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moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:24 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
After a reload, the pending box is no longer checked, but I still get only the pending members list when I click Members on the left. I don't think that used to be the case.
In my experience, that has always been the case. If I had a pending membership application, only the pending memberships showed up when I clicked "Members" on the left, and I had to select "Members" from the drop down list (blue "Members" button) at tthe top left of the pending members list to view the whole list. It wasn't 100% consistent, but most of the time that's how it worked. I could also select "Pending", "Bouncing", "Moderators", and "Past". Most of those show up as filtering options now, except for "Past", which has its own button.
 
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Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Duane
 

Found another little bug this morning.  Selecting "Bouncing" also automatically selects NC, but the NC members aren't included on the results page.  If you then go back into the filter box and don't change anything (untick NC), but do click Apply, it then includes NC results.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Search box for Activity log won't clear #bug

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:49 PM, Andy wrote:
This is an annoyance, but not a huge problem.
It's been that way for as long as I can remember, so I wouldn't call it a bug, more a suggestion for improvement.

Duane


moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

Andy
 

Sorry if I misspoke by posting this as a separate Topic.  I didn't know it was already being discussed in another topic.

Andy (not the one from U.K.)


moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

 

Wait, don’t answer that


Shal,

Am I completely losing it?
On Apr 8, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

After a reload, the pending box is no longer checked, but I still get
only the pending members list when I click Members on the left. I
don't think that used to be the case.
Yes, if there is one or more Pending member it did/does. Much to the confusion of many a new group owner/mod.

Shal





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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

 

Shal,

It did that with the drop down. But it didn’t do that if I clicked Members on the left. Seriously? In six years I hadn’t noticed that? When I wanted to see the full members list, I had to go through two steps? Am I completely losing it?

On Apr 8, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

After a reload, the pending box is no longer checked, but I still get
only the pending members list when I click Members on the left. I
don't think that used to be the case.
Yes, if there is one or more Pending member it did/does. Much to the confusion of many a new group owner/mod.

Shal




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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

 

J,

After a reload, the pending box is no longer checked, but I still get
only the pending members list when I click Members on the left. I
don't think that used to be the case.
Yes, if there is one or more Pending member it did/does. Much to the confusion of many a new group owner/mod.

Shal


moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

 

After a reload, the pending box is no longer checked, but I still get only the pending members list when I click Members on the left. I don't think that used to be the case.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Strange new "Members" selections #bug

 

It's weirder than that. Here's the sequence I just experienced:
1. I select "bouncing" via the light-blue filter and get back no members (so far so good, because I have no bouncing members)
2. I then click on "Members" on the left and get back, instead of the full members list, my one pending member
3. I click the dark-blue (former dropdown) Members on the top and got the full members list
4.But if I go out and then back into my group, I am forever plagued with getting *first* just the pending members list, and then having to check the dark-blue box to get the full members list again. Clicking "Members" on the left doesn't do it any more. And I see that the filter has (seemingly forever) changed itself from "bouncing" to "pending members"

My eyes are glazing over from this because I've tried it numerous times and I'm not writing down the results each time - just trying to remember them. But the bottom line seems to be that I can no longer easily get to my full members list, because this new filter has set itself to pending.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Strange new "Members" selections #bug

Andy
 

Maybe a bug, but I'm not sure.  Read on.

I see there is a brand new way for Moderators to view their Members lists under Admin > Members.  Instead of clicking the dark blue "Members" button at the top, now there is a light blue filter button next to it with a drop-down menu and several more choices that can be selected.  OK.

However, if I select "Bouncing" and click "Apply", Groups.io changes my selection to be both "Bouncing" and "Not Confirmed".  It appears there is no way to select "Bouncing" members only.

Was that intentional?  Or a bug?

Andy


moderated Search box for Activity log won't clear #bug

Andy
 

This is an annoyance, but not a huge problem.

Group Moderator actions:
1.  Click Admin > Activity to display the Activity Log.
2.  Type something into the Search box and click the Search button.
3.  Now clear the Search box, and click the Search button again, which should restore the full un-filtered Activity Log.
4.  Surprise -> the previous contents of the Search box re-appear!  And I'm seeing the filtered Activity Log.
5.  The same thing happens if anything is selected from the list of Activity Actions.  The Search box always reverts to what was there previously.  Except ...
6.  Except if my search string had an asterisk, which gets replaced by %2A when it reverts to the old text.  Now it is actually searching for "2A" and ignores the "%".  (I guess "%" is not an allowed search character?)

The work-around is to start over:  click "Activity" in the left menu again.  So it is an annoyance but not a show-stopper.

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Niman H
 

I'm not seeing that... I am on a Windows desktop. 
The only way I have found to see the amount of members is check the box bottom left corner. But what you are describing is easier. I just don't see it - ?
Thanks
Sally

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 04:34 PM, Niman H wrote:
Can it show somewhere how many members are in the category/filter that you chose?
That would show up as the number of members listed on the results page in the upper right corner after you apply the filter.

Duane


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 07:44 PM, coprosowner wrote:
One small bug maybe.  I selected 4 members who needed a bounce probe.  It shows the number 24 (lower left).
Checking on this, I also saw some strange numbers.  Page shows 30, select all box shows 52.  When I first started the test, selecting the first 8 gave a 13 at the bottom, but when I tried again later, it was correct.  Definitely some gremlins running loose.

Duane


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Andy
 

Duane,

FYI, that is exactly what I see, now, too.  I can't figure out how to attach anything, in the group with attachments not allowed.  Maybe it's already something that got changed?

But now I am wondering now, how does someone attempt to send a message with an attachment, from the web interface?  In the Activity log, I have recent entries like this:

    <person> attempted to send message "<subject line>" with attachments via web

There are three of those within the last six hours.  (I am puzzled why it is possible for that to happen, because I can't get an attachment into a message at the web interface.  There must be a trick that I'm missing.  But I digress.)

The real problem I am trying to address, is how to prevent those messages from being deleted, in such a way that the sender can't fix it and try again.  Somehow, people are still able to compose a message with an attachment, from the web interface, and then their message gets rejected, and Groups.io gives them no way to back up and remove the attachment before it's too late.

But thank you, Duane, for your help.

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

coprosowner
 

One small bug maybe.  I selected 4 members who needed a bounce probe.  It shows the number 24 (lower left).  24 was also the number that came up when the window asks Do you want to send the Bounce Probe.
I flunked algebra so I am of no help.

Thanks,

Peter


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 07:41 PM, Andy wrote:
When "sending" the message from the Groups.io web interface (which is the only thing I'm talking about), the message is simply rejected.  It's not mailed by Groups.io to the sender.
I just did some testing.  If the group is set to Bounce or Strip for attachments, there's no way to add one when composing online - there's no paperclip - so it can't be rejected.  You must be seeing something else.

Duane


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Andy
 

Duane wrote, "Bounce should bounce the message back to the posters email address with the explanation and include the original message as an attachment."

That is not what happens.  When "sending" the message from the Groups.io web interface (which is the only thing I'm talking about), the message is simply rejected.  It's not mailed by Groups.io to the sender.  (That is to say, it did not do that when I experimented with it.)

I am not looking for a way to change the group's Attachments setting.  I'm also not talking about messages sent to a group via email.  I just want a way for Groups.io to not throw out the message (sent from the web interface), so that the sender's work isn't lost.

Andy


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 07:09 PM, Andy wrote:
When someone composes a message in the Groups.io web interface and tries to send it to a group that doesn't allow attachments, the message is rejected.
There are 4 options that can be set for attachments in the Settings > Message Formatting panel - Allow, Bounce, Strip, Moderate.  What happens depends on what the group owner has chosen.  Allow would post the message (or add it to the pending queue if the member is moderated).  Bounce should bounce the message back to the posters email address with the explanation and include the original message as an attachment.  Strip is the same as Allow, but the attachment would be removed.  Moderate would send any message with an attachment to the queue.  I don't see any way it could be gone forever.

Duane


moderated Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Andy
 

When someone composes a message in the Groups.io web interface and tries to send it to a group that doesn't allow attachments, the message is rejected.  It's gone for good.  All their work writing that message is lost and gone forever.  So I am suggesting two things:

(1)  Can Groups.io warn the user when they try to attach something to a message they are writing, in groups that don't allow attachments?

Or,

(2)  When you click "Send" and Groups.io rejects a message because of the attachment, can it leave the edited message in Drafts, so that the sender can go back and fix it before re-submitting it?

Thanks,

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 04:34 PM, Niman H wrote:
Can it show somewhere how many members are in the category/filter that you chose?
That would show up as the number of members listed on the results page in the upper right corner after you apply the filter.

Duane

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