A member of our list is the global cyber security lawyer for Verizon Media, which includes aol and yahoo. She has offered to help and to bring in their trust and safety investigations team. Mark- if you want, I can put you in touch. 

Interesting new development, which you (Mark) probably see already --

I see a few addresses that subscribe, then change their address to @AOL.  Then a few days later they do it again, and again.  I'm assuming they do this to try to bypass being discovered as "new" AOL group members.

I'm starting to think that the reason for all this nonsense, is to piss off enough people (the ones who receive the forwarded messages from groups they don't belong to) so they complain and get groups.io blacklisted.

Andy

>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 07:24 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

all groups allow mods to save without sending.

all groups allow mods to edit<<<

>>YSWT<<

Dano

That wasn't supposed to be an anacronym,  It was to be a reply to "YSWT"  DUH!
Boy, I wish I could Edited that and Saved w/o Sending LOL!!!

I would bet that in the hierarchical view, very few responding would actually put the message in the spot in which it belongs.  (I'd bet a milkshake) there's as much chance of it occurring as from the same folks who won't bottom-quote so that their context is clear.

Still, if members want to see it as an optional feature no harm, no foul.

-Ken
 

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 04:45 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

Can we get the date format in calendar messages matching the local preferences please? 

Hi Mark,

the date formats in the cal-reminder messages don't always use local preferences.  They are OK on my main group and another subgroup I checked but on two other subgroups they are in US rather than UK format.

Regards
Andy

YSWT wrote:

Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.

For example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/10130294473/in/album-72157636272401705/

Sort of a combination of the single message view:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28905
With a messages list below, restricted to the topic, and indented hierarchically to show which message replied to which.

Long ago Mark said he didn't care for indented presentations like that, but there are other ways to convey the same information. The key is that when someone posts ambiguously ("I agree") one can see at a glance which message they agree with - which may not be the most recent message if the topic is busy.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/9671

Shal

Sorry to be a pest, but bumping this up again -   it has consequences for my group and my guess is it's a 10-second fix:

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 08:16 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

....the results from a search for groups ignores whatever criterion the user has selected on the left for the sort order ("Most Popular," "Most Active," whatever) and instead always displays by "Newest," and it jumps down and changes the highlighted criterion on the left, whatever it is, to "Newest."

Thanks for the considleration.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Hi Mark,

New guy here (but long time user, love the product).

One thought I had was would it be possible to create the role of "helper" which was like a moderator but when you set that role up, you click on the capabilities that you want to give them. That way a moderator could add a helper, click on verify, and they have some more help.

I was thinking about the guy with world wide users (and any big list). The world wide guy could create helpers in every country and off you go.

Thoughts?

And is there anything that we, as non-devs, can be doing to help beat back these trolls? Doesn't seem fair that it is all on you.

YBWT

I don’t recall that- 
was it a hierarchical view, showed precisely which message a reply as to, not just chronologically slapped on the list?
would be a valuable feature as an available (not forced” view. 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 07:24 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

all groups allow mods to save without sending.

all groups allow mods to edit
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 07:14 AM, KWKloeber wrote:

this group doesn’t allow edits

But all groups allow mods to save without sending. You can't stop that.
My group and all the groups I'm in have disallowed editing by non-mods.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:07 PM, KWKloeber wrote:

I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending

Well, let us know what you decide.

join our group to find out! <grin>

this group doesn’t allow edits and it’s not an impossible hurdle - just resend, delete the first   

No [edit allowed] or [save and send] would be consistent with the spirit of gio, regardless whether it’s text or images or attachments.

if allowed otherwise it should come with a STRONG warning of the potential downside and be discouraged  i.e, if the correct content is important enough fix, then it’s important enough for everyone to receive it  

that’s why I LOVE SimpleForum   Emailed posts go out, but no posting via email, you have the latest edit in front of you when you reply thru the UI   Email posting leads to SO many snafus caused by “inattentive” members unfortunately  

 

Hi Mark,

While testing the Split topic function I found that each reply via email to messages that have been split off to a new topic ends up creating a new topic. I've been able to repeat this with the following steps:

• Create a new topic (Subject A) and post messages to it (I did 6 messages)
• Split the topic to create new one called Subject B (I split from message 3 onwards)

In my email client (Outlook) I now have all the messages (single message delivery) posted to the original topic and they all have Subject A. An email user may well not know that the topic has been split online) so now:

• Via email, reply to any of the messages still in the original topic (one of the first 2 messages which has Subject A) => Result: Replies are merged into the first topic as expected.
• Via email, reply to any of the messages that are now in the new topic (message 3 onwards, leaving it as Subject A). => Result: Each reply starts a new topic with Subject A!

As all messages were posted within a few minutes of each other, I would have expected email replies to any messages to be merged into the first topic (Subject A) based upon the Threading Algorithm documentation (unless the first topic (Subject A) was locked in which case replies would be rejected).

What's happening here?

Regards
Andy

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:07 PM, KWKloeber wrote:

I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending

Well, let us know what you decide.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

>>>you can currently edit a message to DELETE a file. How does that not result in a mismatch between the archive and the email any more than adding a file does?<<<

One can also paste in an image (although that's not always successful/holds its place.)

If I edit/resend (or even not resend)  I put a note [EDIT] - to indicate what was changed. 
Typically not, if it's gramma ore punkuation oar spelling correktions .   
Sometimes after a brain freeze, I have to do an [EDIT 2]  DUH!

Possibly there should be a user-completed tag when editing that gets inserted into the message (more than simply "Edited message follows"

I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending although I really prefer to be able to do minor text edits (certainly not deleting or replacing images/attachments w/o sending out a notice.)  There doesn't seem to be an easy answer to this that also maintains consistency/accuracy between online/emailed messages.  One could see a potential problem by changing a file name as well, if someone saved a file and it's then different than the one in the record. Not fatal, but still....

Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.

That would be my dream....

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:16 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

look at the Payment tab.

In addition what Bruce said, the payer will also be able to see details on their Account > Billing page.

Andy