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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

February 12th, 2021

  • DOCS: Updates from Nina to the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
  • CHANGE: On the edit subscription and group member pages, under Advanced Preferences, Auto Follow Replies has been moved under Following Only. When Following Only is not checked, both First Message Also and Auto Follow Replies are now disabled and unchecked. When Following Only is checked, Auto Follow Replies is now automatically checked. Discussion.

February 11th, 2021

  • CHANGE: When editing your subscription or a member's subscription, if Email Delivery is set to Special or No Email and the Message Selection is changed from All Messages, force Email Delivery to Individual Messages. Conversely, if Email Delivery is changed to Special or No Email, force Message Selection to All and uncheck Auto Follow Replies. Discussion.
  • BUGFIX: When displaying a text-only message, if a link ended in a < or >, we would improperly include that in the link.

February 8th, 2021

  • BUGFIX: If a pending message rejection member notice had quotes in it, they would display as escaped when editing the message in the pending message screen. Discussion.
  • CHANGE: New groups are now subject to per-member pricing. Discussion.
  • CHANGE: Premium groups now have 30GB of storage.
  • CHANGE: The Member count on group home pages and search results now no longer includes Not Confirmed members.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Thanks for the fixes Mark!

>>> a new subscription page similar

That's neat, that means my remaining grey matter is still working OK more or less, with the occasional misfire :)

Speaking of misfires, I realized yesterday that in the proposed version I had missed accounting for "Web-only" users (thanks J).  Adding a "Web Only/Online Only" delivery method to the four existing ones took care of it and which now completes the picture.

Also as was suggested, I went over and made sure "email" vs "message" is used in as much a clear and concise way in the text as I could, plus some other text suggestions and my own OCD tweaks.  The updated proposal is attached. 

I also put down the sub screen story on another graphic, user & usage cases and display/logic/mailing rules, also attached.  With the use case info in there it's also easy to write a "Help me decide" user manual page that puts things in context and further explains and shows how to set up the settings to achieve whatever message filtering the user wants, then have a button/link to it in the sub screen.

Any feedback is appreciated to make sure I didn't miss anything. (again)

Cheers,
Christos

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 07:43 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,
 
I've been following the discussion. I started to implement a new subscription page similar to what Christos proposed. But I decided, at least for now, to go with a couple smaller changes:
 
When editing your subscription or a member's subscription, if Email Delivery is set to `Special` or `No Email` and the Message Selection is changed from `All Messages`, we now force Email Delivery to `Individual Messages`. Conversely, if Email Delivery is changed to `Special` or `No Email`, we now force Message Selection to `All` and uncheck Auto Follow Replies.
 
Please let me know if you have any questions.
 
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 2:52 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

the Default Sub Settings page still has the old layout. Are you planning to update this also?

Thanks for the reminder; I had forgotten that page. It's been changed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 08:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've now made the following changes to the edit subscription and group member pages:

  • Under Advanced Preferences, Auto Follow Replies has been moved under Following Only.
  • When Following Only is not checked, both First Message Also and Auto Follow Replies are now disabled and unchecked.
  • When Following Only is checked, Auto Follow Replies is now automatically checked.
Hi Mark,

the Default Sub Settings page still has the old layout. Are you planning to update this also?

Andy


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Great! I think this solves this problem.
Since FO now automatically includes Auto Follow Replies, you could instead just remove the AFR option and add explanatory text to FO. But either way works!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 07:05 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

What's still missing is that Auto-Follow Replies would be more useful (and intuitive) if made subservient to Following Only. The direction that's not a big deal is that checking Auto-Follow Replies without checking FO has no effect (since the person is getting all messages anyway). But the converse is problematic: someone who checks FO assumes, as in some other platforms, that they will automatically follow their own replies. They don't understand that they also need to separately check Auto-Follow Replies. I've had several members fall into this trap. They clearly wanted to follow their own messages/topics and checked FO alone. I had to explain that they wouldn't get their messages/topics that way. After my announcement, they went in and checked Auto-Follow Replies.

I've now made the following changes to the edit subscription and group member pages:

  • Under Advanced Preferences, Auto Follow Replies has been moved under Following Only.
  • When Following Only is not checked, both First Message Also and Auto Follow Replies are now disabled and unchecked.
  • When Following Only is checked, Auto Follow Replies is now automatically checked.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Drafts policy change #update

KWKloeber
 


>>>What happens if a draft is edited? Does that reset the expiration?
Based on a quick test, no reset
<<<


Has anyone confirmed whether the trash-the-draft date is based on the first-typed date, or the last-edit date?  (I realize the first-typed date continues to display even after uptrend edits.)

If the former scenario applies I suggest that Mark consider switching to the latter scenario (last-edit date.)

 


moderated Re: Ability to "Star" a message or thread #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

I note that “favoriting” was a feature that Y!Choo introduced (I believe right after the NEO “better idea”) and it was so very useful to keep track of certain oft-used replies to oft-asked questions (copy,paste,edit,paste into a reply to the latest oft-asked question.) Unfortunately for whatever reason Y!Choo discontinued after a short period of time, maybe a few months.

It would be a great addition here. 


moderated Ability to "Star" a message or thread #suggestion

Yvette Money <yveterinarian@...>
 

Good morning, I have been wondering if we could re-visit the idea of being able to "Star" messages or topics we would each like to be able to find quickly?  I know this has been suggested before as based on Mark's answer in the old thread https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/10048 .  I realize hashtags have a good purpose, but in many groups the members either do not know how to use them properly or don't use them at all.  If a member could just add a star to any message they feel is useful to them and wish to refer back to easily, it would make it much easier for them to find it later.  This would make the Groups.io experience more individualized for each member and would, in the long run, be more user friendly for them.  Many hashtags end up with so many messages and topics within them that it still takes quite a while to search for that one specific thing they are searching for.  Many times, by the time they would like to look for that message (or topic) they have forgotten the name  but have a vague "memory" of something they want to see again.

Also, in my case, I am an owner of a Group and often go to the GMF for ideas and solutions to assist my members.  Whenever there is a good solution that I want to remember and refer to again I do a search on the GMF and have trouble finding the messages I am looking for (mostly because I can't remember the wording I used to aske the question).  I have resorted to copying the whole thread onto my computer and saving it there.  Being able to "star" a message or thread would be very beneficial for me and, hopefully others using Groups.io.

Yvette in Ontario


moderated Re: Per-member pricing rollout delayed again #update

Anthony Angelo
 

I don't know how you get everything done that you do. Family/kids or not, you seem to always be making things happen.
Anthony


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 04:43 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
if Email Delivery is set to `Special` or `No Email` and the Message Selection is changed from `All Messages`, we now force Email Delivery to `Individual Messages`.
That works. Someone wanting to follow topics will now get those messages.

if Email Delivery is changed to `Special` or `No Email`, we now force Message Selection to `All` and uncheck Auto Follow Replies.
That also makes sense. It's less necessary than the first change but it eliminates some confusion.

What's still missing is that Auto-Follow Replies would be more useful (and intuitive) if made subservient to Following Only. The direction that's not a big deal is that checking Auto-Follow Replies without checking FO has no effect (since the person is getting all messages anyway). But the converse is problematic: someone who checks FO assumes, as in some other platforms, that they will automatically follow their own replies. They don't understand that they also need to separately check Auto-Follow Replies. I've had several members fall into this trap. They clearly wanted to follow their own messages/topics and checked FO alone. I had to explain that they wouldn't get their messages/topics that way. After my announcement, they went in and checked Auto-Follow Replies.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Hi All,

I've been following the discussion. I started to implement a new subscription page similar to what Christos proposed. But I decided, at least for now, to go with a couple smaller changes:

When editing your subscription or a member's subscription, if Email Delivery is set to `Special` or `No Email` and the Message Selection is changed from `All Messages`, we now force Email Delivery to `Individual Messages`. Conversely, if Email Delivery is changed to `Special` or `No Email`, we now force Message Selection to `All` and uncheck Auto Follow Replies.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark




moderated Re: Tried to pay on trial group created before price model change #misc

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:13 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 09:52 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
You're signing up for the Premium plan ($220 for up to 500 members, with additional members $0.44, billed yearly).
Clarification please.  On the Pricing page, it says "with additional members $0.04/month or $0.40/year"  (Similar for Enterprise, "$0.20/month or $2.00/year")

Oof. Fixed. It's $0.44/$2.20, correct on the upgrade page, was incorrect on the pricing page.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Tried to pay on trial group created before price model change #misc

Duane
 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 09:52 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
You're signing up for the Premium plan ($220 for up to 500 members, with additional members $0.44, billed yearly).
Clarification please.  On the Pricing page, it says "with additional members $0.04/month or $0.40/year"  (Similar for Enterprise, "$0.20/month or $2.00/year")

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Tried to pay on trial group created before price model change #misc

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 7:48 AM EdHutton <EdHutton@...> wrote:

I just tried to pay for a group I created before the per member pricing change. 'BiomedicalWorld' is the group. It was created on Feb. 1st - all the payment screens indicated the new per member pricing model would be used.  Is this correct?

Yes, that is correct. On the Upgrade screen, you should have seen something like:

You're signing up for the Premium plan ($220 for up to 500 members, with additional members $0.44, billed yearly). Once we successfully process payment, we'll immediately upgrade your group.
The bill for this year is $220.00.
Thanks for supporting Groups.io!

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Tried to pay on trial group created before price model change #misc

EdHutton
 

Mark,

I just tried to pay for a group I created before the per member pricing change. 'BiomedicalWorld' is the group. It was created on Feb. 1st - all the payment screens indicated the new per member pricing model would be used.  Is this correct?

Thank you for creating groups.io. I was an owner on another list for 20 years. Groups.io is far better. I have been working hard to learn the groups.io details.

Ed Hutton





moderated #suggestion Multiple and/or blanket RSVP for sub/group #suggestion

Alwin
 

Instead of only individual viewevent?eventid= RSVPs, also allow multiple events to be RSVPd, with a single click of Will Attend or Not Sure, after multi-selecting.

Related, but maybe worthy of separate #suggestion thread: Option to blanket RSVP to all a subgroup's events automatically, then leave it up the user to switch their choices around reminder time or later, if they have something come up.


moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

I think I may have just got to the bottom of this. At least to the bottom of the cause of the bug if not to the actual fixes needed.

With my account set to UTC, I was seeing events in /feed showing 8 hours out BUT if I set my timezone in Windows 10 to PST, the display in /feed is correct.

So Mark, I venture to suggest that the reason you cannot reproduce the bug is that, even when you change your account time to UTC, you still have your OS time set to PST.

Well, that's my best guess to date anyway, Malcollm.

-- 
Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...>


moderated Re: Per-member pricing is live #update

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 1:49 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 05:14 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Also, a related change is that the member count on group home pages now does not include non-confirmed members.
And also does not include "Bouncers", both blue and red. Was that intentional?

Yes, those are also no longer counted.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 04:56 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
at least there are no typaws.
:-)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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