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moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

 

ken,

IMO, ideal would be for the quoted message in the reply to
automatically display the original image, rather than post a new copy
or a broken photo icon.
That would be feasible in the web view of the messages. The reply would have the URL of the original image placed in its HTML <img> element, replacing whatever src reference it had on arrival.

When the reply is sent out to members by email it may be best to leave the quoted image as it was received, to avoid the various ills associated with sending it as an https access.

I have no clue how coding would accomplish that, but we're using code
to drill holes in rocks on Mars right now. That seems a bit more
difficult.
Different types of difficulties, but yeah.

Were Groups.io to store a hash value with each image it ought to be pretty straightforward to see if any image file incoming in a reply matches an image file already stored in this group (or topic).

Shal


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

I wrote:

Long ago Mark said he didn't care for indented presentations like that, but there are other ways to convey the same information.

The simplest method I can think of would be to add an "In Reply To" link just below the message's date and permalink:



To avoid clutter omit it on messages that are in reply to the immediately preceding message (chronologically, no matter which way the display order is flipped). And obviously omit it for topic starters and for those messages where the linkage is unknown (neither "In-Reply-To" nor "References" fields are present).

The permalink URLs are "message" URLs that open that one message (as they should), but the In Reply To link is a topic function, so its URL should be of the message in topic type:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/81761410#28905

It is a bit different in the mobile interface as the message numbers aren't shown. So I suppose some type of icon is needed as the link, but I'm not convinced that the up pointing triangle is the best answer (especially when the display order is reversed):


While this is nowhere near as slick as an implementation that presents the linkage visually, it should be easy to implement and use, and does not require a new viewing mode. It also has the advantage of having no visual impact at all in the common case of in-order replies.

Shal


moderated Re: Photo Album Ordering #suggestion

Jen Weber
 

For a while, I thought that a photo view in the "Download" view was what I wanted...a unique URL that never changed when photos were added or deleted from an album, because it contains the name of the photo in it.

But now I see it STILL relies on the placement of the photo in an album.

For example:

https://jtacertificationstudygroup.groups.io/g/JTA.Level3.Study.Group/photo/260708/1/JenW_S10+Eight+Bridges+in+progress+1.jpg?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0
Its still relying that this photo is in the 1st place of the folder 260708.

Please please please PLEASE give us a unique URL for a photo that is not dependent on a position in the album. I know its a pain to recode, but it is SO important.  Messages with links are useless after a few weeks, and for my groups, the archiving of messages and photos is so important.  Knowing that later messages have incorrect links for photos seriously undermines the usefulness of so much of what we do.

I'm still begging for this to be changed.  Is there anyway I can help make this happen?


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Louie S
 

David,

Thanks for the description of your interesting and extensive workaround.

This seems at least to me to underscore the need to provide group owners better tools help communicate and manager their membership.

-louie


moderated displaying thumbnails and icons for msgs containing images and attachments #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Could the displayed list of messages (condensed message view, not expanded) display thumbnails of the attached or embedded images or attached files?
It would be a valuable feature to be able to browse thru a bunch of messages to more easily locate the one that you remember had a particular photo two years ago.

Could the displayed topic view list show the icon that is associated with the type file (e.g, a paper clip icon for an attached file and an image icon for, well, an image?  Better, could the Topic view list display next to the proper icon the number of attachments/images (like the number of messages in the topic are shown.)
Or even better yet, display thumbnails of the files that were posted under that topic (obviously with a limit of say, n < 10 or < 20 or whatever is reasonable)?
And most better yet, clicking the icon, opens a new page displaying thumbnails of all images or files that have been posted under the topic?

(Remember, not only are we drilling holes in the 4th rock, we'll be picking up the cores and transporting them back to the 3rd rock.) 

Thx for all you to, Mark


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

IMO, ideal would be for the quoted message in the reply to automatically display the original image, rather than post a new copy or a broken photo icon.

I have no clue how coding would accomplish that, but we're using code to drill holes in rocks on Mars right now.  That seems a bit more difficult.

-ken  


moderated Re: #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:55 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
I'd like to see something that would strip out pictures after the
initial one was posted as long as it had the same exact file size. The
same might be possible for file attachments.
As a friendly amendment, may I suggest restricting this function to previous messages within the same topic?

This would seem to satisfy your use case without searching the entire message base.

I think it would be very rare that a subsequent different picture or
file posted in a reply would be the same file size.
If restricted to a single topic, a bytewise comparison with previous attachments may be possible. Failing that, I'd prefer to apply a hashing function of some kind and not rely solely on file size for dupe detection.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated #suggestion feature request to strip out duplicate attachments in replies #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

Sometimes a member posts a picture (or file attachment) with some text
in the message and others reply to that message and don't delete the
picture, so it gets posted several times, each time taking up
additional space in picture storage.

I'd like to see something that would strip out pictures after the
initial one was posted as long as it had the same exact file size. The
same might be possible for file attachments.

I think it would be very rare that a subsequent different picture or
file posted in a reply would be the same file size.

This would save moderators from going to the group site and deleting
the attachments from the follow-up replies. It would be better than
setting up things to moderate all posts with attachments.

Donald


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moderated Re: photos, emailed and albums #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Could the members help manual be updated to reflect how and what can be searched? 
The search box is there but unclear because there are no instructions on its use. Search isn;t mentioned in the manual.

Searching for an emailed photo by filename doesn't work.  Searching by filedate (even just the year) year posted or taken doesn't work.  Our members are left out there without a paddle how to get anywhere.

Can the dates (posted or taken) be displayed along with the filename?  Paging through 40 pages of pics to find a group that's close to when one thinks the pic was taken/posted takes opening an image on each page.  Easy-breezy flipping through the displayed list seems would seem to be useful/time-saving?

Can the author be displayed? (same reason as above.)

An opened-up emailed photo can button over to the corresponding message.  Can the message topic or author be displayed on the photo file display?  Seems that it would be another/easier way to browse to locate an image? 

Thx
ken


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

March 31, 2021:

  • APP: New version of the iOS app is now available for testing. Discussion
  • INTERNAL: Upgraded build system to the latest Go compiler.

March 30, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Going to the /login page when you are already logged in will keep you logged in. Previously, it forced a logout.
  • NEW: We are now more strict in what messages we accept from non-members to groups (for those groups configured to accept messages from non-members), in an effort to cut down on spam. Messages from non-members that are determined to be spam will be logged as a Non-member message in the Activity Log, like Non-member XX attempted to send message "MESSAGE SUBJECT" and the message was rejected because it was determined to be spam.

March 29, 2021:

  • CHANGE: Changed the chat window template to be less Slack-like and more conversational.
  • INTERNAL: Fixed bounce processing for "swbell.net", "bellsouth.net", "sbcglobal.net", "att.net", "ameritech.net" domains.
  • APP: Fix for forcing infinite scroll.
  • DOCS: Updates from Nina.
  • NEW: Turned on new group message and chat message notifications. Discussion

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Post to subscriber #bug

D <dirtydirtycd@...>
 

If you click the email box to email somebody (but don't) and go completely back out & then do the same thing again, the system counts this as if you sent a email/message to them twice. The third time you go in to email them it gives you an error message You can only send a DM to someone twice a day.

[Mod note: Added a subject line]


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 09:59 AM, Louie S wrote:
I was able to accomplish this by sorting on the Delivery then page through the list ...
When I need to do something like this, I find it's easier to work with a local copy of the member list.

-- From Admin --> Members, click the "Download" button. This opens a membership list in .csv format.

-- Depending on how your browser is configured, this may start a "Download File" dialog, or open a display of a text file.

-- I get a text file (Firefox). So I have to copy and paste the displayed text file into a text editor ("Kate", on my system), then save it on disk.

-- I then open the .csv file with Libreoffice (if you use Windows, Excel will do the job). Once I have the membership list loaded in a spreadsheet program, all sorts of stuff is possible, and fairly easy to do. Sorting is a snap. If you know a little bit of Visual Basic (or some equivalent language), you can even write short programs to massage the data in just about any conceivable way.

-- If I need to send a message to hundreds of members at once, I use my email client and create a special mailing list. I use KMail, but this can be done with Outlook, or Thunderbird, or Evolution ... just about any full-featured email client can import a list of email addresses (and associated data) in .csv format.

-- So that's it. Download list, extract sub-list, use local email client to blast out a couple of hundred notices or whatever.

-- One caution. You may end up being blacklisted by your email service provider if you send a message with more than 100 CCs or BCCs. This has happened to me a couple of times, and it's no fun. You're better off sending messages addressed to individual members. You won't be identified as a spammer if you avoid the CC and BCC fields.
--
David Bryant
Canyon Lake, Texas
https://t-vog.groups.io/g/main    https://davidcbryant.net


moderated Other weird SPLIT and other TOPIC issues going on. Why? #bug

KWKloeber
 

Some weird goings-on re: Topics. 

While trying to split off a topic I find that topics are created that don't match their contents.  When I open the topic the author and message is different than the message snippet that's displayed on the Topics list. See below snippets.

Topic list: (there's only one message in the topic)


The actual (only) message in the above topic:



There are topics that I cannot delete (I noticed this when I was reversing topics by date.  The two below that are sandwiched between the pinned topics have no date are EMPTY (no message when I open the topic), and I cannot delete them.  What gives/Am I doing wrong/Where gremlins coming from?




When I tried to split off a message that is a few in sequence down from newest message, it just did not go well due to the above issues.  When I eventually manipulated messages so that I got the offending msg separated out, and merged with the reply to the message, the Topic List view doesn't display the original (oldest) message snippet.  It displays the newest message snippit. 
The snippet shown below is from the NEWEST message in the topic, not the OLDEST message in the topic:





moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 08:32 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Repost doesn't apply to wiki pages, repost requires that the group setting allow reposting in general (not just by mods, which is what I wanted and requested last time around), and in any case has a limit of 10 reposts. Can we please stick to wiki pages here because that's what this request is about. I want to be able, as a moderator only, to post a wiki page as a message to the group, and to do it any number of times over the years.
 
Wouldn't that be essentially the same as copy/paste into a message?  A couple more strokes to one the page, copy, paste... but.... 
To wit from this wiki (below).  Or is there a reason copy/paste doesn't work for your needs?


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moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 09:48 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Awhile back there was a post by Mark exhorting people not to fight or argue with suggestions made here.
I'm not arguing against it, I just don't see a need for it.  Much easier to justify the time and energy to institute a suggestion if there's a real need for it that can't be done another way.

Duane


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

Awhile back there was a post by Mark exhorting people not to fight or argue with suggestions made here. I am reminding you of that now. I’ve made my suggestion, I am not required to give you or anyone else examples, and I’m done here unless Mark himself has any questions about my suggestion. It is his decision.


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:42 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I just gave examples. They are “how to” docs, including how to log on.

Don’t want the wiki public, for many reasons.

No problem with the language. It’s “republish” because its republishing in a different format. It’s also “post to group.” The language is irrelevant to me.

Any more suggestions?


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them.
The most obvious solution, to me, is to make the wiki public so that links are useful.

I can't think of a situation where I'd need/want to send a wiki page to everyone.  Could you give a specific example?

Since Wiki pages can't be 'published' when created, I think the actual suggestion is a button to Post As Message (for mods only?) in the editor that could be used if needed.

For things like how to log in, I include links to the Members Manual that anyone can see.  I've also set up several notices of type Note To Member that I use when a specific member is having a problem with something so it doesn't need to be sent to the entire group.

Duane

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

I just gave examples. They are “how to” docs, including how to log on.

Don’t want the wiki public, for many reasons.

No problem with the language. It’s “republish” because its republishing in a different format. It’s also “post to group.” The language is irrelevant to me.

Any more suggestions?


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them.
The most obvious solution, to me, is to make the wiki public so that links are useful.

I can't think of a situation where I'd need/want to send a wiki page to everyone.  Could you give a specific example?

Since Wiki pages can't be 'published' when created, I think the actual suggestion is a button to Post As Message (for mods only?) in the editor that could be used if needed.

For things like how to log in, I include links to the Members Manual that anyone can see.  I've also set up several notices of type Note To Member that I use when a specific member is having a problem with something so it doesn't need to be sent to the entire group.

Duane

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them.
The most obvious solution, to me, is to make the wiki public so that links are useful.

I can't think of a situation where I'd need/want to send a wiki page to everyone.  Could you give a specific example?

Since Wiki pages can't be 'published' when created, I think the actual suggestion is a button to Post As Message (for mods only?) in the editor that could be used if needed.

For things like how to log in, I include links to the Members Manual that anyone can see.  I've also set up several notices of type Note To Member that I use when a specific member is having a problem with something so it doesn't need to be sent to the entire group.

Duane


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:37 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I'd like this too. Also for Pending messages.
Agreed, not being able to edit files in a pending message (including attaching them) is a huge and inconvenient lack.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Are you looking to send the entire page content in that message, or simply repeat the "Notify Members" function (which sends a link to the page)?
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them. It's Catch-22.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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