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moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:07 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending
Well, let us know what you decide.

join our group to find out! <grin>


this group doesn’t allow edits and it’s not an impossible hurdle - just resend, delete the first   

No [edit allowed] or [save and send] would be consistent with the spirit of gio, regardless whether it’s text or images or attachments.

if allowed otherwise it should come with a STRONG warning of the potential downside and be discouraged  i.e, if the correct content is important enough fix, then it’s important enough for everyone to receive it  

that’s why I LOVE SimpleForum   Emailed posts go out, but no posting via email, you have the latest edit in front of you when you reply thru the UI   Email posting leads to SO many snafus caused by “inattentive” members unfortunately  

 


moderated Each email reply to a message that has been split into a new topic creates another new topic #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

While testing the Split topic function I found that each reply via email to messages that have been split off to a new topic ends up creating a new topic. I've been able to repeat this with the following steps:

  • Create a new topic (Subject A) and post messages to it (I did 6 messages)
  • Split the topic to create new one called Subject B (I split from message 3 onwards)
In my email client (Outlook) I now have all the messages (single message delivery) posted to the original topic and they all have Subject A. An email user may well not know that the topic has been split online) so now:

  • Via email, reply to any of the messages still in the original topic (one of the first 2 messages which has Subject A) => Result: Replies are merged into the first topic as expected.
  • Via email, reply to any of the messages that are now in the new topic (message 3 onwards, leaving it as Subject A). => Result: Each reply starts a new topic with Subject A!

As all messages were posted within a few minutes of each other, I would have expected email replies to any messages to be merged into the first topic (Subject A) based upon the Threading Algorithm documentation (unless the first topic (Subject A) was locked in which case replies would be rejected).

What's happening here?

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:07 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending
Well, let us know what you decide.
 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>you can currently edit a message to DELETE a file. How does that not result in a mismatch between the archive and the email any more than adding a file does?<<<
One can also paste in an image (although that's not always successful/holds its place.)

If I edit/resend (or even not resend)  I put a note [EDIT] - to indicate what was changed. 
Typically not, if it's gramma ore punkuation oar spelling correktions .   
Sometimes after a brain freeze, I have to do an [EDIT 2]  DUH!

Possibly there should be a user-completed tag when editing that gets inserted into the message (more than simply "Edited message follows"

I am leaning toward not allowing save w/o sending although I really prefer to be able to do minor text edits (certainly not deleting or replacing images/attachments w/o sending out a notice.)  There doesn't seem to be an easy answer to this that also maintains consistency/accuracy between online/emailed messages.  One could see a potential problem by changing a file name as well, if someone saved a file and it's then different than the one in the record. Not fatal, but still....


moderated Re: #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

 

Have you opened your group web page under "Topic" view and clicked on a thread to open it? That sounds like what you're looking for.
 
Dano
 
> Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.
>
> That would be my dream....

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moderated #suggestion Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'. #suggestion

YSWT
 

Implement threaded view like Yahoo groups used to have before 'neo'.

That would be my dream....


moderated Re: Annual Renewal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:16 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
look at the Payment tab.
In addition what Bruce said, the payer will also be able to see details on their Account > Billing page.

Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

Right, there’s no real difference!

And although it’s a separate issue, I agree that adding member notification to editing a pending message is nothing more than simple courtesy. I’ve always wondered why it’s not done and I often do the notification myself by hand anyway, to let them know and often even ask for their approval first. So I agree that it would be a reasonable addition.


On Mar 31, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:51 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending."
As long as the original poster is notified, same as "save without sending",  I don't see a real problem with allowing attachments/images to be edited.  That would give them the opportunity to see what was changed and delete their message if they don't agree.  Since those on email aren't notified of message deletions anyway, there always exists the possibility of "inconsistent records of the same message."  If anything is to be changed, I'd like to see the poster notified when a pending message is edited before being approved (for more consistency.)

Duane

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J

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moderated Repost option not available when expected #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

a member in my main group wanted to send a reminder about an event and rather than him typing a separate message, I asked him to use the Repost option.  The group settings allow reposts after 5 days and his previous message was 7 days ago. He told me that the Repost option is not showing on the hamburger/More menu.   In another subgroup and I set Allow Reposts Of Messages After to 1 day and did some testing. I found that:

  • In a topic where I had posted multiple messages on 28-Mar, the Repost option only shows for the first message
  • In a topic I posted the previous day (more than 24 hours though) the Repost option is not available
  • Messages I had posted a week ago do have the Repost option.
I am not sure what process goes on behind the scenes to determine when the Repost option should be displayed or when that determination is made (dynamically or perhaps some scheduled batch process).

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:51 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending."
As long as the original poster is notified, same as "save without sending",  I don't see a real problem with allowing attachments/images to be edited.  That would give them the opportunity to see what was changed and delete their message if they don't agree.  Since those on email aren't notified of message deletions anyway, there always exists the possibility of "inconsistent records of the same message."  If anything is to be changed, I'd like to see the poster notified when a pending message is edited before being approved (for more consistency.)

Duane


moderated Re: Show amounts used from sponsorship on billing invoices #suggestion

 

And just to be complete, if sponsorships are enough to cover the entire cost of renewal, that should also be shown in the billing details, along with the balance of sponsorships following the renewal.

JohnF


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

And furthermore, you can currently edit a message to DELETE a file. How does that not result in a mismatch between the archive and the email any more than adding a file does?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:18 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
"Save without sending" changes should be reserved for fixing typos and the like...anything more substantive is revising history.
There is nothing - NOTHING - currently preventing any mod from changing a message substantially and "save without sending." Furthermore, in the case that prompted me to suggest allowing edits of files, all I wanted to do was change the name of the file, which contained a typo. So it can be the total reverse: editing a file can be a non-substantive edit, and editing message content can be substantive.

There is just no logic here that I can see for allowing one without the other.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:35 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
As Ken suggested it results in what's in the message archive and what has been sent out by email matching correctly.
And as I've said repeatedly, they don't match currently with "save without sending." A file is just more info. How is it different from the rest of the message content? I am not seeing the slightest bit of logic here.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:03 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Again: doesn't seem any different from edit by mod with "save without sending."
I feel that the online messages should present -- first and foremost -- an accurate representation of what has been previously emailed to the membership. "Save without sending" changes should be reserved for fixing typos and the like...anything more substantive is revising history.

I acknowledge that group use cases may exist where such considerations may not be important (although I can't think of one off the top of my head).

"Save and Resend" should be the only option allowed if attachments/images are edited.   
I don't see that logic.
Changing an attachment is not a trivial alteration of content, and thus fails to comply with the previously stated group ethics. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 01:03 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don't see that logic.
As Ken suggested it results in what's in the message archive and what has been sent out by email matching correctly.

Which, IMHO, they should.

Chris


moderated Re: Show amounts used from sponsorship on billing invoices #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:35 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
It would be helpful to have a breakdown of the charge and how it was paid e.g:

Annual Fee:                 $110.00
Sponsorship Funds:        $5.00
Amount Payable:         $105.00
I would also add an entry for Remaining Sponsorship to that list.

Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 04:34 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
The whole point and argument for not allowing that feature were that there would be inconsistent records of the same message,  On line would be different than those emailed out.
Again: doesn't seem any different from edit by mod with "save without sending."

"Save and Resend" should be the only option allowed if attachments/images are edited.   
I don't see that logic.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Show amounts used from sponsorship on billing invoices #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I renewed my annual legacy group subscription on 21-Mar.  The billing details show $105 but there is no mention that the other $5 came from sponsorship amounts (my $5 test when you released this feature).

It would be helpful to have a breakdown of the charge and how it was paid e.g:

Annual Fee:                 $110.00
Sponsorship Funds:        $5.00
Amount Payable:         $105.00


Currently, other than the 'Member sponsored' entry in the Activity Log, there is no other reference to the amounts that have been paid by members that I can see.

Thanks,
Andy


moderated Re: Allow adding attachment in an edit #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

The whole point and argument for not allowing that feature were that there would be inconsistent records of the same message,  On line would be different than those emailed out.

There's a good argument for not allowing editing of attachments or embedded images, 
That said, there are also good arguments to allow the feature for mods (and members also at the owner's/mod's discretion.) 
However, if the feature is implemented for anyone, it should preserve an accurate record, so "Save and Resend" should be the only option allowed if attachments/images are edited.    

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