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moderated #bug No auto-subject line in message to member about pending post #bug

Niman H
 

Hi, I don't know if this is a bug or change, but now when clicking "Send message" from a pending post, nothing appears in the subject line of the new email that pops up. It used to be the original subject line of the pending message, which I found very helpful. (Hope I explained that ok!)
Thanks, Nancy


moderated Allow creation of links in files area even when storage is full #suggestion

Gilbert Coville
 

When a group is at its storage limit, naturally you can’t upload new files or folders of files. However, you can create new folders. This makes sense because folders don’t really take up much space and they help you get organized.

I propose that we also be allowed to create new links. They also don’t take up much space, and it would also help us get organized and eventually help us back away from the storage limit.

Gilbert


moderated Re: Italian reply to message by email uses preface RES, not "Re," creating new topic #bug

Samuel Murrayy
 

I just had the same issue -- a topic got split after a user used RES: instead of RE:.  Can we add "RES:" to the list of reply indicators?


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 01:19 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Having the ability to change the settings for multiple groups on the Your Groups page is very useful and I would not want to lose this. So, if any changes are made, it's more than just the Subscription page and Advanced Preferences layout that needs to be considered.
I wasn't even aware you could do that. Yes, that needs to be dealt with as well. If the feature is left in place, you would have to decide what to do when (a) "special" is selected here when the member was already set to "following", and (b) the user first selects "special" here and later tries to select FO. It would be a matter of which takes precedence. I would suggest that whatever they do last should take preference, and that that should be reflected in the preferences page (or whatever it ends up being called, and I would suggest "email filter and delivery preferencess"). But the preference page should still not allow both simultaneously.

When someone selects "special" from the actions page, it would seem they actively want to cut down on the email they're already receiving, so that should take precedence over "following" if they were already set to that. Conversely, if they actively go in and select "following" from the preferences page, they would seem to be actively trying to make sure they get email from topics they're following, so "following" should take precedence and "special" should be wiped out.

The preference page would (1) still disallow both to be selected from the page itself and (2) if someone already set to "following" selects "special" from the action page, the preference page would have "following" wiped out.

Something along those lines.
 
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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 02:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Right. There’s the “what” and the “how.” Might be the clearest with them on the same page, with a separator.
I agree that what and how could do with clarifying a bit. Also, don't forget that a member can also change their subscription settings using the Actions button on the Your Groups page. Regardless of the group setting, the No Email is always displayed here and if that option is disabled in a group and a member selects it they are set to Special Notices Only.



Having the ability to change the settings for multiple groups on the Your Groups page is very useful and I would not want to lose this. So, if any changes are made, it's more than just the Subscription page and Advanced Preferences layout that needs to be considered.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Judy F.
 

Thank you Mark, you have made my life a little easier.  I would think this includes Moderators and Owners, right? 
Judy F..
Sew it's for Sale GIO
SW Florida - USA

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 01:27 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hello,
 
I've changed it so that only moderators can change the ownership of photos.
 
Cheers,
Mark


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Right. There’s the “what” and the “how.” Might be the clearest with them on the same page, with a separator.


On Jan 21, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



I actually like that logic a lot better, then separate them into headings or something for better readability, or put a horizontal separator between the two to denote that these are indeed different sections.

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On 21 Jan 2021, at 16:20, Peter Cook wrote:

Or, something like

Delivery = how you get it = individual, digest, or summary.
 
Filter = what you get = none, special notices only, all, following only, following only + first message also, or following only + replies/

?

Pete

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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually like that logic a lot better, then separate them into headings or something for better readability, or put a horizontal separator between the two to denote that these are indeed different sections.

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Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 21 Jan 2021, at 16:20, Peter Cook wrote:

Or, something like

Delivery = how you get it = individual, digest, or summary.
 
Filter = what you get = none, special notices only, all, following only, following only + first message also, or following only + replies/

?

Pete


moderated Report File -- "Content flagged as objectionable" #suggestion

Andy
 

There is a feature to Report File by clicking the flag icon next to the filename.  It sends a message ("Content flagged as objectionable") from Groups.io to each owner/moderator.

We recently saw a file reported this way, because someone had a question about the file.  The right thing for him to have done, was to send a new Message.  But he saw the flag icon and used it.

Suggestions:

1. When someone reports a file, Groups.io sends messages addressed to each Owner/Moderator.  I think it should be addressed to the "+owner" address.  By addressing it to Owner/Moderator addresses, it looks like Spam.  (Indeed, my co-moderator interpreted it that way, especially because the sender's status was NMM.)

2. It leaves nothing behind in the group's "Activity" log.  Nor in the sender's "Activity History".  Nor in the sender's "+owner Messages".  It should.  All three.

3. When reporting a file, the description in the pop-up window is: "I think this file isn't appropriate for our Group."  Hmm.  I was thinking that is much too open-ended.  It's not the same thing as "objectionable".  But maybe that was your idea, to allow it to be used for any reason, leaving discretion to Moderators.  Yes?  Still, I wonder if it should be for things actually bad and objectionable.  I'm also wondering, because we have many group members not in the USA for whom English is not their native language.

Also, while the following is not about "Report File", it is related to #2 above:

2A. If an Owner/Moderator sends a follow-up message (to anyone, about anything), using the "Send Message" button at the bottom of the member's information page, Groups.io does not leave any history behind in its logs.  Nothing in Admin > Activity, nothing in the member's "Activity History" or their "Email Delivery History".

Andy


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Exactly.


On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 4:20 PM Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:
Or, something like

Delivery = how you get it = individual, digest, or summary.
 
Filter = what you get = none, special notices only, all, following only, following only + first message also, or following only + replies/

?

Pete


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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

Or, something like

Delivery = how you get it = individual, digest, or summary.
 
Filter = what you get = none, special notices only, all, following only, following only + first message also, or following only + replies/

?

Pete


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 04:02 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
email delivery, message selection, and replies all determine which messages get to your inbox.
I wouldn't throw "replies" into that, unless you're talking about the further filtering (under "following only") by "auto-follow replies." So I'll assume that's what you mean.

I would lump "message selection" and "replies" into either just "message selection" or "message filters." They're what determine which content gets into your email. The delivery method just determines the format in which they get there.

So there are two categories: filters and delivery method. They can be on the same page or not, I don't think it matters much.
 
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Putting all together would be fine. Or separating them into delivery method and filter. I’m with you and would favor having both setting types in one place. 


On Jan 21, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

So, again: email delivery, message selection, and replies all determine which messages get to your inbox. So why not make them all part of the same block of settings?

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

So, again: email delivery, message selection, and replies all determine which messages get to your inbox. So why not make them all part of the same block of settings?


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Thanks. So the whole combination is illogical in addition to misleading grouo members into thinking they’ll receive messages from topics they’re following. The combo serves no function and should be eliminated so members don’t fall into the trap.


On Jan 21, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 06:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
theoretically, in a group with “disable no email” set, members could get around this using Special Notices plus Following Only and then simply not following any special notices. Logically, that should result in “no email.”
I've tested this and special notices still get delivered. There is no way not to get special notices that I can find when No Email is disabled.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 06:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
theoretically, in a group with “disable no email” set, members could get around this using Special Notices plus Following Only and then simply not following any special notices. Logically, that should result in “no email.”
I've tested this and special notices still get delivered. There is no way not to get special notices that I can find when No Email is disabled.


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Right. Snd there’s another potential problem with this bad combination, one I haven’t tested yet: theoretically, in a group with “disable no email” set, members could get around this using Special Notices plus Following Only and then simply not following any special notices. Logically, that should result in “no email.” I need to test this. 

I think Special Notices Only (and I would change the wording to that) should be a setting on the Advanced Preferencrs page along with the other filter (Following Only) and the two should be made incompatible with each other. Special Notices is not an “email delivery method” and besides not belonging with the real delivery options, it creates problems by being there and separated from the preferences page.


On Jan 21, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:50 PM, ro-esp wrote:
If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.
But her point is that that's not how it works - if someone is set to Special Notices Only, they get, well, special notices only. If they want more than special notices, they use individual, digest, or summary.

I agree that it makes sense for the Email Delivery setting to determine the available options for Message Selection and Replies under advanced settings. And since these settings all work in concert to determine message delivery, I'd put them together. (Which leaves Max Attachment Size sort of hanging out by itself.) 

I have to admit, I was pretty confused about the relationship between all of those settings and the actual delivery until someone on GMF set me straight.

Pete

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:50 PM, ro-esp wrote:
If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.
But her point is that that's not how it works - if someone is set to Special Notices Only, they get, well, special notices only. If they want more than special notices, they use individual, digest, or summary.

I agree that it makes sense for the Email Delivery setting to determine the available options for Message Selection and Replies under advanced settings. And since these settings all work in concert to determine message delivery, I'd put them together. (Which leaves Max Attachment Size sort of hanging out by itself.) 

I have to admit, I was pretty confused about the relationship between all of those settings and the actual delivery until someone on GMF set me straight.

Pete


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 02:50 PM, ro-esp wrote:
I think that's the wrong way to go about. If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.
And they would have that. "Following Only" will set them to receive all messages, special notices or otherwise, whose threads they are following, as long as they have any of the other three "delivery methods" (using the term loosely) besides Special Notices. If they continie to be  allowed to be both Special Notices and Following Only, they will receive messages *only* from Special Notices whose threads they are following.

I've just announced this problem to my group and have gone in manually and changed everyone who had this ill-fated combination to Individual Messages, leaving their Following Only settings intact. But it should not be necessary for group owners to do that.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

ro-esp
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:33 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

I think the UI for advanced preferences has to be redesigned to disallow the
combination of Special Notices and Following Only, and to allow Following Only
only if the member is also subscribed via Individual Messages, Digest, or
Daily Summary.
I think that's the wrong way to go about. If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo

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