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moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Andy
 

Duane,

FYI, that is exactly what I see, now, too.  I can't figure out how to attach anything, in the group with attachments not allowed.  Maybe it's already something that got changed?

But now I am wondering now, how does someone attempt to send a message with an attachment, from the web interface?  In the Activity log, I have recent entries like this:

    <person> attempted to send message "<subject line>" with attachments via web

There are three of those within the last six hours.  (I am puzzled why it is possible for that to happen, because I can't get an attachment into a message at the web interface.  There must be a trick that I'm missing.  But I digress.)

The real problem I am trying to address, is how to prevent those messages from being deleted, in such a way that the sender can't fix it and try again.  Somehow, people are still able to compose a message with an attachment, from the web interface, and then their message gets rejected, and Groups.io gives them no way to back up and remove the attachment before it's too late.

But thank you, Duane, for your help.

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

coprosowner
 

One small bug maybe.  I selected 4 members who needed a bounce probe.  It shows the number 24 (lower left).  24 was also the number that came up when the window asks Do you want to send the Bounce Probe.
I flunked algebra so I am of no help.

Thanks,

Peter


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 07:41 PM, Andy wrote:
When "sending" the message from the Groups.io web interface (which is the only thing I'm talking about), the message is simply rejected.  It's not mailed by Groups.io to the sender.
I just did some testing.  If the group is set to Bounce or Strip for attachments, there's no way to add one when composing online - there's no paperclip - so it can't be rejected.  You must be seeing something else.

Duane


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Andy
 

Duane wrote, "Bounce should bounce the message back to the posters email address with the explanation and include the original message as an attachment."

That is not what happens.  When "sending" the message from the Groups.io web interface (which is the only thing I'm talking about), the message is simply rejected.  It's not mailed by Groups.io to the sender.  (That is to say, it did not do that when I experimented with it.)

I am not looking for a way to change the group's Attachments setting.  I'm also not talking about messages sent to a group via email.  I just want a way for Groups.io to not throw out the message (sent from the web interface), so that the sender's work isn't lost.

Andy


moderated Re: Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 07:09 PM, Andy wrote:
When someone composes a message in the Groups.io web interface and tries to send it to a group that doesn't allow attachments, the message is rejected.
There are 4 options that can be set for attachments in the Settings > Message Formatting panel - Allow, Bounce, Strip, Moderate.  What happens depends on what the group owner has chosen.  Allow would post the message (or add it to the pending queue if the member is moderated).  Bounce should bounce the message back to the posters email address with the explanation and include the original message as an attachment.  Strip is the same as Allow, but the attachment would be removed.  Moderate would send any message with an attachment to the queue.  I don't see any way it could be gone forever.

Duane


moderated Messages with Attachments rejected and lost for good #suggestion

Andy
 

When someone composes a message in the Groups.io web interface and tries to send it to a group that doesn't allow attachments, the message is rejected.  It's gone for good.  All their work writing that message is lost and gone forever.  So I am suggesting two things:

(1)  Can Groups.io warn the user when they try to attach something to a message they are writing, in groups that don't allow attachments?

Or,

(2)  When you click "Send" and Groups.io rejects a message because of the attachment, can it leave the edited message in Drafts, so that the sender can go back and fix it before re-submitting it?

Thanks,

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 04:34 PM, Niman H wrote:
Can it show somewhere how many members are in the category/filter that you chose?
That would show up as the number of members listed on the results page in the upper right corner after you apply the filter.

Duane


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Niman H
 

Thank you for adding the NC option!
One more thing for the wishlist :)
Can it show somewhere how many members are in the category/filter that you chose? 

Sally


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 


Please do not remove the not entirely redundant Members button; it is the only one - click method of cancelling the filtering. IMHO it might be better if it was renamed Clear All Filters (a better description of what it now does) but as is usual others might not agree...

But wouldn't it be strange if the Members button was missing?

I also agree with Chris and Mark, leave it there as it does tie things together context-wise, the list/sreen master reset button.
 
I'd also second renaming it as Chris' suggested, but I can also see the value of keeping the "Members" text on it, so my compromise suggestion would be to rename it to "All Members", you click it it and it shows you all members, implicitly meaning (reset list/screen to) no filters.
 

Or am I being too hobgobliny?

I don't think so; I do like a lot that you added the badge graphics in the filters, so as long as you don't let the hobgoblinging get to your head and start being mischievious, go at it, other areas like sub Adv settings and posting privileges can also use them. :)

Cheers,
Christos


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 09:40 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
On a mobile phone there is no filter option (in portrait or landscape) even though there seems to be space to display it.
After playing around with my browser window widths, it seems that the page styling will display the filter button only if the width is sufficient to display the resulting menu (which is, frankly, pretty wide). At least that's the way it seems to be working on this end. If the alternative is to display a button that "does nothing," this behavior may be preferable.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Wrong time zone? #bug

Andy
 

I replied in a separate message (different subject line) that the fault was in my computer.  Somehow, Windows had changed its time zone last night to 2 hours different from Standard time.

Sorry about the inconvenience.  Not a Groups.io problem.

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 05:36 PM, I wrote:
However, when I tried it the NC filter isn't picking out any NCs but is letting the full list through.
Well it is certainly working now, so thanks very much indeed Mark. Very helpful that. :)

On other points... thanks for removing the Cancel feature. I had managed to work out what it did and more particularly didn't do, and in all honesty I think we are better off without it.

And...

Please do not remove the not entirely redundant Members button; it is the only one - click method of cancelling the filtering. IMHO it might be better if it was renamed Clear All Filters (a better description of what it now does) but as is usual others might not agree...

Chris


moderated Re: call it "newsletter" instead of "announcement-only-group" #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

I think this can be best dealt with in the group description, monthly notice, and/or welcome notice.

Pete


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

coprosowner
 

One small note. 
Should the "Apply" row have some sort of indicator (color-blue/red) that gives you a general idea that you need to click on it to activate the filter?

Maybe it's just me but I kept clicking in and out but didn't understand the GUI immediately.

Thanks,


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Peter Keenan


moderated Re: call it "newsletter" instead of "announcement-only-group" #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 05:31 PM, ro-esp wrote:
"announcement-only" implies that every member can announce things
Given that different members can be restricted from posting to different degrees on a non-Annoucement group, calling it an Announcement group doesn't mean every member can post.

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:43 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

I'm a bit confused. Do you mean that the filters should be preserved if you navigate away and then come back to the member list? I'm not seeing that happen.

Go to the Members page. Bring up the Filter, check something, then hit Apply. You'll then see the filtered Members list. Then, bring up the Filter again, check something else, close the dialog without hitting Apply. Then bring up the Filter again; your last change shouldn't be there, because you didn't hit Apply.

Hope this helps.
Mark
 


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I had a better idea.
And now I feel like I need to buy a Ford...  (telling my age ;>)

Duane


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 06:14 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If you close the Filter dropdown, all the checkboxes reset to what they were when you opened the page. So they should always be correct when you open the filter.
I'm a bit confused. Do you mean that the filters should be preserved if you navigate away and then come back to the member list? I'm not seeing that happen.

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 2:08 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
 
What rôle does the Cancel button fill? I haven't been able to track down what it actually does.

If you check some filter boxes, then click Cancel instead of Apply, those clicked buttons are removed. I'm not wed to keeping that button or the functionality.


I had a better idea. I've removed the Cancel button. If you close the Filter dropdown, all the checkboxes reset to what they were when you opened the page. So they should always be correct when you open the filter.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:53 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I'm loving it.

I reflexively now have a craving for a Big Mac!


 > That's there for consistency for how the rest of the site works.
 > Clicking it will clear all filters, as it just goes back to the
 > members page as a fresh visit.

As does clicking the Members button in the navigation pane on the left.
Have I missed a subtle difference between the two?

In other words, I think I agree with Chris' original assessment that the
Members button above the list is now redundant. Directory, Photos,
Files, and Wiki do not have such a button above their lists.

But wouldn't it be strange if the Members button was missing? Say you go to the Members page, then click one of the other buttons at the top, lie File Sync/Service Sync/Bulk Remove/Download. You'd go to that page and the buttons would shift around (ignoring for a second that the Filter button disappears when you go to the other pages). The Members button would magically reappear on the other pages. Or am I being too hobgobliny?

Thanks,
Mark

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