttons, other things an owner or moderator needs to do should be next to it.
The problem I can see with that is the button could bounce between top and bottom, depending on whether you're in Message or Topic view.  Having it below each message allows you some control based on the person that posted it.

Duane


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:28 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
 I was anticipating this kind of tsk, tsk response. It is very different reviewing a posted draft from an unposted one, for a number of reasons. Many sites provide this feature. In groups.io, one reason you may not have thought of is the ability to strip things like HTML. If I post a message with some parts quoted from elsewhere, with differing text fonts, etc, for example, I want to see how it will look in posted form.

 
This feature is already available. Click on the hamburger icon, then on the eyeball. This will display your formatted message in a popup preview window.
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

Both are available via the More menu. Perhaps a little inconvenient, but I have to stop short of "terrible PITA."
I have to admit, I never 'fell over' the "More" menu at the bottom. To my mind, it's in the wrong place. If "Mute this topic" is in the top buttons, other things an owner or moderator needs to do should be next to it. Putting it next to "Like" downplays it's importance.

I run into this most when I'm on the individual message page. One simple option for me, on the individual member page, would be to move the "More" button to the top of the message page next to "Mute this topic". Then when I need to do something related to regulating the topic or the sender would all be in the same place.

In thread view, could there be an option window for owners that only appears when they click on the member name to select either member history of the member page?

Just a thought.

Dano


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

Paul Kanevsky
 


My suggestion was to provide the limited editing window as another option at the discretion of the group owner, so you won’t lose the existing two options.

My group has thousands of users and many use the archives for searching for information, suggestions and previously discussed ideas. Having correct information is more important here than real time communications.

Regards,

   -Paul


On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:58 PM, Mike Hanauer wrote:

I have never allowed editing. I think it is, in general, a bad idea.
 
It changes history rather than amending it (via replys to correct) and leaving a trail, and produces different messages via email and those who later look at the web site. Also, immediate emails are often important in groups I moderate.
 
Like it is is how I like it.
 
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"Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling."
    ~Mike
 
 
On Sunday, April 25, 2021, 04:52:53 PM EDT, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
 
 
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 01:49 PM, Duane wrote:
It wouldn't do anything for those using email.
It's true that it would be most useful for web posts. But it would certainly be possible to do via email as well, if truly desired (which, granted, it probably is not).
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

Mike Hanauer
 

I have never allowed editing. I think it is, in general, a bad idea.

It changes history rather than amending it (via replys to correct) and leaving a trail, and produces different messages via email and those who later look at the web site. Also, immediate emails are often important in groups I moderate.

Like it is is how I like it.

Consider Better, not Bigger. So many advantages. Just ask. USA adds a Chicago to our overpop each year.
"Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling."

    ~Mike


On Sunday, April 25, 2021, 04:52:53 PM EDT, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:


On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 01:49 PM, Duane wrote:
It wouldn't do anything for those using email.
It's true that it would be most useful for web posts. But it would certainly be possible to do via email as well, if truly desired (which, granted, it probably is not).
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 01:49 PM, Duane wrote:
It wouldn't do anything for those using email.
It's true that it would be most useful for web posts. But it would certainly be possible to do via email as well, if truly desired (which, granted, it probably is not).
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 12:58 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
allow members to "preview" their posts
That would only solve half the problem, at best.  It wouldn't do anything for those using email.

Duane


moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

 

 I was anticipating this kind of tsk, tsk response. It is very different reviewing a posted draft from an unposted one, for a number of reasons. Many sites provide this feature. In groups.io, one reason you may not have thought of is the ability to strip things like HTML. If I post a message with some parts quoted from elsewhere, with differing text fonts, etc, for example, I want to see how it will look in posted form. 

So please spare us the lecture about self-discipline.


On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 06:58 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
And here's a third idea, which I like most of all: allow members to "preview" their posts, <snip> This gives people a chance to read their message in full and do any editing necessary,
I would hope that people read their posts before sending as a matter of routine. OK; it can be easy to overlook a spelling mistake but reviewing what has been written is almost invariably time well spent. There is nothing stopping members from doing that now!

I suppose it all boils down to members being self - disciplined, which shouldn't be too much to expect.

On second thoughts perhaps it is too much... :(

Chris

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moderated Re: Option to expire message editing capability after a short time #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 06:58 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
And here's a third idea, which I like most of all: allow members to "preview" their posts, <snip> This gives people a chance to read their message in full and do any editing necessary,
I would hope that people read their posts before sending as a matter of routine. OK; it can be easy to overlook a spelling mistake but reviewing what has been written is almost invariably time well spent. There is nothing stopping members from doing that now!

I suppose it all boils down to members being self - disciplined, which shouldn't be too much to expect.

On second thoughts perhaps it is too much... :(

Chris

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