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moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

Operating between 1am and 9am Pacific time weekdays, suggests daytime in western Europe/Africa.  Not that it matters, especially for miscreants.

Andy


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 09:20 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
They seem to operate from about 1am to 9am Pacific Time, on weekdays.
Hate to make a joke out of this, but sort of like bedbugs. Except for the weekdays part. I don't think bedbugs take weekends off. :)
 
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moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:15 AM Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

Meanwhile, Mark, [ Insert pronoun of choice ] is back at it again this morning.  We are still debating making the group restricted. It is not our first choice for a variety of reasons.  I have banned the odd names.


I'm in the process of cleaning up last night's spammer members. They seem to operate from about 1am to 9am Pacific Time, on weekdays.

This continues to be my top priority.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:15 AM, Nancy C wrote:
[ Insert pronoun of choice ]
I think the commonly accepted standard for "unknown" is "they." :-)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Nancy C
 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 01:12 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Why does everyone assume this miscreant is a he? That’s sexism! 😀
I hope the above is off topic for Beta Group.

Meanwhile, Mark, [ Insert pronoun of choice ] is back at it again this morning.  We are still debating making the group restricted. It is not our first choice for a variety of reasons.  I have banned the odd names.

Thank you

Nancy C
ECIR Group Mod.


moderated Re: Hide Locked topics #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

Indeed Chris, I can't recall ever seeing a sticky topic in any of the
groups I am subscribed to. But only normally read posts via email, only
visit the web interface to do admin tasks or attachments stored as
links.

Dave

On 18 Mar 2021 at 6:27, Chris Jones via groups.io wrote:

The silly thing is that (mainly anecdotal?) evidence is that most
Groups.io subscribers rely on reading and posting by email rather than
using the web UI, and thus never or only rarely see the sticky topics
anyway.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Hide Locked topics #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 02:29 PM, WB5JJJ - George wrote:
In a couple of groups I frequent, the admins have Locked and Pinned so many topics that it is becoming a bit overwhelming.
There was a discussion 4 years ago about limiting the number of stickies that you may want to check out, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/4415612.  Because there are some groups, like the ones you mentioned, that use many, no limit was enacted.  As it currently stands, you'll need to complain to the group owner(s) to try to get them to reduce the number.

Duane


moderated Re: Hide Locked topics #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 07:29 PM, WB5JJJ - George wrote:
In a couple of groups I frequent, the admins have Locked and Pinned so many topics that it is becoming a bit overwhelming. 
The silly thing is that (mainly anecdotal?) evidence is that most Groups.io subscribers rely on reading and posting by email rather than using the web UI, and thus never or only rarely see the sticky topics anyway.

On top of that another sure - fire way of ensuring that members ignore them is to have too many of them in the first place; it's self - defeating.

Chris


moderated Re: Hide Locked topics #suggestion

 

I agree that some owners create "too many" stickies (I do try to keep them to a only a few in my group), but I think giving members the option to hide stickies would only defeat thei purpose of the sticky, which is for the moderators to bring topics to the immediate attention attention of group members. I would not be opposed to having a separate section for stickies, but I think some group owners might complain about that.

Hiding locked topics is not really an issue since they don't stay at the top unless pinned.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Hide Locked topics #suggestion

WB5JJJ - George <wb5jjj@...>
 

In a couple of groups I frequent, the admins have Locked and Pinned so many topics that it is becoming a bit overwhelming. 

I use a larger text font (150%) than most folks and that eliminated the "menu" on the left side (OK), but it puts a very LARGE menu-type dialog at the bottom of the page in its place.  Typically, I have to scroll down a bunch to get past all the clutter at the top in order to get to a current topic. 

It seems that some owners of these groups just lock and pin everything, and that causes problems.  Many of them were/are relevant, informative and of interest ONCE, but not every time I visit the page.  So, I would like to suggest that users be given the ability to HIDE any locked or pinned topic so I would not be occupying real estate that could be used for new topics.  Of course, one might want to unhide a topic, so some sort of mechanics to do this would also be necessary.  

George


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

I think all this discussion about how people sign up for a group, is off-topic for this (Beta) group.

Andy


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 01:00 AM, Andy wrote:
What does bother me is we're not stopping read-only "bad guys" from joining / reading about us.  I'll grant you that. 
A problem that will probably stop immediately if you change your group to Restricted; spammers don't respond to Pending Subscription messages!

So far, it's a small price.  I'm sure others have a different opinion on that.
No price to pay for you, only those who find your group's messages being forwarded to them by the spammers suffer from it. 

Chris


moderated Re: A couple of subgroup bugs #bug

 

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 6:59 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Found these while doing some testing for subgroups.

When creating a subgroup, in the Visibility box, the first choice is "Subgroup listed in parent group, messages publicy viewable".  publicy is missing the second l (ell).  (Probably just a lack of coffee that day since the boss is so mean. ;>)

When deleting a subgroup, there's a red warning that the name can't be reused for some length of time.  This is correct for a main group, but doesn't apply to subgroup names, so isn't needed.

These have been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

Why does everyone assume this miscreant is a he? That’s sexism! 😀


On Mar 17, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:



Hi Mark

He's back at it on our group. I am banning these odd names.

Just wanted you to know.

Thanks

Nancy C
ECIR Group Mod


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Nancy C
 

Hi Mark

He's back at it on our group. I am banning these odd names.

Just wanted you to know.

Thanks

Nancy C
ECIR Group Mod


moderated A couple of subgroup bugs #bug

Duane
 

Found these while doing some testing for subgroups.

When creating a subgroup, in the Visibility box, the first choice is "Subgroup listed in parent group, messages publicy viewable".  publicy is missing the second l (ell).  (Probably just a lack of coffee that day since the boss is so mean. ;>)

When deleting a subgroup, there's a red warning that the name can't be reused for some length of time.  This is correct for a main group, but doesn't apply to subgroup names, so isn't needed.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

re: "Out of curiosity, why would you allow members that you can't speak with?"

It is an international group.  I might be in the minority as American.  I know there are Vietnamese members and many others.  I don't speak Vietnamese or Belarusian or Hindi, and maybe none of our other Moderators do.  Everything in the group happens in English, which forces many of them to use online translators or co-workers to try to converse with the rest of us in English.  The content of the group is rather technical, so 90% of it is tech-talk without the need to really understand the language beyond the main points.

I think we would know it if someone was spamming the group.

(What does bother me is we're not stopping read-only "bad guys" from joining / reading about us.  I'll grant you that.  So far, it's a small price.  I'm sure others have a different opinion on that.)

Andy


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 05:36 PM, Duane wrote:
Out of curiosity, why would you allow members that you can't speak with?
Good question! I'm scratching my head on that one, too.

 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:26 PM, Andy wrote:
Please note, the things you are suggesting we do (making the group Restricted) fixes a problem that doesn't exist.
I believe it would fix a problem that does exist.  They couldn't get in, so couldn't do any damage to your other members.  I initially had my groups 'open', but went to Restricted on all of them.  Yes, it's a bit of work, but not so much that it can't be shared.

Out of curiosity, why would you allow members that you can't speak with?  Doesn't seem to me that there could be much information exchanged.  It would also have me wondering if members were spamming the group or having a valid discussion.

Duane


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

Please note, the things you are suggesting we do (making the group Restricted) fixes a problem that doesn't exist.

FYI, I brought up this issue about the newly subscribed AOL members because it looked like Groups.io was under another attack.  I think I was right about that.  I was not asking Mark to protect **our** group.

Andy

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