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moderated Re: 18 hour latency on sending/receiving Message Approval notice for moderated sender, is this normal? #bug

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 03:41 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
If you paste the message headers from a delayed notification into this tool, it may help you identify where delays occurred:
https://toolbox.googleapps.com/apps/messageheader/analyzeheader

Or you could just read all the "Received" header lines. The holdup is at rhe server that waited 18 hours before passing the message alomg.
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Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 09:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know your thoughts or if you see something amiss (it was a fairly substantial change to the code). I wasn't sure where to place the Filter button, for one thing. 
On a mobile phone there is no filter option (in portrait or landscape) even though there seems to be space to display it. All that is displayed is the Members, Past and Search buttons.  Can this be included on the mobile format too?

Thanks
Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Louie S
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 01:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I just pushed a new Filter pop-up on the Members screen. I also replaced the 'Members' dropdown with a normal button, as it's now redundant.
 
Very useful addition.

Thanks,

-louie


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 01:53 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
That's there for consistency for how the rest of the site works.
Clicking it will clear all filters, as it just goes back to the
members page as a fresh visit.
As does clicking the Members button in the navigation pane on the left. Have I missed a subtle difference between the two?
The left-side menu bar does not appear on mobile...you would be forced to open the hamburger menu every time.

In other words, I think I agree with Chris' original assessment that the Members button above the list is now redundant. Directory, Photos, Files, and Wiki do not have such a button above their lists.
Those pages [currently] have no filtering function that needs to be reset.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 06:53 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
I'm loving it.

Cant wait to see the idea applied to more lists.
Me too!  Filters on the Past member's list would be good.

Andy


moderated Re: 18 hour latency on sending/receiving Message Approval notice for moderated sender, is this normal? #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 05:13 AM, Yusuf Leo Schuman wrote:
The person responsible for moderation received the Message Approval email 18 hours later at April 7, 2021 at 5:22:16 AM PDT.

Is 18 hour latency for Message Approval emails to be sent expected behavior?
As Shal said, it's not expected behaviour and my notifications tend to come through almost immediately too.

If you paste the message headers from a delayed notification into this tool, it may help you identify where delays occurred:
https://toolbox.googleapps.com/apps/messageheader/analyzeheader

Andy


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 06:53 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
As does clicking the Members button in the navigation pane on the left. Have I missed a subtle difference between the two?
(My underlininig)

I think so; the Members button at the top is the quickest way of clearing any filter selection and reverting to the full list. (On that basis I'd leave it where it is.) The Members tab on navigation pane only goes to the full list if there are no Pending members; if there are then it defaults to them.

One category that seems to be missing is the "NC" members, and IIRC this has been specifically requested. I think it would be useful to have it so that they can be more easily nudged to confirm or weeded out as appropriate.

Chris


moderated Re: 18 hour latency on sending/receiving Message Approval notice for moderated sender, is this normal? #bug

 

Yusuf,

The person responsible for moderation received the Message Approval
email 18 hours later at April 7, 2021 at 5:22:16 AM PDT.

Is 18 hour latency for Message Approval emails to be sent expected
behavior?
No. I generally receive them within moments.

Any insight available?
Most likely greylisting by the email service used by the responsible person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting_(email)

The responsible person will need to take this up with their email service to see if there is a way to ensure prompt delivery of messages from Groups.io.

Shal


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

Mark,

Please let me know your thoughts or if you see something amiss (it was
a fairly substantial change to the code).
I'm loving it.

Cant wait to see the idea applied to more lists.

I wasn't sure where to place the Filter button, for one thing.
Maybe to the right of the Search box, as they are two sides of the same coin.

[tangent]
And then on the Messages/Topics lists drag the pair of them up where Search is here (and on Directory, Photos, Files, and Wiki), for consistency. Messages & Topics could use being "modernized" to this style, with search as an entry box rather than a button to a pop-up, and the search tools functions integrated with date under the filter function.
[/tangent]

That's there for consistency for how the rest of the site works.
Clicking it will clear all filters, as it just goes back to the
members page as a fresh visit.
As does clicking the Members button in the navigation pane on the left. Have I missed a subtle difference between the two?

In other words, I think I agree with Chris' original assessment that the Members button above the list is now redundant. Directory, Photos, Files, and Wiki do not have such a button above their lists.

Shal


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

May thanks for this, it's very useful and a timesaver!

One suggestion about the three Message Selection rows:

Message Selection: Following Only
Message Selection: Following Only With First Message Also
Message Selection: Auto Follow Replies
 
You could remove the "Following Only" out option, as it doesn't reflect the rules and will never match anything, and change "Auto Follow Replies" to "Following Only With Auto Follow Replies" to match the rules.  
Or maybe instead of taking it out, change it to "Message Selection: All", as that filter is missing; we can get just the FO users shown, but we cannot get just the All/non-FO users shown.
 
Cheers,
Christos


moderated 18 hour latency on sending/receiving Message Approval notice for moderated sender, is this normal? #bug

Yusuf Leo Schuman
 

A message was sent at Tue, Apr 6, 10:42 AM PDT by a person whose emails are being moderated for review. The person responsible for moderation received the Message Approval email 18 hours later at April 7, 2021 at 5:22:16 AM PDT.

Is 18 hour latency for Message Approval emails to be sent expected behavior? If so, this is ... awkward ... for the person responsible for approval.

Any insight available?

Thank you.


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:18 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Mark -- Quick question:  Is there any way to AND some of these? At least in combination with the search box?

This should be fixed now. As you discovered, it worked if you filtered first, then searched. Now you can search, then filter. It's a floor wax and dessert topping!

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 06:18 PM, I wrote:
If I first search the members list for yahoo.com and subsequently apply the "No Email" filter to those search hits, I don't get all yahoo accounts with No Email set. I get everyone on No Email, as if I hadn't done the search. This is odd behavior for a filter.
Ah. If I apply the filter and then do the search, I get the results I want.

Still, not what I expected.

Thanks,
Bruce


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 04:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I just pushed a new Filter pop-up on the Members screen. I also replaced the 'Members' dropdown with a normal button, as it's now redundant.
Mark -- Quick question:  Is there any way to AND some of these? At least in combination with the search box?

If I first search the members list for yahoo.com and subsequently apply the "No Email" filter to those search hits, I don't get all yahoo accounts with No Email set. I get everyone on No Email, as if I hadn't done the search. This is odd behavior for a filter.

Thanks,
Bruce


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 04:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I just pushed a new Filter pop-up on the Members screen. I also replaced the 'Members' dropdown with a normal button, as it's now redundant.
I like the new filter feature.

Poor Nina. :-)

Bruce


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:47 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please try it now.
Success! Many thanks.:)

Chris


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 2:38 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

The filter system does not find them, and in fact the filter selection of Moderation Status; Override; not moderated is not retained when Apply is clicked. The display defaults to the full membership list, and revisiting the filter selection shows the above setting not checked.

Please try it now.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 09:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know your thoughts or if you see something amiss
Mark; the group I co - own has a Group Moderation setting of All messages are moderated, with a small number of members set to Override; not moderated.

The filter system does not find them, and in fact the filter selection of Moderation Status; Override; not moderated is not retained when Apply is clicked. The display defaults to the full membership list, and revisiting the filter selection shows the above setting not checked.

Chris


moderated Large Database (4K rows) Navigation Issue #suggestion

Jim Wilson
 

I would greatly appreciate a way to either:

  1. (easiest?) add an additional navigation bar at the top of the page to alleviate the need to scroll to the bottom of each page; or
  2. (more difficult) enter "id:[row id]" in the search box similar to the way "posterid:[id]" can be used in messages to locate particular user posts; or
  3. (programming challenge) create a reactive ajax method where typing alphanumerals will jump to the first row of the currently ordered column, including the ID column.

Ok, "c." is probably pushing it but, hey, I gotta try.

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Jim


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:09 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
That's very good! Can I suggest that the now - redundant Members button be removed; <snip>
That's there for consistency for how the rest of the site works. Clicking it will clear all filters, as it just goes back to the members page as a fresh visit.
Aha! Then it fulfills my suggestion of a Clear All Filters function, which is excellent. The earlier statement of it being redundant is not strictly true!

 
 
 
What rôle does the Cancel button fill? I haven't been able to track down what it actually does.
If you check some filter boxes, then click Cancel instead of Apply, those clicked buttons are removed. I'm not wed to keeping that button or the functionality.
 
Ah; I did wonder that; I tried before asking that but it didn't work for me, hence the question. Having tried it again I found I am getting odd results that are not wholly predictable.

Chris

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