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moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Mike Hanauer
 

Thanks Mark (I am the one who brought up the "tom" example.

I have never been able to find documentation of how search works, for all searchable items, and what fields are searched. That would be helpful.

Also, I have never been able to find a search feature within help. That too would be most helpful (or did it miss it?).

AllTheBest.

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    ~Mike


On Thursday, January 28, 2021, 04:07:16 PM EST, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


Hello,

The bad member search results should now be fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Search amongst members, from subsequent page of a previous search, does not display those found #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:11 AM Jeremy H via groups.io <jeremygharrison=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
If I search my group for jom I get 7 hits, for tom 113 hits (this background info: whether they are correct is that issue, not this one)
If after searching for tom, I move to a subsequent page (second or third), and then change search to jom (by putting jom in search box, and pressing enter, or clicking the search icon), altough it says it is showing 1-7 of 7, it does not display them.(see attached). Note: if I then click one of the column headings (to sort...), they do display.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

 

Hello,

The bad member search results should now be fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Follow-Topic emailer logic/code is missing hashtag(s) under some certain condition #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:33 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
so I'm trying the attachment by email now...

That did work, and testing attaching (that same file or others) in this online reply seems to work now, must had been something transient.  Oh well.


moderated Re: Follow-Topic emailer logic/code is missing hashtag(s) under some certain condition #bug

 

>>> see attached ...


Well, it seems the S3 link is is having problems again, or something in beta, not sure; my previous message was composed online and even if it went through the motions of uploading the attachment, the message posted without it.

I tried it again posting online, trying this time to do the attachment twice, still nothing showed up in the editor area, so I'm trying the attachment by email now...

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Follow-Topic emailer logic/code is missing hashtag(s) under some certain condition #bug

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 07:00 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
it almost looks like it initially takes only one poster to reply and somehow cause the hashtag to not be applied, then anyone replying to that "bad" message continues the missing hashtag trend, until some point in time when someone will reply to a "good" message and it now restores the normal hashtag inclusion on that post's replies, but then it takes another poster to reply to a "bad" message and the cycle repeats.  Most likely the replies that are causing this are by email only but I'm not sure.

Yes, it is that, see attached; I was able to piece it together from the Topic view screen and the messages which had quoted text. 

The code is not checking/adding the hashtag to the subject, for Indiv+FO+FF+FR users at least.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Search amongst members, from subsequent page of a previous search, does not display those found #bug

Jeremy H
 

Coming out of topic https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/80139948 (issue searching for tom or jom), on me trying things:

If I search my group for jom I get 7 hits, for tom 113 hits (this background info: whether they are correct is that issue, not this one)
If after searching for tom, I move to a subsequent page (second or third), and then change search to jom (by putting jom in search box, and pressing enter, or clicking the search icon), altough it says it is showing 1-7 of 7, it does not display them.(see attached). Note: if I then click one of the column headings (to sort...), they do display.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Jeremy H
 

New topic started as suggeste - awaiting approval.

Jeremy


On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Joanie wrote:
Jeremy,

The lack of displaying the information is a new bug. We should probably keep this topic focused on the search issue only.

Why don't you start a new topic for the failure to display the search information. Very interesting but it makes for confusion in a defect reporting and bug fixing. We can all help narrow it down in the new topic.

Hugs,

Joanie


moderated Follow-Topic emailer logic/code is missing hashtag(s) under some certain condition #bug

 

Hi Mark,

Here's another FollowingOnly weirdness I noticed a couple of days ago, and it probably has to do with the same logic/code area you worked on to fix this similar FO messages missing group tag issue a while back: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/69924762

See attached, the "Samuel's Paid User Proposal" topic, some of the replies are missing the #suggestion hashtag.  I obviously cannot test this on the actual topic without actually posting something, but it almost looks like it initially takes only one poster to reply and somehow cause the hashtag to not be applied, then anyone replying to that "bad" message continues the missing hashtag trend, until some point in time when someone will reply to a "good" message and it now restores the normal hashtag inclusion on that post's replies, but then it takes another poster to reply to a "bad" message and the cycle repeats.  Most likely the replies that are causing this are by email only but I'm not sure.

I guess it happens only to Follow users, but I don't know for sure; someone from us who is a beta member with individual but not FO setting and uses email, and may have either saved locally the "Samuel's Paid User Proposal" topic, or they see their name in the list under one of the missing hashtag messages and check their sent folder to see what went out in their reply, it should have the hashtag.  Or maybe look into their deleted but recoverable email folder if their client/email system has that.

I only caught this because that thread was so big the condition came to visual view at once when I looked at the email folder where it was downloaded into; it went (visually) undetected during the normal daily FO mailings trickle, it's not limited to the catch-up part of the FO mailer, it also happens during regular everyday FO mailings of that topic's messages.  I went back to my recoverable deleted items folder* and looked at the original messages of that same topic sent to me as part of the normal daily FO/follow-topic mailing for that topic, and the originals matched the same (as attached) missing-hashtag results I got when I unfollowed and refollowed that topic and got everything catch-up-emailed to me again.

Cheers,
Christos

* Outlook hosting is good for something after all!



moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:51 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:
I wonder if there’s something in the membership group or subgroup name that’s being found.
Check out last year's discussion on membership searches as it may provide more info.

Andy


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 04:56 PM, Duane wrote:
Without quotes, it appears to be looking for the characters in the sequence given in the search.  Looking for tom also finds all of the hoTmail.cOM addresses, but there are others that don't fit that mold.  Maybe it's those characters in any order?
It does looks like it's looking for *T*O*M*, (not *TOM*), in that order, but anywhere in the text (addy+domain), and only for email addresses:  I tried it on a 5-member test group, and it only returned one: amdTemp...@...OM, the only one who fits the pattern.  I then added the text tom to a different member's profile name and while it (correctly this time) picked that one up as well, changing it to toam or taom did not catch it now.  So it only does it in the email address field, and since .com is omnipresent, it only takes just one more letter-matching to return that many "matches".

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Minor text rearranging in MyGroups->SetDeliveryMethod dialog #suggestion

 

While I had not encountered this situation yet, I’ll agree with Christos on this one. ‘Nit-picking grammar’ has been a forte of mine for some time.

 

Dan Tucker, Groups.io  AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator

 

From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of "Christos G. Psarras" <christos@...>
Reply-To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 8:31 AM
To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: [beta] Minor text rearranging in MyGroups->SetDeliveryMethod dialog #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

This is just the (nit-picky) grammarian in me, but this dialog question text could stand to be rearranged:

 

 

Changing it to "Set [this/these] x group[s] to No Email?" would make it more grammatically correct, plus move the delivery method (the only important part of the question really) at the end where it doesn't get "camouflaged" within the text but "stands-out" more, since we read left to right; casing the delivery method would also contribute to (visual) consistency across the platform.

Cheers,
Christos

 


moderated Minor text rearranging in MyGroups->SetDeliveryMethod dialog #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

This is just the (nit-picky) grammarian in me, but this dialog question text could stand to be rearranged:



Changing it to "Set [this/these] x group[s] to No Email?" would make it more grammatically correct, plus move the delivery method (the only important part of the question really) at the end where it doesn't get "camouflaged" within the text but "stands-out" more, since we read left to right; casing the delivery method would also contribute to (visual) consistency across the platform.

Cheers,
Christos



moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Joanie
 

Jeremy,

The lack of displaying the information is a new bug. We should probably keep this topic focused on the search issue only.

Why don't you start a new topic for the failure to display the search information. Very interesting but it makes for confusion in a defect reporting and bug fixing. We can all help narrow it down in the new topic.

Hugs,

Joanie


moderated Calendar not displayed correctly after Back button when editing an event #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

When editing a calendar event, using the Back button at the bottom of the page causes a blank calendar screen due to a malformed calstart parameter in the URL. The current format is calstart=dd.mm.yyyy whereas it should be calstart=yyyy-mm-dd.

FYI I emailed support@groups.io about this back in March 2019 (ticket 8299) so I thought it worth another nudge :-)

Cheers
Andy


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Jeremy H
 

A quick test on one of my groups found lots on searching for tom (t anywhere, including only after the @ (e.g. in hotmail.com), with ~om at end, or matching *o*omot*@*.*o.* (changing all other characters to single *); but only a few for jom , only finding adresses starting jo~ and ending .com (but not starting  jp~, or starting jo~ with m  in a different place). Curious. 

Searching for som and pom (in same group) only found four (each) - with ~so~ or ~po~ in address, and ending ~om. At first glance, a seemingly random selection...

Another curiosity: if on subsequent screenfulls (i.e. not first) of my search for tom (found >100), I change search argument to jom, and press enter (to search), it say is giving me 1 to 7 of 7 (that it normally does for that search), but does not display any of them, until  I click a column header to sort them.

jeremy


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Joanie
 

Sarah,

What a great find. I tried "som" and it found all that have an "s" anywhere in the email and end in "om". It did not pick up on a name with s in it.

Then I tried "pam" to find "Paige" and ending in "m" but that did not find anything. "pa" was not in the email address.

The I tried including the quotes literally ("tom") and that did not find anything where as without the quotes found numerous ones.

Not sure what the search rules are. Someone mentioned a wild card character of *

Joanie


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

jakkdaw
 

Typing tom seems to bring up all those with a t anywhere and ending .com
 
Typing gom, jom etc seems to bring up all those with a go, jo etc anywhere and ending .com

I haven't checked the whole alphabet though.

Sarah


moderated Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 03:21 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Try Tom*.
While that will work for Display names, it doesn't include email addresses.  Unless/until Mark has a chance to figure out what's going on, try including the search term in quotes - "tom".

It also seems to be related to the length of the search string.  While tom and toms have problems, david seems to work fine, but 5 letter searches don't unless they have a space on both ends.

Without quotes, it appears to be looking for the characters in the sequence given in the search.  Looking for tom also finds all of the hoTmail.cOM addresses, but there are others that don't fit that mold.  Maybe it's those characters in any order?

Duane


moderated Re: Maybe slightly-rearrange the AccountConfirm message content? #suggestion

 

Thanks Duane, I obviously overlooked that detail.

Hmmm, but maybe there is another way to achieve that intent. Maybe with an “Unsubscribe” – although worded differently – choice. Open, dead ends, and incomplete exchanges are frustrating to me. I’ve always been one for two-way exchange – even if it’s to say ‘I’m not interested.’ And/but getting people to demonstrate even that much ‘consideration’ can be difficult so should be made simple. Maybe put in a “GET LOST!” link that they could invoke to both vent their frustration at being approached and let you they’re not interested at the same time.

 

Dan Tucker, Groups.io  AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator

 

From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Duane <txpigeon@...>
Reply-To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:36 PM
To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Maybe slightly-rearrange the AccountConfirm message content? #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 03:17 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:

“If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email address, please ignore this email.” Change to: “If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email address, please ignore this email reply to let us know so we can remove your address from our data.” – (“…or list.”)

It seems to me that could cause other complications.  The Confirmation of Email Address is sent by the system, so any replies wouldn't be seen by any group.  As it works, that would be seen as confirmation since they replied as noted further up the message, "If you only want to send and receive messages, reply to this email to confirm your email address and activate your membership."

Duane

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