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moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

David Kirkby
 

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 17:01, Ken Schweizer <kensch888@...> wrote:
My concern is that some of our users will look at the latest post on a subject and simply move on to the next if they don't see the image that was being discussed rather than going back through the thread to see the image.

I don’t really see how that’s any different from people reading any post where someone has trimmed off text that was previously written. It’s generally considered good practice to reply to a post, quoting what one is replying to, and not of other things. 

Looking at your post, nobody would make any sense of it unless they had read the original text. I fail to see how images are any different. 


As a dabbler in software, I would also believe that the code to keep the image attached to posts going out in e-mail or on the site while removing them from the stored post would be rather difficult or require a dual database, so I thought I'd throw the option out for

I don’t see the need for two databases, as I would prefer if the server didn’t email out the images. There is 

a) No need to store the attachments on the server multiple time
b) No need to email the same attachments multiple times. 

There was a problem in one of my groups where someone attached many MB of images, then modified his post a dozen or so times. Some people were screaming at the volume of mail that they were downloading. This was one of the reasons I have disabled editing of posts on my groups. 

Again thanks for replying,
Ken S

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moderated Re: Updating the event description or Note To Send Attendees for a repeating RSVP event wipes out all RSVP responses! #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 05:10 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm trying to duplicate this but I can't. I create a repeating event, with rsvp. Then I rsvp to one of the events. Then I change the Note To Send Attendees text and update all events. That works for me. Am I missing a step?
It doesn't sound like you're missing a step but I can repeat this quite easily. From my Owner account I've just created RSVP Test Event15 on my test@tvam.groups.io subgroup; responded Will Attend to the last two occurrences from my member account and then updated the event from my Owner account (updating all in the series) and now there is no responder information.  The Activity Log shows that my member account responded and I received the RSVP confirmation emails too.

Regards
Andy



moderated Re: Updating the event description or Note To Send Attendees for a repeating RSVP event wipes out all RSVP responses! #bug

 

Andy,

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:02 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

I had a repeating RSVP event defined and when I updated the Note To Send Attendees text and saved the change for all in the series it deleted all the responder details for each occurrence!  A separate test has shown it does this if you update the event description too.  I'm not sure what happened as the first event in the series was also removed from the calendar but there's no Activity Log entry to say it had been deleted.  Updating the text for a single occurrence RSVP event does not delete the responder information.


I'm sorry about this. I'm trying to duplicate this but I can't. I create a repeating event, with rsvp. Then I rsvp to one of the events. Then I change the Note To Send Attendees text and update all events. That works for me. Am I missing a step?

As for recreating rsvp details, I don't have any suggestions off hand. I will keep thinking about it.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Shal,

You quoted me, so I'll answer. Though I'm not sure you're addressing the
implementation that I was discussing with ken (K).

> If this feature is implemented it should have an "owner's switch" to
> enable or disable it for their group.

Why would you want to turn it off?
My concern is that some of our users will look at the latest post on a subject and simply move on to the next if they don't see the image that was being discussed rather than going back through the thread to see the image.

As a dabbler in software, I would also believe that the code to keep the image attached to posts going out in e-mail or on the site while removing them from the stored post would be rather difficult or require a dual database, so I thought I'd throw the option out for consideration. If you see a way around these situations then disregard my suggestion. Maybe I'm just trying to keep the responsibility in the hands of the owner.

Again thanks for replying,
Ken S

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager


moderated Updating the event description or Note To Send Attendees for a repeating RSVP event wipes out all RSVP responses! #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Mark,

I had a repeating RSVP event defined and when I updated the Note To Send Attendees text and saved the change for all in the series it deleted all the responder details for each occurrence!  A separate test has shown it does this if you update the event description too.  I'm not sure what happened as the first event in the series was also removed from the calendar but there's no Activity Log entry to say it had been deleted.  Updating the text for a single occurrence RSVP event does not delete the responder information.

I now have a real mess to sort out, trying to work out from the Activity Log which member responded to which event in the series and who ended up on a waitlist.  Any suggestions on how I can recreate the responses?

Andy


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>> As such, what I suggested differs in that significant respect from what Donald (the OP) suggested; but it solves the same problem (excess storage charges due to duplicate images), removing the need for moderator busy-work.
<<<


Shal-
Realizing of course that this would negatively impact the business model bottom line I’m not all that hopeful!

Ken K


moderated Re: photos, emailed and albums #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

TY Andy I was not aware of that subgroup. Will do. 

Ken K

Sent from my phone


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

David Kirkby
 

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 00:50, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
Sometimes a member posts a picture (or file attachment) with some text
in the message and others reply to that message and don't delete the
picture, so it gets posted several times, each time taking up
additional space in picture storage.

I'd like to see something that would strip out pictures after the
initial one was posted as long as it had the same exact file size. The
same might be possible for file attachments.
 
I'd like to see that too.  I guess an md5 checksum of the file would be the best, as that ensures the file is indeed identical or different. If not, your suggestion of the same size would be pretty damm good. Even if someone modifies a jpeg, the chances of their saved version being the same size is small. For a bitmap (bmp) though, which I think is rarely used, a modification of the same file would result in the same size, but a different checksum.

Dave


moderated links to photos inconsistent #bug #suggestion

Jen Weber
 

I have noticed that when viewing a photo in an album, right clicking the photo and selecting "Copy Link Address" gives an incorrect address.
It seems to be sending someone to a position 1 photo earlier in the album.

For example, when I'm on this page (copying the url at the top of the browser:)
https://temarichallenge.groups.io/g/Main/photo/3792/2?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

and I right click "copy link", this is what is pasted:
https://temarichallenge.groups.io/g/Main/photo/3792/1?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

Sending me to an earlier photo. 


I want to take this opportunity to once again BEG for coding the photo albums to generate a stable URL that does not refer to a position in the album, but rather to a unique identifier of the photo.  I know this has been brought up before, but it is so frustrating that as soon as an album's contents are added to or changed, all of the messages with links to anything in that album are all pointing to the wrong things.  

My 900 person group (and other groups)  rely heavily upon photos and discussions of them.  One of the main objectives is to keep accurate archives of our ideas and conversations, and the fact that these links "expire" is really devaluing our archived messages and information.  

Please, can I do anything to help make this rework of picture ID'ing happen?  I'm desperate, as are many of my colleagues. Photos and discussions are why our groups exist, and this not working for us is just not ok.

Thanks for your help.

Jen Weber


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

 

Ken S,

You quoted me, so I'll answer. Though I'm not sure you're addressing the implementation that I was discussing with ken (K).

If this feature is implemented it should have an "owner's switch" to
enable or disable it for their group.
Why would you want to turn it off?

What I suggested makes no changes to how messages are handled by email, nor any changes in how they are presented on the web site. It changes only a detail of how attachments and images (inline or attached) are stored. And in particular it potentially reduces the group's storage charges, which seems only a benefit.

As such, what I suggested differs in that significant respect from what Donald (the OP) suggested; but it solves the same problem (excess storage charges due to duplicate images), removing the need for moderator busy-work.

Shal


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

Ken Schweizer
 

If this feature is implemented it should have an "owner's switch" to enable or disable it for their group.

JMO,
Ken S

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shal
Farley
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:54 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate
attachments in replies

ken,

> IMO, ideal would be for the quoted message in the reply to
> automatically display the original image, rather than post a new copy
> or a broken photo icon.

That would be feasible in the web view of the messages. The reply would
have the URL of the original image placed in its HTML <img> element,
replacing whatever src reference it had on arrival.

When the reply is sent out to members by email it may be best to leave
the quoted image as it was received, to avoid the various ills
associated with sending it as an https access.

> I have no clue how coding would accomplish that, but we're using code
> to drill holes in rocks on Mars right now. That seems a bit more
> difficult.

Different types of difficulties, but yeah.

Were Groups.io to store a hash value with each image it ought to be
pretty straightforward to see if any image file incoming in a reply
matches an image file already stored in this group (or topic).

Shal




Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I strongly agree that the ability to select members should provide more control and ability for the moderators & owners.
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Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 03:59 PM, Louie S wrote:

One example is that I want to send a notice to just members that have email of "Special". There is no easy way to do this especially in a large group.
Yes, having an option to email members with specific delivery types would be helpful (in the same way you can email different groups of Poll or RSVP Event responders).

Andy


moderated Re: photos, emailed and albums #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 09:36 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
Could the members help manual be updated
The best place to post suggestions about the manuals is the beta docs subgroup.

Andy


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

 

ken,

IMO, ideal would be for the quoted message in the reply to
automatically display the original image, rather than post a new copy
or a broken photo icon.
That would be feasible in the web view of the messages. The reply would have the URL of the original image placed in its HTML <img> element, replacing whatever src reference it had on arrival.

When the reply is sent out to members by email it may be best to leave the quoted image as it was received, to avoid the various ills associated with sending it as an https access.

I have no clue how coding would accomplish that, but we're using code
to drill holes in rocks on Mars right now. That seems a bit more
difficult.
Different types of difficulties, but yeah.

Were Groups.io to store a hash value with each image it ought to be pretty straightforward to see if any image file incoming in a reply matches an image file already stored in this group (or topic).

Shal


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

I wrote:

Long ago Mark said he didn't care for indented presentations like that, but there are other ways to convey the same information.

The simplest method I can think of would be to add an "In Reply To" link just below the message's date and permalink:



To avoid clutter omit it on messages that are in reply to the immediately preceding message (chronologically, no matter which way the display order is flipped). And obviously omit it for topic starters and for those messages where the linkage is unknown (neither "In-Reply-To" nor "References" fields are present).

The permalink URLs are "message" URLs that open that one message (as they should), but the In Reply To link is a topic function, so its URL should be of the message in topic type:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/81761410#28905

It is a bit different in the mobile interface as the message numbers aren't shown. So I suppose some type of icon is needed as the link, but I'm not convinced that the up pointing triangle is the best answer (especially when the display order is reversed):


While this is nowhere near as slick as an implementation that presents the linkage visually, it should be easy to implement and use, and does not require a new viewing mode. It also has the advantage of having no visual impact at all in the common case of in-order replies.

Shal


moderated Re: Photo Album Ordering #suggestion

Jen Weber
 

For a while, I thought that a photo view in the "Download" view was what I wanted...a unique URL that never changed when photos were added or deleted from an album, because it contains the name of the photo in it.

But now I see it STILL relies on the placement of the photo in an album.

For example:

https://jtacertificationstudygroup.groups.io/g/JTA.Level3.Study.Group/photo/260708/1/JenW_S10+Eight+Bridges+in+progress+1.jpg?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0
Its still relying that this photo is in the 1st place of the folder 260708.

Please please please PLEASE give us a unique URL for a photo that is not dependent on a position in the album. I know its a pain to recode, but it is SO important.  Messages with links are useless after a few weeks, and for my groups, the archiving of messages and photos is so important.  Knowing that later messages have incorrect links for photos seriously undermines the usefulness of so much of what we do.

I'm still begging for this to be changed.  Is there anyway I can help make this happen?


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Louie S
 

David,

Thanks for the description of your interesting and extensive workaround.

This seems at least to me to underscore the need to provide group owners better tools help communicate and manager their membership.

-louie


moderated displaying thumbnails and icons for msgs containing images and attachments #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Could the displayed list of messages (condensed message view, not expanded) display thumbnails of the attached or embedded images or attached files?
It would be a valuable feature to be able to browse thru a bunch of messages to more easily locate the one that you remember had a particular photo two years ago.

Could the displayed topic view list show the icon that is associated with the type file (e.g, a paper clip icon for an attached file and an image icon for, well, an image?  Better, could the Topic view list display next to the proper icon the number of attachments/images (like the number of messages in the topic are shown.)
Or even better yet, display thumbnails of the files that were posted under that topic (obviously with a limit of say, n < 10 or < 20 or whatever is reasonable)?
And most better yet, clicking the icon, opens a new page displaying thumbnails of all images or files that have been posted under the topic?

(Remember, not only are we drilling holes in the 4th rock, we'll be picking up the cores and transporting them back to the 3rd rock.) 

Thx for all you to, Mark


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

IMO, ideal would be for the quoted message in the reply to automatically display the original image, rather than post a new copy or a broken photo icon.

I have no clue how coding would accomplish that, but we're using code to drill holes in rocks on Mars right now.  That seems a bit more difficult.

-ken  

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