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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:50 AM, Duane wrote:
have a "Member Page" link visible on the profile page for those that have permission
That would be similar in function to Christos's original suggestion, although not in format, and is better because it doesn't imply editing of the profile itself.
 
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:50 AM, Duane wrote:
e the least disruptive option would be to have a "Member Page" link visible on the profile page for those that have permission
I could get behind that. It would be a huge improvement on the current situation.
 
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:22 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I have to stop short of "terrible PITA."
I call it that. And I call it that in large part because you are constantly faced with the dead-end, misleading link of the display name.
 
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 01:07 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
There really, really should be a fast snd efficient way to get not just to the member page but to all the member’s posts (a related current PITA).
I believe the least disruptive option would be to have a "Member Page" link visible on the profile page for those that have permission, maybe just below the "All Messages By This Member" link.  This would be consistent with the options seen in the More menu, so apparently the coding is already in use.  Yes, it's another click, but I don't think Mark will ever be able to have all the options in every location that someone might be in when they decide to access another function.  Even if he could, it would be terribly cluttered.

Duane


moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 02:07 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
There really, really should be a fast snd efficient way to get not just to the member page but to all the member’s posts (a related current PITA).
Both are available via the More menu. Perhaps a little inconvenient, but I have to stop short of "terrible PITA."

At this point I'm unclear on what the suggestion actually is.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

Exactly. It’s intuitive to click on the display name snd go to the membership page. Not to the dead-end of a (useless) profile snd then hand to go back and start over.

The reason I reject Christos’s solution to this problem - snd it IS an ongoing problem IMHO - is that mods should not be able to edit a member’s *profile*.

There really, really should be a fast snd efficient way to get not just to the member page but to all the member’s posts (a related current PITA). After six years of running a group here, these two hassles continue to hound snd confound me in nearly a daily basis. They should be fixed. Since the fix does not appear simple, at least that I can see, I believe a redesign is in order.

On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:37 PM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

I'm *pretty certain* I support a change of this kind. My hesitance is because of my being unsure of the definitions of the specific terms being used. I'll explain by example.

If someone posts a message and I want to change something related to this person's membership, such as moderation restrictions, it's silly to have to go through all these steps to be able to put a member on moderation or even take them off moderation. It seems like it would be intuitive to be able to click on the person's name and go to their membership page to change their abilities or to change their display name. When I'm searching for a person, it's not to find out what they've posted in the past. And for a group that may not have a membership list visible to members it's even more useless. I use message search for that.

Dano.




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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

I'm *pretty certain* I support a change of this kind. My hesitance is because of my being unsure of the definitions of the specific terms being used. I'll explain by example.

If someone posts a message and I want to change something related to this person's membership, such as moderation restrictions, it's silly to have to go through all these steps to be able to put a member on moderation or even take them off moderation. It seems like it would be intuitive to be able to click on the person's name and go to their membership page to change their abilities or to change their display name. When I'm searching for a person, it's not to find out what they've posted in the past. And for a group that may not have a membership list visible to members it's even more useless. I use message search for that.

Dano.


moderated Re: formatting an indented line issue [no can do] #bug

KWKloeber
 

David

It's not a #bug per se

** (apparently the snafu is that) MCE let's you designate what a <CR> enters.  /div/, /p, /blockquote, or /pre.  
(again apparently) Mark chose /div.   “His site, his choice.”

-ken

**Caveat: I have no clue about coding, this is just from my observations/troubleshooting. 


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:59 PM, David Bryant wrote:
Well, I usually don't use indenting if I'm not creating a list. But I do see what's going on. I'll use some text you entered, KW, to demonstrate.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.

2) this line was indented line.

3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)

4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

The problem occurs if one starts indenting from the top of this set of lines, and there are no intervening empty lines.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.
2) this line was indented line.
3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)
4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

What I observe here is that all three lines (2, 3, & 4) end up being formatted as a single <div> in the HTML coding. Since indentation is created by a style= attribute in the <div> tag, lines 2, 3, and 4 are "stuck" to each other, and move left and right as a single block.

This is another example. I started with the same four lines, but this time I indented line 4, then line 3, then line 2. I ended up with three separate <div> tags, and each line can now be moved independently of the others.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.
2) this line was indented line.
3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)
4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

So this definitely is a bug in the HTML editor. Maybe Mark ought to upgrade "TinyMCE". Oh, yeah. I played around with the "Shift + Enter" trick Chris Jones mentioned. That makes each line a separate paragraph (<p> and </p> tags). The editor handles those just fine, adding the "style=" attribute to the existing <p> tags. But when I key in line, CR, line, CR, etc., the editor just puts in <br /> tags to separate lines, and then KW's problem arises -- you can't associate "style=" with a <br /> tag. So new tags get added, incorrectly.

KW says the editor works correctly at the TinyMCE web site, probably because the <br /> tags aren't used in the updated version (just a guess).
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

Duane, That’s exactly the problem and why I hesitated to make the suggestion. I frankly think some sort of redesign is in order. It’s now too difficult for mods to access the member page, snd the profile really just consists of an annoying (I’d like  to say infuriating) obstacle.


On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 06:19 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It would be orders of magnitude more convenient if clicking on that link took a mod to the user's member page instead of the (generally, or at least relatively, useless) profile page.
But then it wouldn't work for regular members unless the group is set to allow them to see the Member List.  I wouldn't want it to work differently depending on the "clicker's" status (consistency is good.)

Duane

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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 06:19 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It would be orders of magnitude more convenient if clicking on that link took a mod to the user's member page instead of the (generally, or at least relatively, useless) profile page.
But then it wouldn't work for regular members unless the group is set to allow them to see the Member List.  I wouldn't want it to work differently depending on the "clicker's" status (consistency is good.)

Duane


moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 02:46 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
right now, if you click on someone's linked name in a message (email or online) hoping to go to their membership page so you can set them on temporary moderation (for example), the link takes you instead to their profile page
I agree that this fact is a terrible PITA and has me cursing time and time again. But I don't agree with the solution proposed here. It would be orders of magnitude more convenient if clicking on that link took a mod to the user's member page instead of the (generally, or at least relatively, useless) profile page.
 
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moderated Re: Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:46 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
if you click on someone's linked name in a message (email or online) hoping to go to their membership page
If you're an admin/mod and reading online, you can just go to More under the message and select Member Page (which is what I usually do.)

Duane


moderated Enable membership-editing capability in group-profile page for ADMINS as well #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

A: Right now, only the account owner sees the membership-editing button strip on the profile page (plus the "Edit Group Profile" button).

B: A different user, even if an admin, does not see those options.



While the "Edit Group Profile" button itself should of course continue functioning like that, I would suggest that the membership-editing button strip*** also gets enabled if the user is an admin (with the appropriate mod permissions), *** the "Membership" button at least albeit the "Email Delivery History" button would also be handy.


That would be very helpful work- & speed-wise because right now, if you click on someone's linked name in a message (email or online) hoping to go to their membership page so you can set them on temporary moderation (for example), the link takes you instead to their profile page.  To change their membership you now have to go to Admin, Members, and search for them, it takes a bit.  If that membership strip was also enabled for Admins as well in the profile page, it would be a single click to edit their membership, and it makes the job easier and faster.

Thanks and Cheers,
Christos

 


moderated Re: Include reason pending message needs approval, a la the log entry #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 07:29:28 -0700, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com> wrote:

There's no reason the notification can't contain the same helpful info as the log entry contains, namely, the reason for the moderation. There are good reasons for wanting that info and the request shouldn't have to be justified. It's helpful, period. Just insert the short reason, done. If it's good enough for the log, it's good enough for the email notification. Saves mods from having to go INTO the log to see why the message needed approval.
This seems like a good idea. If it's simple to implement and not
complicated, it might make life simpler for group managers.

Donald


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moderated Re: Include reason pending message needs approval, a la the log entry #suggestion

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 01:58 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
I started raising this about three weeks ago on [GMF]
Interesting GMF thread, which I just read through, but which went completely off topic. There's no reason the notification can't contain the same helpful info as the log entry contains, namely, the reason for the moderation. There are good reasons for wanting that info and the request shouldn't have to be justified. It's helpful, period. Just insert the short reason, done. If it's good enough for the log, it's good enough for the email notification. Saves mods from having to go INTO the log to see why the message needed approval.
 
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moderated Re: Message to Attendees Gets Blocked #bug

Charlie Behnken
 

Interesting but others are not all caps. That was the most recent 

Charlie


moderated Re: Include reason pending message needs approval, a la the log entry #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:32:21 +0100, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

It would be helpful if the pending message notfication included the reason the message needs approval, similar to how the log includes that info ("because the topic is moderated," "because the member is moderated," etc.)

Yes please! I started raising this about three weeks ago on [GMF]


but for various reasons have not yet made the #suggestion here. It would be a real help - especially to know if it's a [NMM] or [NM] cause - in the email notice as I sometimes reply on my phone to approve messages.

Malcolm.

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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

April 23, 2021:

  • NEW: When viewing a member, we now include how that member became a member of the group, at the top of the page, after Joined via.... The options are: web, email, invite, direct add, signup form.
  • CHANGE: The /unbounce link emailed to people when their account is bouncing will no longer log them in if they are not already logged in. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Make the button behavior on the Past Members page be consistent with the button behavior on the Members page. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Align search button on Past Members page. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Fixed the HTML in the Group Directory page and Past Members Page. Discussion

April 22, 2021:

  • NEW: Released first test version of the Android App. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Logout wasn't working on the Apps. Discussion
  • CHANGE: The Discard button on the New Post page now returns to the group home page, and displays a banner saying the draft has been discarded. This is in part to fix an issue with the Discard button not working in the app.

April 20, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Unsubscribe because of FBL now reported as via system. Also, added commas before the via in the activity log. Discussion

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Include reason pending message needs approval, a la the log entry #suggestion

 

It would be helpful if the pending message notfication included the reason the message needs approval, similar to how the log includes that info ("because the topic is moderated," "because the member is moderated," etc.)
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moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

I am loving that comma. It makes all the difference.
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