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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:51 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:
I wonder if there’s something in the membership group or subgroup name that’s being found.Check out last year's discussion on membership searches as it may provide more info. Andy
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 04:56 PM, Duane wrote:
Without quotes, it appears to be looking for the characters in the sequence given in the search. Looking for tom also finds all of the hoTmail.cOM addresses, but there are others that don't fit that mold. Maybe it's those characters in any order?It does looks like it's looking for *T*O*M*, (not *TOM*), in that order, but anywhere in the text (addy+domain), and only for email addresses: I tried it on a 5-member test group, and it only returned one: amdTemp...@...OM, the only one who fits the pattern. I then added the text tom to a different member's profile name and while it (correctly this time) picked that one up as well, changing it to toam or taom did not catch it now. So it only does it in the email address field, and since .com is omnipresent, it only takes just one more letter-matching to return that many "matches". Cheers, Christos
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Re: Minor text rearranging in MyGroups->SetDeliveryMethod dialog
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While I had not encountered this situation yet, I’ll agree with Christos on this one. ‘Nit-picking grammar’ has been a forte of mine for some time.
Dan Tucker, Groups.io AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator
From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of "Christos G. Psarras" <christos@...>
Hi Mark, This is just the (nit-picky) grammarian in me, but this dialog question text could stand to be rearranged:
Changing it to "Set [this/these] x group[s] to No Email?" would make it more grammatically correct, plus move the delivery method (the only important part of the question really) at the end where it doesn't get "camouflaged" within the text but "stands-out" more, since we read left to right; casing the delivery method would also contribute to (visual) consistency across the platform. Cheers,
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Minor text rearranging in MyGroups->SetDeliveryMethod dialog
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Hi Mark, This is just the (nit-picky) grammarian in me, but this dialog question text could stand to be rearranged:
Changing it to "Set [this/these] x group[s] to No Email?" would make it more grammatically correct, plus move the delivery method (the only important part of the question really) at the end where it doesn't get "camouflaged" within the text but "stands-out" more, since we read left to right; casing the delivery method would also contribute to (visual) consistency across the platform. Cheers,
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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Jeremy,
The lack of displaying the information is a new bug. We should probably keep this topic focused on the search issue only. Why don't you start a new topic for the failure to display the search information. Very interesting but it makes for confusion in a defect reporting and bug fixing. We can all help narrow it down in the new topic. Hugs, Joanie
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Calendar not displayed correctly after Back button when editing an event
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Hi Mark,
When editing a calendar event, using the Back button at the bottom of the page causes a blank calendar screen due to a malformed calstart parameter in the URL. The current format is calstart=dd.mm.yyyy whereas it should be calstart=yyyy-mm-dd. Cheers Andy
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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Jeremy H
A quick test on one of my groups found lots on searching for tom (t anywhere, including only after the @ (e.g. in hotmail.com), with ~om at end, or matching *o*omot*@*.*o.* (changing all other characters to single *); but only a few for jom , only finding adresses starting jo~ and ending .com (but not starting jp~, or starting jo~ with m in a different place). Curious.
Searching for som and pom (in same group) only found four (each) - with ~so~ or ~po~ in address, and ending ~om. At first glance, a seemingly random selection... Another curiosity: if on subsequent screenfulls (i.e. not first) of my search for tom (found >100), I change search argument to jom, and press enter (to search), it say is giving me 1 to 7 of 7 (that it normally does for that search), but does not display any of them, until I click a column header to sort them. jeremy
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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Sarah,
What a great find. I tried "som" and it found all that have an "s" anywhere in the email and end in "om". It did not pick up on a name with s in it. Then I tried "pam" to find "Paige" and ending in "m" but that did not find anything. "pa" was not in the email address. The I tried including the quotes literally ("tom") and that did not find anything where as without the quotes found numerous ones. Not sure what the search rules are. Someone mentioned a wild card character of * Joanie
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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jakkdaw
Typing tom seems to bring up all those with a t anywhere and ending .com
Typing gom, jom etc seems to bring up all those with a go, jo etc anywhere and ending .com
I haven't checked the whole alphabet though. Sarah
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 03:21 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Try Tom*.While that will work for Display names, it doesn't include email addresses. Unless/until Mark has a chance to figure out what's going on, try including the search term in quotes - "tom". It also seems to be related to the length of the search string. While tom and toms have problems, david seems to work fine, but 5 letter searches don't unless they have a space on both ends. Without quotes, it appears to be looking for the characters in the sequence given in the search. Looking for tom also finds all of the hoTmail.cOM addresses, but there are others that don't fit that mold. Maybe it's those characters in any order? Duane
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Re: Maybe slightly-rearrange the AccountConfirm message content?
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Thanks Duane, I obviously overlooked that detail. Hmmm, but maybe there is another way to achieve that intent. Maybe with an “Unsubscribe” – although worded differently – choice. Open, dead ends, and incomplete exchanges are frustrating to me. I’ve always been one for two-way exchange – even if it’s to say ‘I’m not interested.’ And/but getting people to demonstrate even that much ‘consideration’ can be difficult so should be made simple. Maybe put in a “GET LOST!” link that they could invoke to both vent their frustration at being approached and let you they’re not interested at the same time.
Dan Tucker, Groups.io AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator
From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Duane <txpigeon@...>
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 03:17 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:
It seems to me that could cause other complications. The Confirmation of Email Address is sent by the system, so any replies wouldn't be seen by any group. As it works, that would be seen as confirmation since they replied as noted further
up the message, "If you only want to send and receive messages, reply to this email to confirm your email address and activate your membership."
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Re: Maybe slightly-rearrange the AccountConfirm message content?
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 03:17 PM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:
“If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email address, please ignore this email.” Change to: “If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email address, pleaseIt seems to me that could cause other complications. The Confirmation of Email Address is sent by the system, so any replies wouldn't be seen by any group. As it works, that would be seen as confirmation since they replied as noted further up the message, "If you only want to send and receive messages, reply to this email to confirm your email address and activate your membership." Duane
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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Try Tom*.
I do quite a lot of searches in one of my groups for TV model numbers. I always have to add a * wildcard at the end as quite often extra characters are at the end, eg 21AX2100EZ may only show if you use 21AX2100* Davw On 26 Jan 2021 at 21:02, Mike Hanauer via groups.io wrote: I have often found "weidness" in search results which I could not http://davesergeant.com
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Re: Maybe slightly-rearrange the AccountConfirm message content?
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IMHO, if you’re going to change anything in this – I’ve already done some workaround on it – I would include this minor change:
“If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email address, please ignore this email.” Change to: “If you are not interested, or if [Invitee Email Address] is not your email
address, please
I HATE sending something out and not knowing whether it: went into the SPAM box, or; into the ‘Junk’ file, or; was ignored, or; dropped below the active horizon, or; they are not interested but didn’t let me know, or; went into a cyber hole. If I’m ‘soliciting’ members – in my case I’m trying to locate some retirees that have been ‘off the radar’ for years in some cases – I’d like to know whether they even are alive anymore and/or just don’t want to be bothered.
Dan Tucker, Groups.io AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator
From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of "Christos G. Psarras" <christos@...>
Hi Mark et al, Hello, Thank you for your interest in Groups.io. If you did not request or do not want to join Groups.io, please ignore this message. If you only want to send and receive messages, reply to this email to confirm your email address and activate your membership. · Messages will be sent to you at 12345@... If you want to use the resources and read messages on the website, please click on the link below to confirm your email address, set up a password, and choose other subscription settings: <Confirm account>
Cheers, It looks a bit messy IMO; the way the text is currently formatted, especially with the single bullet where it is, could be argued that it can potentially imply to a non-savvy/knowledgeable person that
email messages would be sent to them
only if they wanted"If you only want to send and receive email messages". If you want to use the resources and read messages on the website, please click on the link below to confirm your email address, set up a password, and choose other subscription settings: to something like this: If you want to also be able to use the group [online/website] resources and be able to also read and reply to messages on the website, please click on the link below to confirm your email address (and activate your membership), plus set up a website password, and choose other group subscription or [website/account] settings: (bolding here is only for clarification of proposed changes)
Hello,
· If you only want to send and receive messages, reply to this email to confirm your email address and activate your membership. · If you want to also be able to use the group [online/website] resources and be able to also read and reply to messages on the website, please click on the link below to confirm your email address (and activate your membership), plus set up a website password, and choose other group subscription or website settings: <Confirm account> (maybe bolded for emphasis)
Cheers, Alternatively, don't use the bullets, un-indent the two options and move to the left and use "- " text bullets instead.
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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Chris Jones
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:45 PM, Joanie wrote:
I have verified it in my group. Very strange.I have just done the same in 2 groups; one of 1977 members and another of 43. The first produced 740 returns and the second 17. What is perhaps even weirder is that these represent 37.4% and 39.5% of the respective memberships, which, while not the same, are remarkably similar. Chris
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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I have often found "weidness" in search results which I could not explain. The search for "tom" is the wildest, but the cause of its returning so many false positives may explain others. Consider Better, not Bigger. So many advantages. Just ask. USA adds a Chicago to our overpop each year. "Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling." ~Mike
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 03:57:54 PM EST, Joanie <joanie.m.nightingale@...> wrote:
I did a download on the members and searched through the csv file for the string tom and got no hits. So there is nothing in the data that would trigger this search. Searching for the string "com" brings up everyone in my group because emails all end in ".com". I'm trying to remember my Linux regular expression stuff but "tom" is nothing more than a search for the string "tom". It's weird that it's almost half the members. Same was true on mine but it was closer to 40%. Joanie
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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I did a download on the members and searched through the csv file for the string tom and got no hits. So there is nothing in the data that would trigger this search. Searching for the string "com" brings up everyone in my group because emails all end in ".com". I'm trying to remember my Linux regular expression stuff but "tom" is nothing more than a search for the string "tom". It's weird that it's almost half the members. Same was true on mine but it was closer to 40%. Joanie
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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Without any more to go on but the apparent ‘consistency’ of both of your comments – I wonder if there’s something in the membership group or subgroup name that’s being found. I know that if I enter certain search params into my search I can spool up some, most or all of the members based on something deeper than just the surface ‘name.’
Dan Tucker, Groups.io AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator
From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Joanie <joanie.m.nightingale@...>
I have verified it in my group. Very strange. Joanie
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Re: Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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I have verified it in my group. Very strange. Joanie
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Member search for "tom" brings up about 1/2 of membership
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I have tried this in two different groups that I moderate.
Thanks. ~Mike
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