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moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>YSWT<<

Dano

That wasn't supposed to be an anacronym,  It was to be a reply to "YSWT"  DUH!
Boy, I wish I could Edited that and Saved w/o Sending LOL!!!

I would bet that in the hierarchical view, very few responding would actually put the message in the spot in which it belongs.  (I'd bet a milkshake) there's as much chance of it occurring as from the same folks who won't bottom-quote so that their context is clear.

Still, if members want to see it as an optional feature no harm, no foul.

-Ken
 

 


moderated Re: Make date formats in calendar messages match local preferences #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 04:45 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Can we get the date format in calendar messages matching the local preferences please? 
Hi Mark,

the date formats in the cal-reminder messages don't always use local preferences.  They are OK on my main group and another subgroup I checked but on two other subgroups they are in US rather than UK format.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

YSWT wrote:

Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.
For example:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/10130294473/in/album-72157636272401705/

Sort of a combination of the single message view:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28905
With a messages list below, restricted to the topic, and indented hierarchically to show which message replied to which.

Long ago Mark said he didn't care for indented presentations like that, but there are other ways to convey the same information. The key is that when someone posts ambiguously ("I agree") one can see at a glance which message they agree with - which may not be the most recent message if the topic is busy.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/9671

Shal


moderated Re: Group sort displays sort by criterion not selected #bug

 

Sorry to be a pest, but bumping this up again -   it has consequences for my group and my guess is it's a 10-second fix:

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 08:16 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

....the results from a search for groups ignores whatever criterion the user has selected on the left for the sort order ("Most Popular," "Most Active," whatever) and instead always displays by "Newest," and it jumps down and changes the highlighted criterion on the left, whatever it is, to "Newest."
Thanks for the considleration.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

Hi Larry,

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:41 AM Larry McVoy <lm@...> wrote:

One thought I had was would it be possible to create the role of "helper" which was like a moderator but when you set that role up, you click on the capabilities that you want to give them. That way a moderator could add a helper, click on verify, and they have some more help.

That sounds like what moderators are right now? Owners have full permissions, moderators have (potentially) limited permissions. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding?

 

And is there anything that we, as non-devs, can be doing to help beat back these trolls? Doesn't seem fair that it is all on you.

I appreciate the offer! The troll beating is fairly automated at this point, and continually evolving. Fortunately, I have many signals to use in determining if someone is a spammer. One of those signals is if someone has been banned from a group; another is if their posts have been rejected (although these current spammers don't seem to be into sending group messages). So, moderators are already helping. :-)


Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Larry McVoy <lm@...>
 

Hi Mark,

New guy here (but long time user, love the product).

One thought I had was would it be possible to create the role of "helper" which was like a moderator but when you set that role up, you click on the capabilities that you want to give them. That way a moderator could add a helper, click on verify, and they have some more help.

I was thinking about the guy with world wide users (and any big list). The world wide guy could create helpers in every country and off you go.

Thoughts?

And is there anything that we, as non-devs, can be doing to help beat back these trolls? Doesn't seem fair that it is all on you.


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

> YBWT
>
> I don’t recall that- 
> was it a hierarchical view, showed precisely which message a reply as to, not just chronologically slapped on the list?
> would be a valuable feature as an available (not forced” view. 
 
I absolutely believe that acronyms are our modern 'Tower of Babel'.
 
My experience is that most replies are simply posted after the last message, regardless of whoever sparked their comments. This is not true for all groups I'm sure, but I would guess the majority of  typical groups threads were created this way.
 
Of course, YMMV.
 
Dano
 

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moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

YBWT

I don’t recall that- 
was it a hierarchical view, showed precisely which message a reply as to, not just chronologically slapped on the list?
would be a valuable feature as an available (not forced” view. 


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 07:24 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
all groups allow mods to save without sending.
all groups allow mods to edit
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 07:14 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
this group doesn’t allow edits
But all groups allow mods to save without sending. You can't stop that.
My group and all the groups I'm in have disallowed editing by non-mods.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:07 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending
Well, let us know what you decide.

join our group to find out! <grin>


this group doesn’t allow edits and it’s not an impossible hurdle - just resend, delete the first   

No [edit allowed] or [save and send] would be consistent with the spirit of gio, regardless whether it’s text or images or attachments.

if allowed otherwise it should come with a STRONG warning of the potential downside and be discouraged  i.e, if the correct content is important enough fix, then it’s important enough for everyone to receive it  

that’s why I LOVE SimpleForum   Emailed posts go out, but no posting via email, you have the latest edit in front of you when you reply thru the UI   Email posting leads to SO many snafus caused by “inattentive” members unfortunately  

 


moderated Each email reply to a message that has been split into a new topic creates another new topic #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

While testing the Split topic function I found that each reply via email to messages that have been split off to a new topic ends up creating a new topic. I've been able to repeat this with the following steps:

  • Create a new topic (Subject A) and post messages to it (I did 6 messages)
  • Split the topic to create new one called Subject B (I split from message 3 onwards)
In my email client (Outlook) I now have all the messages (single message delivery) posted to the original topic and they all have Subject A. An email user may well not know that the topic has been split online) so now:

  • Via email, reply to any of the messages still in the original topic (one of the first 2 messages which has Subject A) => Result: Replies are merged into the first topic as expected.
  • Via email, reply to any of the messages that are now in the new topic (message 3 onwards, leaving it as Subject A). => Result: Each reply starts a new topic with Subject A!

As all messages were posted within a few minutes of each other, I would have expected email replies to any messages to be merged into the first topic (Subject A) based upon the Threading Algorithm documentation (unless the first topic (Subject A) was locked in which case replies would be rejected).

What's happening here?

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:07 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending
Well, let us know what you decide.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>you can currently edit a message to DELETE a file. How does that not result in a mismatch between the archive and the email any more than adding a file does?<<<
One can also paste in an image (although that's not always successful/holds its place.)

If I edit/resend (or even not resend)  I put a note [EDIT] - to indicate what was changed. 
Typically not, if it's gramma ore punkuation oar spelling correktions .   
Sometimes after a brain freeze, I have to do an [EDIT 2]  DUH!

Possibly there should be a user-completed tag when editing that gets inserted into the message (more than simply "Edited message follows"

I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending although I really prefer to be able to do minor text edits (certainly not deleting or replacing images/attachments w/o sending out a notice.)  There doesn't seem to be an easy answer to this that also maintains consistency/accuracy between online/emailed messages.  One could see a potential problem by changing a file name as well, if someone saved a file and it's then different than the one in the record. Not fatal, but still....


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

Have you opened your group web page under "Topic" view and clicked on a thread to open it? That sounds like what you're looking for.
 
Dano
 
> Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.
>
> That would be my dream....

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moderated #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

YSWT
 

Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.

That would be my dream....


moderated Re: Annual Renewal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:16 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
look at the Payment tab.
In addition what Bruce said, the payer will also be able to see details on their Account > Billing page.

Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

Right, there’s no real difference!

And although it’s a separate issue, I agree that adding member notification to editing a pending message is nothing more than simple courtesy. I’ve always wondered why it’s not done and I often do the notification myself by hand anyway, to let them know and often even ask for their approval first. So I agree that it would be a reasonable addition.


On Mar 31, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:51 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending."
As long as the original poster is notified, same as "save without sending",  I don't see a real problem with allowing attachments/images to be edited.  That would give them the opportunity to see what was changed and delete their message if they don't agree.  Since those on email aren't notified of message deletions anyway, there always exists the possibility of "inconsistent records of the same message."  If anything is to be changed, I'd like to see the poster notified when a pending message is edited before being approved (for more consistency.)

Duane

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Repost option not available when expected #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

a member in my main group wanted to send a reminder about an event and rather than him typing a separate message, I asked him to use the Repost option.  The group settings allow reposts after 5 days and his previous message was 7 days ago. He told me that the Repost option is not showing on the hamburger/More menu.   In another subgroup and I set Allow Reposts Of Messages After to 1 day and did some testing. I found that:

  • In a topic where I had posted multiple messages on 28-Mar, the Repost option only shows for the first message
  • In a topic I posted the previous day (more than 24 hours though) the Repost option is not available
  • Messages I had posted a week ago do have the Repost option.
I am not sure what process goes on behind the scenes to determine when the Repost option should be displayed or when that determination is made (dynamically or perhaps some scheduled batch process).

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:51 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending."
As long as the original poster is notified, same as "save without sending",  I don't see a real problem with allowing attachments/images to be edited.  That would give them the opportunity to see what was changed and delete their message if they don't agree.  Since those on email aren't notified of message deletions anyway, there always exists the possibility of "inconsistent records of the same message."  If anything is to be changed, I'd like to see the poster notified when a pending message is edited before being approved (for more consistency.)

Duane

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