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moderated A couple of subgroup bugs #bug

Duane
 

Found these while doing some testing for subgroups.

When creating a subgroup, in the Visibility box, the first choice is "Subgroup listed in parent group, messages publicy viewable".  publicy is missing the second l (ell).  (Probably just a lack of coffee that day since the boss is so mean. ;>)

When deleting a subgroup, there's a red warning that the name can't be reused for some length of time.  This is correct for a main group, but doesn't apply to subgroup names, so isn't needed.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

re: "Out of curiosity, why would you allow members that you can't speak with?"

It is an international group.  I might be in the minority as American.  I know there are Vietnamese members and many others.  I don't speak Vietnamese or Belarusian or Hindi, and maybe none of our other Moderators do.  Everything in the group happens in English, which forces many of them to use online translators or co-workers to try to converse with the rest of us in English.  The content of the group is rather technical, so 90% of it is tech-talk without the need to really understand the language beyond the main points.

I think we would know it if someone was spamming the group.

(What does bother me is we're not stopping read-only "bad guys" from joining / reading about us.  I'll grant you that.  So far, it's a small price.  I'm sure others have a different opinion on that.)

Andy


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 05:36 PM, Duane wrote:
Out of curiosity, why would you allow members that you can't speak with?
Good question! I'm scratching my head on that one, too.

 
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moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:26 PM, Andy wrote:
Please note, the things you are suggesting we do (making the group Restricted) fixes a problem that doesn't exist.
I believe it would fix a problem that does exist.  They couldn't get in, so couldn't do any damage to your other members.  I initially had my groups 'open', but went to Restricted on all of them.  Yes, it's a bit of work, but not so much that it can't be shared.

Out of curiosity, why would you allow members that you can't speak with?  Doesn't seem to me that there could be much information exchanged.  It would also have me wondering if members were spamming the group or having a valid discussion.

Duane


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

Please note, the things you are suggesting we do (making the group Restricted) fixes a problem that doesn't exist.

FYI, I brought up this issue about the newly subscribed AOL members because it looked like Groups.io was under another attack.  I think I was right about that.  I was not asking Mark to protect **our** group.

Andy


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time nor the means to hire a staff of international workers to screen every potential group member.  It's just not practical.  We are unpaid volunteers.  I do enough unpaid volunteer work already, I can't afford to hire several watchdogs.  Sorry.

Yeah, I realize it is a can of worms, it's been like that for decades.  It is a changing world so it doesn't excuse it, for sure.

We already have several group moderators.  We are all unpaid volunteers.  We don't speak all the world's languages.

Andy


moderated Re: Member can still post a message with a hashtag set to Use by Mods Only #bug

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 4:02 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

If a hashtag is marked as Moderated and also Use by Mods Only, a member can post a message that appears in the pending message list. So, it seems that the Moderated attribute takes priority over Use by Mods Only.  If a hashtag is set as Use by Mods Only, shouldn't that take priority?

I've made this fix.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Repost error with restricted repost hashtag #bug

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 4:00 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

if a member tries to repost a message the system adds a #repost hashtag. However, if this hashtag had the 'Use by Mods Only' attribute set, the member is left hanging with a blank screen after clicking Yes to confirm the repost.

I've changed it so that if the #repost hashtag is set to `Use by Mods Only` then the Repost option should only be shown to moderators.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

Good thoughts. It’s like a community here. Vaccinate your group from this disease! 


On Mar 16, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:13 PM, Andy wrote:
I've got too many members from all around the world, to manually approve each and every one who wants to join, and many barely speak my language.
Then IMHO you are just asking for trouble, and it isn't just trouble for you but can be a problem for all sorts of people with no connection with Groups.io or any group hosted by it.

Perhaps if you have too many members from all around the world you need to appoint some moderators to help. Use of the Restricted Membership capability and the Pending Subscription message that it enables will usually stop spammers in their tracks because they will either not provide a meaningful response or (more likely) no response whatsoever.

We all have a part to play in keeping Groups.io free of troublemakers; I'm afraid that your current approach is likely to have the opposite effect. The Spam Control section of Settings is called Spam Control for a reason...

Chris

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:13 PM, Andy wrote:
I've got too many members from all around the world, to manually approve each and every one who wants to join, and many barely speak my language.
Then IMHO you are just asking for trouble, and it isn't just trouble for you but can be a problem for all sorts of people with no connection with Groups.io or any group hosted by it.

Perhaps if you have too many members from all around the world you need to appoint some moderators to help. Use of the Restricted Membership capability and the Pending Subscription message that it enables will usually stop spammers in their tracks because they will either not provide a meaningful response or (more likely) no response whatsoever.

We all have a part to play in keeping Groups.io free of troublemakers; I'm afraid that your current approach is likely to have the opposite effect. The Spam Control section of Settings is called Spam Control for a reason...

Chris


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

>>> I've got too many members from all around the world, to manually approve each and every one who wants to join, and many barely speak my language.

Allowing folks to join but keeping them moderated is still unsafe because you are letting them enter inside your house unchecked.

>>> But I'll gladly restrict them from posting until I know they are real.

Yeah, but they are already inside, and while they may not post, they can still receive email/harvest addresses or do other crap they shouldn't be doing, all day long, and there is nothing you can do about it because you are enabling/facilitating it.  If that rush of AOL address was a single one instead, you's have made nothing of it and wouldn't have reported it, and it would stay there NMM for years, quietly doing its thing.

Manual member approval (Restricted Membership checked) stops them at the door, and the only way they can come in if you let them.

Cheers,
Christos




moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:13 PM, Andy wrote:
Restricted in what way? 
As in the group settings:



Andy


moderated Re: Show waitlist count on RSVP event details summary #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Can we have a count of those on a waitlist in the summary please?
I see this has been done already.

Many thanks.
Andy


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Andy
 

Chris wrote, "Is your group restricted or not? If not, then it needs to be ASAP."

Restricted in what way?  Anyone can join, but new members are Moderated.  I've got too many members from all around the world, to manually approve each and every one who wants to join, and many barely speak my language.  But I'll gladly restrict them from posting until I know they are real.

Mark wrote, "This is the spammer at it again."

That's exactly what I thought, which is why I posted it here.  Thank you!

Andy


moderated Re: Email System Reporting Groups.io as Potential Spam #bug

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 4:00 PM Sam M Cohen <samc@...> wrote:
When sending a message to one of my groups, I "receive" the message as a group member, with the shown security warning:


According to the email service, the Groups.IO service seems to be sending as the @ieee.org email address.  Since this is an external service, the receiving email system can not verify that @groups.io is authorized to send on behalf of IEEE.  This is why the message is flagged.

I have set it so that messages from ieee.org addresses back to themselves will have the From line re-written. This should fix the problem.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
If I read these numbers correctly --

8% of our group's AOL.com members subscribed within the last 4 hours.  Our group has been here for 19 years, and on groups.io for the last 2-5 years.

That seems unusual, right?  Also unusual that every one of today's new members is an AOL.com address.

(Hmm, I also note that another AOL address was banned today by Groups.io, but it wasn't one of today's new subscribers.)


.... and now all your new bogus subscribers should be removed. 

This is the spammer at it again. He creates tons of Yahoo/AOL/AIM accounts and subscribes them to as many groups as he can. He then forwards the emails he receives from those groups to random people. I have no idea why he does this. But it's like a game of whack a mole.

I am continuing to work on measures to prevent this from happening. I am thinking about adding a 'Report This Member' button so that group moderators can help. But I haven't done any work on that yet.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Email System Reporting Groups.io as Potential Spam #bug

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 05:59 PM, Sam M Cohen wrote:
Can anything be done to eliminate this issue?
It looks like ieee.org uses gmail as the underlying service.  Mark will need to add it to the list of sites using it so that the From: line is rewritten to remove the warning.  See https://groups.io/helpcenter/faq/1/group-member-faq/q-why-do-i-get-a-spoofing  I'm a little surprised this hasn't come up before with ieee.org addresses.

Duane


moderated Re: Member receiving msgs from non-subscribed groups #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 01:54 PM, Andy wrote:
Our group had a rash of brand new subscribers this morning, almost all of them from AOL addresses.  It might be nothing, but it's slightly suspicious.

It's more than a dozen so far, and more than half arrived over a span of just a few minutes.
Is your group restricted or not? If not, then it needs to be ASAP.

Chris


moderated Re: Allow formatting options on rejected message pop-up panel #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Can we have the same formatting options on the rejected message panel that we have when typing a normal message?
I thought I'd try and give this a nudge as it has been almost a year since the initial suggestion.

Regards
Andy


moderated Show waitlist count on RSVP event details summary #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

when viewing responses for an RSVP event, the summary details do not include a count of those on a waitlist even though they can be seen in the list of responders below.


The quickest way to get the number currently is to sort the responders list by response type and then do a manual count.  Can we have a count of those on a waitlist in the summary please?

Thanks
Andy

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