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moderated Change/additions to email headers #update

 

Hi All,

FYI, and this should make no difference to anyone, I changed the List-Unsubscribe header that we include on all messages to be a mailto: link instead of pointing to the website. Also, I added List-Subscribe and List-Help headers. I made these changes to get rspamd, a popular anti-spam system, to recognize our messages as mailing list messages, which it was not previously doing.

Cheers, Mark


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

For your scenario Duane, I would argue that the changed message should be going out without the hashtag and as a new topic so as to avoid such muting.

Malcolm.

On 25/03/2021 14:23:38, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 05:29 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group
 
1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. 
(I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)
I'm not sure that I'd consider this a bug.  As an example:

I send a message to the group with hashtag #meeting that says "The meeting will be Tuesday at 2 pm."  Member Joe realizes he can't be there at that time, so mutes the hashtag and/or topic.  I later decide to change the meeting to Wednesday at 4 pm, so I edit the message.  This is where I think the message should be sent to everyone.  Joe may be able to go to a meeting at that time, but wouldn't know it had been changed if the edited message isn't sent to him.  On the other hand, if the edited message only has to do with details, Joe doesn't need to be notified since he can't go anyway.  Unfortunately, I can see that there are situations where the edit needs to be sent to everyone, as well as those when it doesn't.  I can't think of a solution for this.

Duane


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On 25/03/2021 16:46:40, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group
1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. (I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)
This has been fixed.
Thanks Mark. 
2. The email threading is incorrect, the new message has a new Message-ID and no reference to the old one.

We now set proper References/In-Reply-To headers referencing the original message id.
Thanks again Mark.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:41 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th,
I think it's 2021 now :-)


Is it? Ever since the pandemic, it's felt like it's eternally March 2020.....

Fixed. :-)

Mark


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
This has arisen in a free group where a poster has edited their own message. I guess it would apply if a moderator did the edit but have not tested that scenario.

When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group

1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. 
(I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)

This has been fixed.

 
2. The email threading is incorrect, the new message has a new Message-ID and no reference to the old one. For example ...
edit & send:
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:11:58 -0700
original:
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:11:58 -0700

We now set proper References/In-Reply-To headers referencing the original message id.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th,
I think it's 2021 now :-)



Andy


moderated Re: Merge several GIO groups into one as sub-groups #suggestion

Louie S
 

That's good news. It sounds exactly like what we need.  I will followup.

thanks,

-louie


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 04:05 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
At some point I will have a consolidated screen to make overall notification management easier.
That would make life easier.
 
 
Remember, no one gets any of these notifications unless and until they configure their browser (or in the future, app) to accept notifications.

I have notifications enabled in my browsers on my laptop and phone. I am also subscribed to 30+ groups and subgroups so I get the notifications for pending messages and new subscription requests etc. I don't really need extra ones for every message too. It looks like I'll be unchecking a lot of boxes.

Andy


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

Ok. Will try to remember. 😀


On Mar 25, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:00 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th, which will give people time to uncheck the boxes if they wish.
That could be an awful lot of boxes to uncheck for those who are subscribed to lots of (sub)groups.  Wouldn't it be better to opt-in rather than have to opt-out.

At some point I will have a consolidated screen to make overall notification management easier.

Remember, no one gets any of these notifications unless and until they configure their browser (or in the future, app) to accept notifications.

Thanks,
Mark

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Merge several GIO groups into one as sub-groups #suggestion

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:01 AM Louie S via groups.io <lsherwin=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
I know that this has been requested before but I asking again. It would really help if I could consolidate several closely related groups as sub-groups of the main one. This was an option of the original Yahoo migration but we didn't realize it until after our initial migrations had started. By that time the migration queue was hundreds of requests deep and it was unclear exactly how Yahoo was going to stay up.

I can move 'stand alone' groups so that they become subgroups of another group. Send an email to support with the details of what you want.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:00 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th, which will give people time to uncheck the boxes if they wish.
That could be an awful lot of boxes to uncheck for those who are subscribed to lots of (sub)groups.  Wouldn't it be better to opt-in rather than have to opt-out.

At some point I will have a consolidated screen to make overall notification management easier.

Remember, no one gets any of these notifications unless and until they configure their browser (or in the future, app) to accept notifications.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Merge several GIO groups into one as sub-groups #suggestion

Louie S
 

I know that this has been requested before but I asking again. It would really help if I could consolidate several closely related groups as sub-groups of the main one. This was an option of the original Yahoo migration but we didn't realize it until after our initial migrations had started. By that time the migration queue was hundreds of requests deep and it was unclear exactly how Yahoo was going to stay up.

Hopefully this would not be nearly as difficult as the initial migration from Yahoo.

I hope that this taken under consideration.

Thanks,

-louie


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will not turn on the sending of these notifications until Monday, March 29th, which will give people time to uncheck the boxes if they wish.
That could be an awful lot of boxes to uncheck for those who are subscribed to lots of (sub)groups.  Wouldn't it be better to opt-in rather than have to opt-out.

Andy


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

I am really concerned about this, in that case. Will members now receive notifications any time any member posts to their group? Will there be a way, and preferably an easy way, for mods to turn off the default? If not, can this please not be the default?


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:14 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
These are strictly mod notifications, right?
No, they're shown in the new panel "Member Notifications" on each group Subscription.

Duane


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:09 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
These are strictly mod notifications, right?
No, they're shown in the new panel "Member Notifications" on each group Subscription.

Duane


moderated Re: New group message and chat message notifications #update

 

I want to make sure I understand this. These are strictly mod notifications, right?
Thanks.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Duane
 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 05:29 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group
 
1. The message is sent out without regard to any hashtag muting, everyone receives it. 
(I have not tested whether topic muting is also bypassed.)
I'm not sure that I'd consider this a bug.  As an example:

I send a message to the group with hashtag #meeting that says "The meeting will be Tuesday at 2 pm."  Member Joe realizes he can't be there at that time, so mutes the hashtag and/or topic.  I later decide to change the meeting to Wednesday at 4 pm, so I edit the message.  This is where I think the message should be sent to everyone.  Joe may be able to go to a meeting at that time, but wouldn't know it had been changed if the edited message isn't sent to him.  On the other hand, if the edited message only has to do with details, Joe doesn't need to be notified since he can't go anyway.  Unfortunately, I can see that there are situations where the edit needs to be sent to everyone, as well as those when it doesn't.  I can't think of a solution for this.

Duane


moderated Re: Change of email address confirmation email not being sent #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 01:59 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
it seems that confirmation emails are not being sent to the 'new' account when an email address is changed.
Scratch that. It was just very slow per my post on GMF.

Andy


moderated Change of email address confirmation email not being sent #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

following a report on GMF and a bit of testing, it seems that confirmation emails are not being sent to the 'new' account when an email address is changed.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Edit Message followed by Save and Send to Group #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:29 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
When the poster edits and then clicks Save and Send to Group
Mark,

FYI, this is a follow up from a topic on GMF.

Andy

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