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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

April 23, 2021:

  • NEW: When viewing a member, we now include how that member became a member of the group, at the top of the page, after Joined via.... The options are: web, email, invite, direct add, signup form.
  • CHANGE: The /unbounce link emailed to people when their account is bouncing will no longer log them in if they are not already logged in. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Make the button behavior on the Past Members page be consistent with the button behavior on the Members page. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Align search button on Past Members page. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Fixed the HTML in the Group Directory page and Past Members Page. Discussion

April 22, 2021:

  • NEW: Released first test version of the Android App. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Logout wasn't working on the Apps. Discussion
  • CHANGE: The Discard button on the New Post page now returns to the group home page, and displays a banner saying the draft has been discarded. This is in part to fix an issue with the Discard button not working in the app.

April 20, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Unsubscribe because of FBL now reported as via system. Also, added commas before the via in the activity log. Discussion

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Include reason pending message needs approval, a la the log entry #suggestion

 

It would be helpful if the pending message notfication included the reason the message needs approval, similar to how the log includes that info ("because the topic is moderated," "because the member is moderated," etc.)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Was removed via email" versus "reported ... via email and was removed" #suggestion

 

I am loving that comma. It makes all the difference.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Removing Answers from Multiple Choice Poll Changes Answers #bug

Joanie
 

Bruce,

Thanks for the heads up with google forms. I'll give that a try if the poll doesn't work out.

I just wanted to report that I was able to edit my RSVP poll for my next event to add two new activities and marked one activity as cancelled. The votes remained unchanged and the two new entries were added without incident. So just don't delete any selections and you'll be OK. My folks are pretty groups.io savvy so they are able to use the poll function without too much trouble.

Joanie


moderated Re: Expire invitations after 14 days #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 04:30 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The historical data on that page is now gone.
, but the entries will still be in the Activity Log from when they were sent.

Duane


moderated Re: Expire invitations after 14 days #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 2:27 PM Steven Knowles <emailus@...> wrote:
Mark, so far an aspect of Groups.io I've liked is the fact that it doesn't seem to move the goal posts on existing members.

Unfortunately I've discovered that the goal posts do appear to have been moved on the subject of historical invitees. One of the nice features, as was with Yahoo! Groups, was the audit trail of past invitations. I've just gone to check when an individual of a group I manage was sent an invitation, and was puzzled that there seemed to be just one past invitation that was in the list. I spent a while trying to figure which options I needed to adjust in order to see historical invitations, to no avail. I came to this group to try figure out what the problem is. And now despondent upon discovering that it's all changed, and some really useful data from my perspective has seemingly been erased.


The historical data on that page is now gone. But I am not deleting invites going forward.

On the group member page, I have added the origin for the member, after `Joined via...` at the top of the page, so you can see how that person ended up in the group.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Expire invitations after 14 days #suggestion

Steven Knowles
 

Mark, so far an aspect of Groups.io I've liked is the fact that it doesn't seem to move the goal posts on existing members.

Unfortunately I've discovered that the goal posts do appear to have been moved on the subject of historical invitees. One of the nice features, as was with Yahoo! Groups, was the audit trail of past invitations. I've just gone to check when an individual of a group I manage was sent an invitation, and was puzzled that there seemed to be just one past invitation that was in the list. I spent a while trying to figure which options I needed to adjust in order to see historical invitations, to no avail. I came to this group to try figure out what the problem is. And now despondent upon discovering that it's all changed, and some really useful data from my perspective has seemingly been erased.

Does historical data about invitees still exist, or has it gone forever?


moderated Re: Logged in as someone else #bug

Mike Hanauer
 

Hats of to you, Mark.

Amazing detective work!

Consider Better, not Bigger. So many advantages. Just ask. USA adds a Chicago to our overpop each year.
"Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling."

    ~Mike


On Friday, April 23, 2021, 04:21:15 PM EDT, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


This is strange. Here's what happened. You both belong to a list. That person's account started bouncing yesterday. We sent them an email with a link to unbounce their account. They sent a message to your common group, with the subject line 'Welcome to Groups.io', that contained the unbounce link. Note that the email we sent them with the link has the subject line 'Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing'. You must have either clicked on the link or perhaps run some anti-virus software that followed the link automatically, causing you to be logged in as them.

I have changed the behavior of that link so that it no longer logs you in as the person being unbounced.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Logged in as someone else #bug

 

This is strange. Here's what happened. You both belong to a list. That person's account started bouncing yesterday. We sent them an email with a link to unbounce their account. They sent a message to your common group, with the subject line 'Welcome to Groups.io', that contained the unbounce link. Note that the email we sent them with the link has the subject line 'Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing'. You must have either clicked on the link or perhaps run some anti-virus software that followed the link automatically, causing you to be logged in as them.

I have changed the behavior of that link so that it no longer logs you in as the person being unbounced.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Logged in as someone else #bug

Mike Hanauer
 

I don't believe so, Mark. It was not someone I even know, although I knew the name/email from his posting in a group I am a member of so I perhaps have read his emails. Weird. 

Consider Better, not Bigger. So many advantages. Just ask. USA adds a Chicago to our overpop each year.
"Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling."

    ~Mike


On Friday, April 23, 2021, 03:52:22 PM EDT, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 12:49 PM Mike Hanauer via groups.io <MGHanauer=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I'm still having difficulty believing this could happen.

This morning I brought up groups.io and noticed that I was logged in as someone else - someone who is in a group that I am a member of.
I removed the groups.io cookie, and things went back to normal.

Can you remember what you were doing yesterday? Did someone forward to you their login link email? Or an invite email?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Logged in as someone else #bug

 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 12:49 PM Mike Hanauer via groups.io <MGHanauer=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I'm still having difficulty believing this could happen.

This morning I brought up groups.io and noticed that I was logged in as someone else - someone who is in a group that I am a member of.
I removed the groups.io cookie, and things went back to normal.

Can you remember what you were doing yesterday? Did someone forward to you their login link email? Or an invite email?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Logged in as someone else #bug

Mike Hanauer
 

I'm still having difficulty believing this could happen.

This morning I brought up groups.io and noticed that I was logged in as someone else - someone who is in a group that I am a member of.
I removed the groups.io cookie, and things went back to normal.

Nobody has been on my computer but me.  I think a groups.io cookie got deposited or altered on my computer with someone else's identity.

I'm on Chrome on Windows 10. Really, I was not dreaming.


moderated Re: Message to Attendees Gets Blocked #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 03:54 PM, Charlie Behnken wrote:
I sent this but not sure you got it, so I will post it here.  Nothing that the public can't see.  I only found one person who got it and they use cmpmail.

the fact that it is all in CAPS can trigger spam filters.

Andy


moderated Re: Message to Attendees Gets Blocked #bug

Charlie Behnken
 

I sent this but not sure you got it, so I will post it here.  Nothing that the public can't see.  I only found one person who got it and they use cmpmail.

Charlie

Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 8:55 PM
From: "
To: "
Subject: [HunterdonHikingClub] Trail Maintenance at Musconetcong Gorge

THE TRAIL MAINTENANCE ON THE MUSCONETCONG IS ON!!!

HOPE TO SEE ALL OF YOU BY 10 AM IN THE MORNING!!

RON GOOD   

_._,_._,_


Please use REPLY, not REPLY ALL, when responding to an email so responses only go to sender,
or optionally click on REPLY TO SENDER link at the bottom of the email.


Groups.io Links: 


moderated Re: formatting an indented line issue [no can do] #bug

 

Well, I usually don't use indenting if I'm not creating a list. But I do see what's going on. I'll use some text you entered, KW, to demonstrate.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.

2) this line was indented line.

3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)

4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

The problem occurs if one starts indenting from the top of this set of lines, and there are no intervening empty lines.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.
2) this line was indented line.
3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)
4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

What I observe here is that all three lines (2, 3, & 4) end up being formatted as a single <div> in the HTML coding. Since indentation is created by a style= attribute in the <div> tag, lines 2, 3, and 4 are "stuck" to each other, and move left and right as a single block.

This is another example. I started with the same four lines, but this time I indented line 4, then line 3, then line 2. I ended up with three separate <div> tags, and each line can now be moved independently of the others.

1) this is a test of the emergency broadcast system.
2) this line was indented line.
3) this line wants to be non-indented, but cannot be formatted as such (no matter what, it hangs onto the pp above it.)
4) this line wants to be indented twice, but cannot be formatted separately from the two lines above (no matter what, it too, hangs onto the pp above it.)

So this definitely is a bug in the HTML editor. Maybe Mark ought to upgrade "TinyMCE". Oh, yeah. I played around with the "Shift + Enter" trick Chris Jones mentioned. That makes each line a separate paragraph (<p> and </p> tags). The editor handles those just fine, adding the "style=" attribute to the existing <p> tags. But when I key in line, CR, line, CR, etc., the editor just puts in <br /> tags to separate lines, and then KW's problem arises -- you can't associate "style=" with a <br /> tag. So new tags get added, incorrectly.

KW says the editor works correctly at the TinyMCE web site, probably because the <br /> tags aren't used in the updated version (just a guess).
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David Bryant
Canyon Lake, Texas
https://t-vog.groups.io/g/main    https://davidcbryant.net


moderated Re: formatting an indented line issue [no can do] #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:01 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
The issue, maybe described more plain-speakly, is that once a line is indented, any additional line, added by entering a <CR> [i.e., <br />] can never be outdented or indented independently from the original indent.
Or more plain-speakly, added lines can never be "unglued from" the indented paragraph.  
A little
test that
I have carried
out suggests
otherwise,
as demonstrated
here.

Instead of <Ret> use <Shift+Ret>

Chris


moderated Re: formatting an indented line issue [no can do] #bug

KWKloeber
 

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:40 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Groups.io uses the TinyMCE html editor ( https://www.tiny.cloud/tinymce/ ). 

If a bug exists, such info can be passed along to the vendor, but I doubt Mark will be fixing it himself.

Hey Bruce

I know less than zero about this, but that said - looking at TinyMCE, after indenting a line and adding one or more below it (via a  <CR>, or <CR><CR>, or so on), they are all "independent lines" (i.e., any one of them can be further indented, outdented, etc., without regard to what is above it.)   They are not glued together.

Knowing less than zero, I do see that a <CR> in TinyMCE enters a <p>, not a <br>.  That would appear (to me) to be the difference.


moderated Re: formatting an indented line issue [no can do] #bug

KWKloeber
 

David, see below


I ran a little test, and it seems to work OK with a bulleted list.

I didn't say it happened with a list, bulleted or numbered or otherwise.  I said it happens when indenting a line.


One more observation. There are four buttons to control ordered and unordered lists. Were you using the style selection buttons (first row on the editing toolbar) or just the Indent / outdent buttons on the second row?

As I said, indented and indented twice, not creating a list.
I don't recall mentioning ordering a list.  I can't even order from a menu online, no less a list.

Also, you mentioned <p> and </p> tags
 
I actually don't recall mentioning <p> and </p> tags.  Where was that?

The issue, maybe described more plain-speakly, is that once a line is indented, any additional line, added by entering a <CR> [i.e., <br />] can never be outdented or indented independently from the original indent.
Or more plain-speakly, added lines can never be "unglued from" the indented paragraph.  

It seems that a line added in, should be able to be padded/unpadded independently from a line that was originally indented above it.
Or, i.e. (as WORD does) a <CR><CR> should enter a <p />, not just a <br /><br />.  


moderated Re: Unable to set web notifications in Firefox mobile #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 03:51 PM, Derek Milliner wrote:
I went in to the 'Settings/Notifications' on the S7 and found that notifications from Chrome were disabled under 'APP NOTIFICATIONS'. Enable that, and hey presto - get Groups.io notifications in both FF and Chrome.
I'd already checked that before reporting the issue and app notifications are enabled for Firefox and Chrome. I even tried disabling and then re-enabling them but that didn't help either.

Andy


moderated Re: Removing Answers from Multiple Choice Poll Changes Answers #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 01:25 PM, Joanie wrote:
I would like to be able to edit the multiple choice poll after it starts so that I can add more items or remove items.
Joanie -- The GIO polling function is fairly rudimentary and you're definitely working outside of its design parameters.

Also keep in mind that people do have to log in to respond. Many of my members struggle with this, which means I can't really count on the results being very meaningful.

For applications such as this, we've had better luck with Google Forms.

Regards,
Bruce

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