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moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:51 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending."
As long as the original poster is notified, same as "save without sending",  I don't see a real problem with allowing attachments/images to be edited.  That would give them the opportunity to see what was changed and delete their message if they don't agree.  Since those on email aren't notified of message deletions anyway, there always exists the possibility of "inconsistent records of the same message."  If anything is to be changed, I'd like to see the poster notified when a pending message is edited before being approved (for more consistency.)

Duane


moderated Re: Show amounts used from sponsorship on billing invoices #suggestion

 

And just to be complete, if sponsorships are enough to cover the entire cost of renewal, that should also be shown in the billing details, along with the balance of sponsorships following the renewal.

JohnF


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

And furthermore, you can currently edit a message to DELETE a file. How does that not result in a mismatch between the archive and the email any more than adding a file does?
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moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:18 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
"Save without sending" changes should be reserved for fixing typos and the like...anything more substantive is revising history.
There is nothing - NOTHING - currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending." Furthermore, in the case that prompted me to suggest allowing edits of files, all I wanted to do was change the name of the file, which contained a typo. So it can be the total reverse: editing a file can be a non-substantive edit, and editing message content can be substantive.

There is just no logic here that I can see for allowing one without the other.
 
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moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:35 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
As Ken suggested it results in what's in the message archive and what has been sent out by email matching correctly.
And as I've said repeatedly, they don't match currently with "save without sending." A file is just more info. How is it different from the rest of the message content? I am not seeing the slightest bit of logic here.
 
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moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:03 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Again: doesn't seem any different from edit by mod with "save without sending."
I feel that the online messages should present -- first and foremost -- an accurate representation of what has been previously emailed to the membership. "Save without sending" changes should be reserved for fixing typos and the like...anything more substantive is revising history.

I acknowledge that group use cases may exist where such considerations may not be important (although I can't think of one off the top of my head).

"Save and Resend" should be the only option allowed if attachments/images are edited.   
I don't see that logic.
Changing an attachment is not a trivial alteration of content, and thus fails to comply with the previously stated group ethics. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 01:03 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don't see that logic.
As Ken suggested it results in what's in the message archive and what has been sent out by email matching correctly.

Which, IMHO, they should.

Chris


moderated Re: Show amounts used from sponsorship on billing invoices #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:35 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
It would be helpful to have a breakdown of the charge and how it was paid e.g:

Annual Fee:                 $110.00
Sponsorship Funds:        $5.00
Amount Payable:         $105.00
I would also add an entry for Remaining Sponsorship to that list.

Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 04:34 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
The whole point and argument for not allowing that feature were that there would be inconsistent records of the same message,  On line would be different than those emailed out.
Again: doesn't seem any different from edit by mod with "save without sending."

"Save and Resend" should be the only option allowed if attachments/images are edited.   
I don't see that logic.
 
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moderated Show amounts used from sponsorship on billing invoices #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I renewed my annual legacy group subscription on 21-Mar.  The billing details show $105 but there is no mention that the other $5 came from sponsorship amounts (my $5 test when you released this feature).

It would be helpful to have a breakdown of the charge and how it was paid e.g:

Annual Fee:                 $110.00
Sponsorship Funds:        $5.00
Amount Payable:         $105.00


Currently, other than the 'Member sponsored' entry in the Activity Log, there is no other reference to the amounts that have been paid by members that I can see.

Thanks,
Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

The whole point and argument for not allowing that feature were that there would be inconsistent records of the same message,  On line would be different than those emailed out.

There's a good argument for not allowing editing of attachments or embedded images, 
That said, there are also good arguments to allow the feature for mods (and members also at the owner's/mod's discretion.) 
However, if the feature is implemented for anyone, it should preserve an accurate record, so "Save and Resend" should be the only option allowed if attachments/images are edited.    


moderated Re: Annual Renewal #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:34 PM, William Halte wrote:
My premium group (pebblecreekio) annual renewal is due on April 1.  The payer did not receive an invoice. How do we get the renewal paid?
You won't be sent an invoice before you pay, but you should have received a reminder notice two weeks ago.

Open the page at https://groups.io/g/pebblecreekio/billing and look at the Payment tab. If you don't downgrade beforehand, the credit card of record will be automatically billed on the due date. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Annual Renewal #misc

William Halte
 

My premium group (pebblecreekio) annual renewal is due on April 1.  The payer did not receive an invoice. How do we get the renewal paid?

Bill 


moderated #suggestion Notify event organizer (opt-in) of RSVP event responses #suggestion

Alwin
 

According to https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/topic/81707469#2445
There are no separate notifications to event organisers for initial of updated RSVP status
If I were an event organizer, I might want a daily report of initial RSVPs, or all current RSVPs with comments 24 hours before the event, for example. And anyone who switches from Will Attend to Not Sure or Will Not Attend, I would want to be notified immediately so I could work at filling their slot.


moderated Re: #suggestion for a weekly/monthly digest feature #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 12:38 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The Daily Summary might be worth looking into. It contains no message content but does contain links to topics that have ongoing activity.
This also lists those that took part in the conversation, in the order that they joined the discussion.

Duane


moderated Re: #suggestion for a weekly/monthly digest feature #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:52 AM, Shlomo Dowen wrote:
As such, what our members have asked for is an option for weekly or monthly digests that list all the topics with new posts during that week or month so that they can review them to ensure they haven't missed anything of interest.
The Daily Summary might be worth looking into. It contains no message content but does contain links to topics that have ongoing activity.

From where I'm standing, if you're a month late, you've already missed it.

Regards,
Bruce

 


moderated Re: #suggestion for a weekly/monthly digest feature #suggestion

 

p.s. Following Only also allows them, if they wish, to follow specific hashtags.
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moderated Re: #suggestion for a weekly/monthly digest feature #suggestion

 

Why not suggest to your members that they use the "Following Only" setting (under Advanced Preferences), with "First Message Also" checked? That would guarantee that no matter what their email delivery method - digest, daily summary, or individual email - it would include the first message of every new topic, and the rest of the messages of any topic they then decide to "Follow" by clicking on "Follow This Topic."
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moderated #suggestion for a weekly/monthly digest feature #suggestion

Shlomo Dowen
 

We have many discussions on a variety of different topics, but not everyone is interested in every discussion. However, because the reasons our members might find a particular topic of interest are so varied, simply dividing topics by subgroup or hashtag would add to the complexity (and the administrative burden) but wouldn't make it much easier for people to filter their messages to access only the ones they were interested in.

As such, what our members have asked for is an option for weekly or monthly digests that list all the topics with new posts during that week or month so that they can review them to ensure they haven't missed anything of interest.

It would be even better if there was an option for the list of topics to be accompanied by information such as who started the thread and who took part in it and how many replies it attracted (both cumulatively and during the month).

Thank you for your consideration of this matter.


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Doesn't that have a rather anomalous outcome? Members using the web UI would see the amended or additional attachment(s) while those reading by email would not because the correction / addition(s) would not be sent out to them
It's no different from "save without sending." Whether or not the ability would be implemented for non-mods, who could not save without sending, is a separate issue. I want the ability for mods. Someone else may want it for non-mods as well and I have no particular opinion on or feelings about that, as long as it's implemented for mods.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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