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moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

Awhile back there was a post by Mark exhorting people not to fight or argue with suggestions made here. I am reminding you of that now. I’ve made my suggestion, I am not required to give you or anyone else examples, and I’m done here unless Mark himself has any questions about my suggestion. It is his decision.


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:42 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I just gave examples. They are “how to” docs, including how to log on.

Don’t want the wiki public, for many reasons.

No problem with the language. It’s “republish” because its republishing in a different format. It’s also “post to group.” The language is irrelevant to me.

Any more suggestions?


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them.
The most obvious solution, to me, is to make the wiki public so that links are useful.

I can't think of a situation where I'd need/want to send a wiki page to everyone.  Could you give a specific example?

Since Wiki pages can't be 'published' when created, I think the actual suggestion is a button to Post As Message (for mods only?) in the editor that could be used if needed.

For things like how to log in, I include links to the Members Manual that anyone can see.  I've also set up several notices of type Note To Member that I use when a specific member is having a problem with something so it doesn't need to be sent to the entire group.

Duane

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J

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

I just gave examples. They are “how to” docs, including how to log on.

Don’t want the wiki public, for many reasons.

No problem with the language. It’s “republish” because its republishing in a different format. It’s also “post to group.” The language is irrelevant to me.

Any more suggestions?


On Apr 3, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them.
The most obvious solution, to me, is to make the wiki public so that links are useful.

I can't think of a situation where I'd need/want to send a wiki page to everyone.  Could you give a specific example?

Since Wiki pages can't be 'published' when created, I think the actual suggestion is a button to Post As Message (for mods only?) in the editor that could be used if needed.

For things like how to log in, I include links to the Members Manual that anyone can see.  I've also set up several notices of type Note To Member that I use when a specific member is having a problem with something so it doesn't need to be sent to the entire group.

Duane

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 07:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them.
The most obvious solution, to me, is to make the wiki public so that links are useful.

I can't think of a situation where I'd need/want to send a wiki page to everyone.  Could you give a specific example?

Since Wiki pages can't be 'published' when created, I think the actual suggestion is a button to Post As Message (for mods only?) in the editor that could be used if needed.

For things like how to log in, I include links to the Members Manual that anyone can see.  I've also set up several notices of type Note To Member that I use when a specific member is having a problem with something so it doesn't need to be sent to the entire group.

Duane


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:37 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I'd like this too. Also for Pending messages.
Agreed, not being able to edit files in a pending message (including attaching them) is a huge and inconvenient lack.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Are you looking to send the entire page content in that message, or simply repeat the "Notify Members" function (which sends a link to the page)?
The page content itself. Many, many times, the text I want to send consists of "how to" instructions for people who are not logged in and who never (or rarely) log in. Sometimes, it even explains HOW to log in. A link would be useless for them. It's Catch-22.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

J,

You can delete an attachment in a message edit, but the paperclip goes
away when you try to edit. So it's impossible, for example, to edit an
attachment to a post ... Would it be possible to add this ability?
I'd like this too. Also for Pending messages.

In reference to concerns that have been raised by others in this topic, I agree with J and don't see a "consistency of the record" problem with this that the existing edit mechanisms for the message text don't already adequately handle.

I would like the original attachments and/or embedded images to remain connected to the prior revision of the message (accessed through the message's Revisions list) such that each revision in the list is internally consistent.

Shal


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

J,

It would be extremely helpful to have a "Republish page" option at the
bottom of wiki pages, which would automatically publish the page as a
message to the group.
Are you looking to send the entire page content in that message, or simply repeat the "Notify Members" function (which sends a link to the page)?

Shal


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 05:22 PM, Duane wrote:
Isn't that what Repost is for?
Repost doesn't apply to wiki pages, repost requires that the group setting allow reposting in general (not just by mods, which is what I wanted and requested last time around), and in any case has a limit of 10 reposts. Can we please stick to wiki pages here because that's what this request is about. I want to be able, as a moderator only, to post a wiki page as a message to the group, and to do it any number of times over the years.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 06:15 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I've made this suggestion before for individual messages (the ability to resend a message to the group).
Isn't that what Repost is for?

Duane


moderated "Republish wiki page" #suggestion

 

I've made this suggestion before for individual messages (the ability to resend a message to the group). While I would still like to have that, it seems like it's not gonna happen so I am now narrowing the request to wiki pages.

It would be extremely helpful to have a "Republish page" option at the bottom of wiki pages, which would automatically publish the page as a message to the group.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: better member list filtering #suggestion

Louie S
 

A  reason to add more filtering options to the Member list page is so you can easily make selections of the member and use that to send tailored notices.

One example is that I want to send a notice to just members that have email of "Special". There is no easy way to do this especially in a large group.

I was able to accomplish this by sorting on the Delivery then page through the list 100 at a time clicking the select all on page check box. Then on the first and last page I had manually deselect each member that did not have the "Special" status. Doable but tedious.

-louie


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

A member of our list is the global cyber security lawyer for Verizon Media, which includes aol and yahoo. She has offered to help and to bring in their trust and safety investigations team. Mark- if you want, I can put you in touch. 


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

Interesting new development, which you (Mark) probably see already --

I see a few addresses that subscribe, then change their address to @AOL.  Then a few days later they do it again, and again.  I'm assuming they do this to try to bypass being discovered as "new" AOL group members.

I'm starting to think that the reason for all this nonsense, is to piss off enough people (the ones who receive the forwarded messages from groups they don't belong to) so they complain and get groups.io blacklisted.

Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 07:24 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
all groups allow mods to save without sending.
all groups allow mods to edit<<<


Yes and that’s inconsistent with the (stated?) goal. 

Perhaps I wasn’t clear.  My point is if the policy (Mark’s intention) is to keep  the two records consistent (I believe that is the intention,  otherwise editing images/attachments wouldn’t have been “banned”) then that policy should be for everyone, mods included to keep the records consistent.   Not to allow mods to make it only a little more inconsistent than member are allowed to do. 

To be clear, I am saying the current setup/permissions are INCONSISTENT with the intrnded goal (as discussed in earlier threads) and the permissions should be backed down so that editing a posted msg  w/o saving shouldn’t be allowed at all, mods included. 

However, if Mark’s goal isn’t for the records to remain consistent, then ALL editing (images, ATT’s, text) should be allowed by anyone/everyone, without saving, mods and members included (but mods could turn off all editing for the entire group.)

I can’t cross the street cuz it’s unsafe, SO I can go only to the center line.  
It’s illogical.  
Either trust me to cross the entire street or keep me from stepping off the curb.  

I prefer crossing the street (ALL editing allowed) but staying safe doing it (edits MUST be sent out. )

Ken K

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moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>YSWT<<

Dano

That wasn't supposed to be an anacronym,  It was to be a reply to "YSWT"  DUH!
Boy, I wish I could Edited that and Saved w/o Sending LOL!!!

I would bet that in the hierarchical view, very few responding would actually put the message in the spot in which it belongs.  (I'd bet a milkshake) there's as much chance of it occurring as from the same folks who won't bottom-quote so that their context is clear.

Still, if members want to see it as an optional feature no harm, no foul.

-Ken
 

 


moderated Re: Make date formats in calendar messages match local preferences #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 04:45 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Can we get the date format in calendar messages matching the local preferences please? 
Hi Mark,

the date formats in the cal-reminder messages don't always use local preferences.  They are OK on my main group and another subgroup I checked but on two other subgroups they are in US rather than UK format.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

YSWT wrote:

Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.
For example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/10130294473/in/album-72157636272401705/

Sort of a combination of the single message view:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28905
With a messages list below, restricted to the topic, and indented hierarchically to show which message replied to which.

Long ago Mark said he didn't care for indented presentations like that, but there are other ways to convey the same information. The key is that when someone posts ambiguously ("I agree") one can see at a glance which message they agree with - which may not be the most recent message if the topic is busy.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/9671

Shal


moderated Re: Group sort displays sort by criterion not selected #bug

 

Sorry to be a pest, but bumping this up again -   it has consequences for my group and my guess is it's a 10-second fix:

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 08:16 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

....the results from a search for groups ignores whatever criterion the user has selected on the left for the sort order ("Most Popular," "Most Active," whatever) and instead always displays by "Newest," and it jumps down and changes the highlighted criterion on the left, whatever it is, to "Newest."
Thanks for the considleration.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

Hi Larry,

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:41 AM Larry McVoy <lm@...> wrote:

One thought I had was would it be possible to create the role of "helper" which was like a moderator but when you set that role up, you click on the capabilities that you want to give them. That way a moderator could add a helper, click on verify, and they have some more help.

That sounds like what moderators are right now? Owners have full permissions, moderators have (potentially) limited permissions. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding?

 

And is there anything that we, as non-devs, can be doing to help beat back these trolls? Doesn't seem fair that it is all on you.

I appreciate the offer! The troll beating is fairly automated at this point, and continually evolving. Fortunately, I have many signals to use in determining if someone is a spammer. One of those signals is if someone has been banned from a group; another is if their posts have been rejected (although these current spammers don't seem to be into sending group messages). So, moderators are already helping. :-)


Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Larry McVoy <lm@...>
 

Hi Mark,

New guy here (but long time user, love the product).

One thought I had was would it be possible to create the role of "helper" which was like a moderator but when you set that role up, you click on the capabilities that you want to give them. That way a moderator could add a helper, click on verify, and they have some more help.

I was thinking about the guy with world wide users (and any big list). The world wide guy could create helpers in every country and off you go.

Thoughts?

And is there anything that we, as non-devs, can be doing to help beat back these trolls? Doesn't seem fair that it is all on you.

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