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moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Judy F.
 

Duane, I think, as for as our group is concerned and it sounds like at least one other, members SHOULD NOT be able to even click on the Owner box.  Only the Moderator(s) and owner(s) should be allowed to do that.   
Thank you/
Judy F.


On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 08:23 PM, Duane wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 06:21 PM, JenniferEverSews wrote:
Then they cannot restore the correct owner's id/name because they cannot recall or find it.
Actually, if a member changes it (and saves the edit), they can't change it back.  Either a group owner/mod or the 'new' owner must do it.  If they change it, but don't save, no harm done.

Duane


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

billsf9c
 

forget about grandfathering. That would work. 

It would be ok, voluntarily... otherwise it would destroy the trust he has managed to create.

BillSF9c


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Work on stopping spam accounts and spam groups as well as deletion of many existing spam accounts and groups.
  • DOCS: Updates from Nina.
  • CHANGE: Ensure that if a message is sent from a banned member, it's logged as such. Also don't display badges in the banned member page.
  • CHANGE: Changed special message to special notice in the activity logs for consistency.
  • BUGFIX: Fix timezone offset issue with event times on the /feed page?
  • NEW: Groups can now allow people to sponsor their hosting fees.
  • CHANGE: Mobile reformatting: iPad widths now use the bottom navbar like phone widths. The More menu in the bottom navbars is now a drawer that slides in from the left. Several little mobile formatting tweaks.
  • BUGFIX: It's no longer possible to input a negative reminder time before an event.
  • CHANGE: Formatting changes to the add event page for adding reminders.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:07 PM, Judy F. wrote:
the Sew It's For Sale group
Great group name!
 
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moderated Re: Moderator control for sponsorship notifications #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 05:51 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Can we get an extra option in the Moderator Notifications panel to control the sponsorship notifications in the same manner as others please?
Agreed. It will need a corresponding hashtag, too.

Bruce


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 06:21 PM, JenniferEverSews wrote:
Then they cannot restore the correct owner's id/name because they cannot recall or find it.
Actually, if a member changes it (and saves the edit), they can't change it back.  Either a group owner/mod or the 'new' owner must do it.  If they change it, but don't save, no harm done.

Duane


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

JenniferEverSews
 

Yes, please do make this change.  
    While some may change the owner box intentionally, sometimes a member changes photo ownership by mistake.  Then they cannot restore the correct owner's id/name because they cannot recall or find it. 
    Mods/owners do at times need to be able to change the photo ownership.  For example, when a member dies - their membership is removed as a security precaution.   However, the photos they shared are kept as a treasured reminder of their artistry and friendship.   
Thanks,
Jennifer
 
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 04:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
change the Owner box ... causing issues where they are then locked out of editing their photo since the name has been changed when they clicked the down arrow on that line. 

Does anyone need this functionality for members? Can I restrict the ability to change photo ownership to just mods/owners?
 
Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:14 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:25 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Some have argued that "people will leave if charged"; well... let them.
Why should Mark or anyone else have to subsidise a group of people who
expect a service such as Groups.io to be free in perpetuity? What right
have freeloaders (for want of a better term) to more or less demand that
Premium or Enterprise Groups pay for them for ever?
Because apps, Facebook and Googlegroups are free?

We all understand that there is no free lunch, but some people (maybe in the third world - several of my Esperanto-related groups are worldwide) can't afford a subscription, and some will think some groups don't provide enough value (too few members, too little info) yet. Heck, some people have no experience with nor appreciation for list-serves. Put in what one person calls a "paywall" and they may never learn to appreciate what we have here..

Ultimately, it doesn't matter WHO pays, as long as Mark can pay the bills and hire assistants. I would gladly pay a modest fee for the groups I own (or maybe even for an extra feature of choice) and I assume some group-members are willing and able to pay/donate a modest fee for the service.

at 88000 groups, would 10 or 20 euro/dollar a year per group suffice?

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can I restrict the ability to change photo ownership to just mods/owners?
That would be my preference.  In most cases, it confuses members and causes a mess to be cleaned up.

Duane


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 09:28 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
For the reasons stated above, I disagree. Even an account charge of $1 would see a 10-fold increase in our current costs.
This might be an instance of the "nuance" I mentioned playing a part. As you should be able to prove your charitable status (albeit IIRC to UK rather than US standards) this might be a way of organising a waiver. At the same time if any of your members are also members of other Groups.io groups I would not expect any waiver to apply across the board so I would hope that they would have to pay as individuals for ongoing access to those.
The majority of our members had never heard of Groups.io before we joined and are also email only so don't connect with the fact that they have a Groups.io account. There are a handful of our members that I know have connections with other groups but the overwhelming majority do not so any potential 'savings' for us because of that approach will be negligible. 


Um... well IMHO the ongoing "free" provision of Basic groups (esp the legacy ones) is completely unsustainable, and the proposed charging scheme is a barrier to future growth of new free groups.

I tend to agree and it's why I suggested a small charge for Basic groups and some kind of paid intermediate group between Basic and Premium to provide a smaller step up to the next level.

Andy


moderated Moderator control for sponsorship notifications #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

 

Can we get an extra option in the Moderator Notifications panel to control the sponsorship notifications in the same manner as others please?

[Note: I did mention this previously but it may have been missed in all the other traffic on this subject]

  

Thanks

Andy


moderated Include group subject tag on sponsorship notification emails #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

Can we get the group subject tag included as a prefix to the sponsorship notification emails so that it matches other notifications please?

[Note: I did mention this previously but it may have been lost in amongst all the other traffic on this subject]

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On 15/01/2021 21:08:33, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Malcolm,

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:11 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
I'm afraid it isn't fixed for the instance I'm looking at Mark. I tried all the reloads, with <ctrl>, to no avail so when I shut down last night I allowed ccleaner to do a full clear-out of cache and cookies. The issue is still there this morning - one event in the [sogvols] groups scheduled for 15:00 UTC but showing in the feed for UTC logins as being at 07:00.

I checked your account, and you had your timezone set to Pacific time (see https://groups.io/account?page=prefs). I reset that to UTC, and the time listed for that event in the /feed page now matches expectations. Please check and let me know what you see.
Malcolm Austen: 
Hi Mark, yes, I set it to PST to check what effect it had on the /feed display. That moved the event to showing as 23:00, now my account is back to UTC, the event shows as 07:00 but the event itself is scheduled for 15:00 UTC.

I just set my own account forward to AWST (Pert, UTC+8) and, sas I expected, the event now shows in /feed at 15:00 bit the calendar view (correctly) shows the event as 23:00.

Sorry Mark, the display doesn't match my expectations :-) whereas the calendar display does.

Malcolm.


Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 02:14 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
For the reasons stated above, I disagree. Even an account charge of $1 would see a 10-fold increase in our current costs.
This might be an instance of the "nuance" I mentioned playing a part. As you should be able to prove your charitable status (albeit IIRC to UK rather than US standards) this might be a way of organising a waiver. At the same time if any of your members are also members of other Groups.io groups I would not expect any waiver to apply across the board so I would hope that they would have to pay as individuals for ongoing access to those.

Unsustainable for us and I suspect many others. 

Um... well IMHO the ongoing "free" provision of Basic groups (esp the legacy ones) is completely unsustainable, and the proposed charging scheme is a barrier to future growth of new free groups.

A further potential snag is that if I have read things correctly future group owners would be able to game the system to avoid incremental charges, resulting in Groups.io's projected increased income not materialising at all.

Not really the intended outcome.

Chris


moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

 

Malcolm,

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:11 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
I'm afraid it isn't fixed for the instance I'm looking at Mark. I tried all the reloads, with <ctrl>, to no avail so when I shut down last night I allowed ccleaner to do a full clear-out of cache and cookies. The issue is still there this morning - one event in the [sogvols] groups scheduled for 15:00 UTC but showing in the feed for UTC logins as being at 07:00.

I checked your account, and you had your timezone set to Pacific time (see https://groups.io/account?page=prefs). I reset that to UTC, and the time listed for that event in the /feed page now matches expectations. Please check and let me know what you see.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:07 PM Judy F. <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Here's what is happening.  This is on the Sew It's For Sale group.  When members are posting photos and editing them to adhere to our guidelines, some of them are trying to change the Owner box not realizing that it is not something they are authorized to change.  Or at least on our group they  aren't authorized to change it.  This is causing issues where they are then locked out of editing their photo since the name has been changed when they clicked the down arrow on that line. 

Does anyone need this functionality for members? Can I restrict the ability to change photo ownership to just mods/owners?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: banned spamming email address attempted message logged as coming from "unconfirmed member" #bug

 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:47 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
we should no longer display any badges next to banned members
Not a big deal but I preferred to see the NC badge, because it let me know the email address is not even a groups.io account. My objection was solely to the log description as the message coming from "unconfirmed member," because the email address is not a member. There are other situations where an email address in the banned list is referred to as a "member" that are disconcerting, but I don't remember right now what they are. If another comes up I'll let you know.
 
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moderated Re: Filter Activity Log by Sent Special Notice #suggestion

 

I think this would be a good addition, when time allows. Thanks.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:12 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

the Actions drop-down field to filter the Activity Log allows 'Sent message' and 'Sent message requiring approval'. Could we add 'Sent special notice' to that list please?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Mobile/desktop menu flip #bug

 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:02 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

The only other thing I would suggest is perhaps a slightly different separator above the 'About' menu item. It would help to differentiate between the menu items that relate to the page you are on and those that are on all desktop views at the bottom of the page.

Done.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Filter Activity Log by Sent Special Notice #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

the Actions drop-down field to filter the Activity Log allows 'Sent message' and 'Sent message requiring approval'. Could we add 'Sent special notice' to that list please?

Thanks
Andy

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