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moderated Re: Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

debbie
 



On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 6:10 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 03:14 PM, debbie wrote:
I noticed over a week ago that when I hit reply to the message, the subject line is blank, not showing the subject that the member sent the message
Messages with a blank subject link show up on the +owner messages list but as there is no subject, there is no link to click on to open them. I'm not sure what was there before in this case but I would say it's a bug at the moment.

Andy

I was talking about messages that do have subject lines. BUT, if you have one without a subject line it's still going to have the quotes for the empty subject, like this - sent message "" to owners via email - and you can click on the quotes to see the message.


moderated Re: Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 03:14 PM, debbie wrote:
I noticed over a week ago that when I hit reply to the message, the subject line is blank, not showing the subject that the member sent the message
Messages with a blank subject link show up on the +owner messages list but as there is no subject, there is no link to click on to open them. I'm not sure what was there before in this case but I would say it's a bug at the moment.

Andy


moderated Re: Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

 

Yep, I rechecked and was just logging back in to post again. You're right. It's blank.
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I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

debbie
 



On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 5:52 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 07:14 AM, debbie wrote:
I noticed over a week ago that when I hit reply to the message, the subject line is blank, not showing the subject that the member sent the message with.
I can't reproduce this. It's working fine for me.


I checked in two different groups with Firefox and Chrome and it's not working for me.


moderated Re: Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 07:14 AM, debbie wrote:
I noticed over a week ago that when I hit reply to the message, the subject line is blank, not showing the subject that the member sent the message with.
I can't reproduce this. It's working fine for me.

It would be nice if when someone sends a message to the owner address, the system would reject the message without a subject line
I think that would be unacceptable. People need to be able to freely send messages to the owner. It's their way of trying to communicate, sometimes by people already having technical issues.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #suggestion Need to permit different email addresses for group joining #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 09:14 AM, judy Warden wrote:
We could join a group and then state the address we preferred to use for that specific group.
You can already do that, you just need a different account using the other email address(es) when joining a group.  The only difference is that you're responsible for keeping things separate instead of the site.  I use several emails/accounts on GIO, so it's easy to keep them separate (and keep me less confused.)  BTW, this has been discussed before and doesn't seem to be a pressing concern.

Duane


moderated Re: #suggestion Need to permit different email addresses for group joining #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 03:14 PM, judy Warden wrote:
Many people like to use different email addresses for different groups.
You can use a different address for a different group is you wish by creating a different account and subscribing to a group with that.

Under Yahoo groups, We could join a group and then state the address we preferred to use for that specific group.
The organisation of Groups.io is different.  The account (email address) is the top-level entity and you subscribe to groups from that. All groups subscribed to by one account therefore use the same email address.  You can alternative posting addresses (Aliases) but I suspect that is not what you are looking for.

  I have search the options and there is no way to add a preferred address to that one group.
That's because Groups.io is organised differently.

The option definitely should be added to the subscription options for a specific group.
That would seem to change the fundamental organisation of Groups.io so it's not likely to happen.  See the Owner's Manual and Quick Start Guide in the Help Centre  for more details.

Andy


moderated #suggestion Need to permit different email addresses for group joining #suggestion

judy Warden <myizrblu@...>
 

Many people like to use different email addresses for different groups.  Under Yahoo groups, We could join a group and then state the address we preferred to use for that specific group.  I have search the options and there is no way to add a preferred address to that one group.  The option definitely should be added to the subscription options for a specific group.

Ex:preferred email address you want to use for this group.   NOTE: it is not changing the .io. account main email. Just the group preference address
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Thanks,
 Judy


moderated Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

debbie
 

When a member sends a message to the owner it shows up in the Activity section with a link to see the message. I usually use that to reply to those messages, hitting the reply button at the bottom of the message there. I noticed over a week ago that when I hit reply to the message, the subject line is blank, not showing the subject that the member sent the message with. It used to show the subject line with a "Re:". So, I've been copy and pasting the subject line in.

Related, when a non-member sends a message to the owner, that message is not clickable. I must reply to it from my email. There must be a technical reason why that is so, that I am not thinking of.

Further related, as I've mentioned a while ago, it would be nice if when someone sends a message to the owner address, the system would reject the message without a subject line, just like it does when a member sends a message to the group, which is one of the best little things about groups.io! Another one I love is rejecting messages people send with attachments (when attachments are not allowed), which eliminates the necessity to reject the message for "missing" something.

Thanks,

Debbie



moderated Re: Poll participation by non-account holders #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 04:35 AM, Tom U wrote:
We recently posted a poll to our group but response was limited by the fact that many don't have group.io accounts and don't want to bother creating one.
Sorry, but you are way off beam here. Every member of a group (hosted by Groups.io, that is!) has an Account, even if they don't realise it.

I suggest that you have a good look in the "Help" section, particularly at the Members Manual section 3.2 about creating an account so that members can access not only messages but all the other web - based facilities that Groups.io has to offer... depending that is on which type of group you have. (Free or paid)

Prompt your members to get their accounts properly set up and then they can participate in polls, assuming (as above) that your group allows them.

Having non - account holders to vote means risking non - members voting, and that would be a HUGE mistake.

IMHO treating Groups.io purely as a mailing list is also a mistake, but that's another story...

At the risk of repeating myself, ALL your members already have accounts; all they need to do is complete the process of setting them up to enable web access.

Chris


moderated Re: Poll participation by non-account holders #suggestion

Starchild <sfdreamer@...>
 


I second this! 

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))


On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Tom U wrote:

We recently posted a poll to our group but response was limited by the fact that many don't have group.io accounts and don't want to bother creating one.

One off my winning arguments for using a mailing list was that it was not a new technology everyone would need to learn and not a new service that everyone would have to create an account on.  Most of our community members are on the mailing list, but don't have accounts.  We would like to be able to poll them, but if responding to a poll requires creating an account, that is not going to happen.  So, polls, not so useful for our community.

Please allow the option of non-account holders responding to polls.

Thanks for considering.


moderated Poll participation by non-account holders #suggestion

Tom U
 

We recently posted a poll to our group but response was limited by the fact that many don't have group.io accounts and don't want to bother creating one.

One off my winning arguments for using a mailing list was that it was not a new technology everyone would need to learn and not a new service that everyone would have to create an account on.  Most of our community members are on the mailing list, but don't have accounts.  We would like to be able to poll them, but if responding to a poll requires creating an account, that is not going to happen.  So, polls, not so useful for our community.

Please allow the option of non-account holders responding to polls.

Thanks for considering.


moderated New setting: moderate messages containing links #suggestion

 

My group has strong restrictions on what kinds of links can be posted. I don’t know how feasible it would be, but an ability (in an unmoderated group) to moderate any message containing a link would be very helpful.


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated search results /members page shows stale data after user edit #bug

Dan Halbert
 

Under certain circumstances, after editing a user's data and then clicking Save, the previous versions of the user data will display on the /members page.

To reproduce:
1. Go to the /members page of a top-level group.
2. Search for one or more members by typing a string in the search box.
3. Click on the user's name, which goes to the  /member/<nnnnn> page for that user.
4. Edit something about the user, such the display name or email address.
5. Click Save at the bottom of the page.
6. The list of members selected by the search from step 2 will redisplay, but with the old data, before step 4.
7. If you reload the page, the new data appears.

It seems to be necessary to do step 2. I tried selecting and editing a user without step 2, and I see the changes immediately, on step 6.

Dan


moderated Re: custom colors don't work in direct add custom message #bug

Glenn Glazer
 

On 01/16/2021 14:56, Duane wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 04:12 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
P.S. a feature request would be to be able to store this custom message or at least have it default to the last custom message used.
You can already create/store as many custom messages as you want on the Member Notices page, then select the one you want when doing the Direct Add.  You can have one Active as the default, but still select another at that time if you want.  You do have to create them before using though.

Duane

Good to know, thanks, Duane!

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: custom colors don't work in direct add custom message #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 04:12 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
P.S. a feature request would be to be able to store this custom message or at least have it default to the last custom message used.
You can already create/store as many custom messages as you want on the Member Notices page, then select the one you want when doing the Direct Add.  You can have one Active as the default, but still select another at that time if you want.  You do have to create them before using though.

Duane


moderated custom colors don't work in direct add custom message #bug

Glenn Glazer
 

When constructing a custom message as part of a direct add, one can change the color of the font or font background using this widget:



Selecting a pre-selected color from the upper part of the widget works fine.

However, clicking on any of the white boxes just causes the widget to close. Normally, when I have seen this kind of widget before, it brings up an RGB/CMYK/HTML Hex/HSL color picker (something like https://htmlcolorcodes.com/color-picker/) which enables the creation and selection of a custom color which is then stored in one of the boxes in the original widget.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/87.0.4280.141 Safari/537.36

Best,

Glenn
P.S. a feature request would be to be able to store this custom message or at least have it default to the last custom message used.

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moderated Re: #suggestion Moderators should be able to Reply to or Forward a message of 'importance' and tag it "Special Interest" in the process #suggestion

 

This is my take on this; if there is some pending message and Dan thinks Special Notice users might/should/will find this message of interest, or some previously-posted message (or topic?) which (those Special Notice users did not receive originally) and has now become of importance/whatnot to those users for the same reasons as before, Dan would like to send (forward) that message to them (if posted already) or ensure they also get it if a moderated message, even if it's not a special notice.

The quick and dirty solution to that would be to add the ability to "mark" (masquerade) an incoming message in the pending queue as "Special Notice" in the message approval screen.  Yes I know from a procedural POV only admins are supposed to send (i.e. originate) Special Notices, but from a code POV, the marking of a message as a Special Notice is really nothing but a flag to the mailer code to also include the Special Notice user subset in the emailing (and add the [special] taggery); after the Special Notice message has posted in the archives, it's treated as any other message in terms or replies, etc. anyway, so if there was a checkbox in the message approval screen that means "Treat this message as a Special Notice, for email delivery purposes only", it would take care of his request:  When that option is checked and the pending message approved and posts, even if it posts just like a regular message, it would also be sent to the Special Notice users as well.  The caveat is that the mailer code would need to somehow know that this is a regular message that should be treated as a "Special Notice" only as far as recipients are concerned and therefore not add the [special] taggery, unlike when a mod creates a real Special Notice, so a message author admin status check would determine that.

Something like this however would require the group (or user(s)) to be moderated so the messages can be intercepted before they post, therefore doesn't provide the same capability for posted messages, still leaving only the current way, copy+paste.

So taking Shal's proposed solution (for already-posted messages) and twisting it a bit, it now becomes a Message/Topic Forward capability, which allows it to be used for more than as a fix for this particular case.  If Mark was go through the work required to implement Shal's proposed solution, I suspect for just a little extra effort more he can implement it as a Forward instead, with the possibility of generating income, i.e. for Admins it can be a provided tool but for users it could be a (group-account or GIO-account) paid feature.

Possibly something like this, assuming we would want to also be able to forward a whole topic:

1. Topic button -> Forward Topic
2. Hamburger -> Forward Message

3a. If user FWD, action results in a note, "Message/Topic emailed to your group account address" or something, and that's it; not sure if it should be logged or not.
3b. If admin FWD, a popup Forward-To screen comes up:

4a. Reply-To dropbox:
- Group
(default, allows the recipient to (re-)engage the Topic online or through email if a Special Notice or No Email user)
- Sender possibly (admin wants to forward a message to another member and discuss it further between them)
- Group Owner possibly (again admin wants to forward a message to the mods only and discuss it further between them only)

4b. Recipients/Forward-To dropbox:
- Some special-flag entries, such as maybe [Everyone regardless*], [Mods Only], [Special Notice members only], or [No Email users only*]; possibly add the other delivery subsets as well, [digest users only] etc.
- And the full member list for forwarding to individuals.

(* This would also give a way for the admins to easily reach out to the No Email users with something important - this can be done now but it can be a PITA doing it through the Member List, you have to play around with the URL per-page count parameter value to get the sorted list paginated as such so the majority of No Email users are taking up the whole page and one can use the SelectAll checkbox)

4c. - Some kind of a "forwarding note" textbox, maybe with the default "Note: Forwarded Message" or something, inserted by the mailer code as bolded/delimited text at the top of the message body (and I guess for all messages within that topic, if forwarding a topic).  That would allow the admin to use this forward functionality for several possible scenarios; for example, in Dan's case, an existing topic has become of interest to Special Notice folk, note could be "Hey guys, this topic might be of interest to you".  Or, you just posted a Special Notice about your group now accepting sponsorship or about upgrading the group to premium, and you want to let the No Email users aware of it**, so possibly "There is a matter of importance to the group's future and I thought you would want to become aware and participate if you want."

** You may argue, why not just sent them the link to the topic instead of forwarding the actual message/topic?  Yes you can, but that precludes email-only users; if you send them the actual message, I assume it would also contain the footers***, so they can go online that way and engage if they want, OR they can reply to the message and their reply will post as a regular topic reply, and can engage through email only.  Or you could include the link in your FWD note as well.

(*** I guess care should be taken when the footer code generates those forwards, it uses the original posted topic/message IDs for some of the specific footer links such as View Topic Online, Follow Topic, etc.  Something similar would also probably need to be done to the message headers as well so an email-client reply (to Group) references that actual posted message and not the forwarded message itself)

4d - Maybe also a checkbox like "subject-tag notice's subject as [Special]" (as in a real Special Notice) because the full/real Special Notice moniker & functionality is not really applicable to this functionality. 

Clicking OK will initiate the emailing-out.

In Dan's case, the workflow for moderated messages of possible importance kinda stays the same, after approving it he still has to get involved, but instead of copy+paste+side-effects he would then instead just forward the already-posted message to the Special Notice users only.

Cheers,
Christos

PS: There's also an alternative interpretation of Dan's request, make certain users (who just happen in this case to be Special Notice users) aware of that message/topic, kind of a "tag" functionality if you will, be able to tag/alert folk of a topic or message who otherwise wouldn't be.  This would be equivalent to emailing out a link to the online topic/message in the above proposal though, so it still has the preclusion problem of email-only users.



moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

JenniferEverSews
 

yes.
Jennifer
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On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:42 AM, Judy F. wrote:
members SHOULD NOT be able to even click on the Owner box.  Only the Moderator(s) and owner(s) should be allowed to do that.   
 


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Judy F.
 

Duane, I think, as for as our group is concerned and it sounds like at least one other, members SHOULD NOT be able to even click on the Owner box.  Only the Moderator(s) and owner(s) should be allowed to do that.   
Thank you/
Judy F.


On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 08:23 PM, Duane wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 06:21 PM, JenniferEverSews wrote:
Then they cannot restore the correct owner's id/name because they cannot recall or find it.
Actually, if a member changes it (and saves the edit), they can't change it back.  Either a group owner/mod or the 'new' owner must do it.  If they change it, but don't save, no harm done.

Duane

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