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moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Can I restrict the ability to change photo ownership to just mods/owners?
That would be my preference.  In most cases, it confuses members and causes a mess to be cleaned up.

Duane
moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 09:28 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
For the reasons stated above, I disagree. Even an account charge of $1 would see a 10-fold increase in our current costs.
This might be an instance of the "nuance" I mentioned playing a part. As you should be able to prove your charitable status (albeit IIRC to UK rather than US standards) this might be a way of organising a waiver. At the same time if any of your members are also members of other Groups.io groups I would not expect any waiver to apply across the board so I would hope that they would have to pay as individuals for ongoing access to those.
The majority of our members had never heard of Groups.io before we joined and are also email only so don't connect with the fact that they have a Groups.io account. There are a handful of our members that I know have connections with other groups but the overwhelming majority do not so any potential 'savings' for us because of that approach will be negligible. 


Um... well IMHO the ongoing "free" provision of Basic groups (esp the legacy ones) is completely unsustainable, and the proposed charging scheme is a barrier to future growth of new free groups.

I tend to agree and it's why I suggested a small charge for Basic groups and some kind of paid intermediate group between Basic and Premium to provide a smaller step up to the next level.

Andy
moderated Moderator control for sponsorship notifications #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

 

Can we get an extra option in the Moderator Notifications panel to control the sponsorship notifications in the same manner as others please?

[Note: I did mention this previously but it may have been missed in all the other traffic on this subject]

  

Thanks

Andy
moderated Include group subject tag on sponsorship notification emails #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

Can we get the group subject tag included as a prefix to the sponsorship notification emails so that it matches other notifications please?

[Note: I did mention this previously but it may have been lost in amongst all the other traffic on this subject]

Thanks
Andy
moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On 15/01/2021 21:08:33, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Malcolm,

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:11 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
I'm afraid it isn't fixed for the instance I'm looking at Mark. I tried all the reloads, with <ctrl>, to no avail so when I shut down last night I allowed ccleaner to do a full clear-out of cache and cookies. The issue is still there this morning - one event in the [sogvols] groups scheduled for 15:00 UTC but showing in the feed for UTC logins as being at 07:00.

I checked your account, and you had your timezone set to Pacific time (see https://groups.io/account?page=prefs). I reset that to UTC, and the time listed for that event in the /feed page now matches expectations. Please check and let me know what you see.
Malcolm Austen: 
Hi Mark, yes, I set it to PST to check what effect it had on the /feed display. That moved the event to showing as 23:00, now my account is back to UTC, the event shows as 07:00 but the event itself is scheduled for 15:00 UTC.

I just set my own account forward to AWST (Pert, UTC+8) and, sas I expected, the event now shows in /feed at 15:00 bit the calendar view (correctly) shows the event as 23:00.

Sorry Mark, the display doesn't match my expectations :-) whereas the calendar display does.

Malcolm.


Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 02:14 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
For the reasons stated above, I disagree. Even an account charge of $1 would see a 10-fold increase in our current costs.
This might be an instance of the "nuance" I mentioned playing a part. As you should be able to prove your charitable status (albeit IIRC to UK rather than US standards) this might be a way of organising a waiver. At the same time if any of your members are also members of other Groups.io groups I would not expect any waiver to apply across the board so I would hope that they would have to pay as individuals for ongoing access to those.

Unsustainable for us and I suspect many others. 

Um... well IMHO the ongoing "free" provision of Basic groups (esp the legacy ones) is completely unsustainable, and the proposed charging scheme is a barrier to future growth of new free groups.

A further potential snag is that if I have read things correctly future group owners would be able to game the system to avoid incremental charges, resulting in Groups.io's projected increased income not materialising at all.

Not really the intended outcome.

Chris
moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

Malcolm,

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:11 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:
I'm afraid it isn't fixed for the instance I'm looking at Mark. I tried all the reloads, with <ctrl>, to no avail so when I shut down last night I allowed ccleaner to do a full clear-out of cache and cookies. The issue is still there this morning - one event in the [sogvols] groups scheduled for 15:00 UTC but showing in the feed for UTC logins as being at 07:00.

I checked your account, and you had your timezone set to Pacific time (see https://groups.io/account?page=prefs). I reset that to UTC, and the time listed for that event in the /feed page now matches expectations. Please check and let me know what you see.

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:07 PM Judy F. <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Here's what is happening.  This is on the Sew It's For Sale group.  When members are posting photos and editing them to adhere to our guidelines, some of them are trying to change the Owner box not realizing that it is not something they are authorized to change.  Or at least on our group they  aren't authorized to change it.  This is causing issues where they are then locked out of editing their photo since the name has been changed when they clicked the down arrow on that line. 

Does anyone need this functionality for members? Can I restrict the ability to change photo ownership to just mods/owners?

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: banned spamming email address attempted message logged as coming from "unconfirmed member" #bug

J_Catlady
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:47 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
we should no longer display any badges next to banned members
Not a big deal but I preferred to see the NC badge, because it let me know the email address is not even a groups.io account. My objection was solely to the log description as the message coming from "unconfirmed member," because the email address is not a member. There are other situations where an email address in the banned list is referred to as a "member" that are disconcerting, but I don't remember right now what they are. If another comes up I'll let you know.
 
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J

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moderated Re: Filter Activity Log by Sent Special Notice #suggestion

Dan Tucker - FireTuck
 

I think this would be a good addition, when time allows. Thanks.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:12 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

the Actions drop-down field to filter the Activity Log allows 'Sent message' and 'Sent message requiring approval'. Could we add 'Sent special notice' to that list please?

Thanks
Andy

moderated Re: Mobile/desktop menu flip #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:02 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

The only other thing I would suggest is perhaps a slightly different separator above the 'About' menu item. It would help to differentiate between the menu items that relate to the page you are on and those that are on all desktop views at the bottom of the page.

Done.

Cheers,
Mark 
moderated Filter Activity Log by Sent Special Notice #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

the Actions drop-down field to filter the Activity Log allows 'Sent message' and 'Sent message requiring approval'. Could we add 'Sent special notice' to that list please?

Thanks
Andy
moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

Mark Fletcher
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:01 PM SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:

How do you suspend sponsorship when you have reached full funding for the next year?

If I disable sponsorship in Settings, do the reserve funds disappear?

The funds do not disappear if you uncheck the allow sponsorships checkbox in settings. All that does is cause the Sponsor button on the home page to disappear. The funds will continue to be used to pay for hosting fees.

Hope this helps.
Mark
moderated Re: #suggestion Moderators should be able to Reply to or Forward a message of 'importance' and tag it "Special Interest" in the process #suggestion

Dan Tucker - FireTuck
 

OUTSTANDING! Thanks for testing and reporting this.

 

Dan Tucker, Groups.io Owner

 

From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...>
Reply-To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Date: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 12:23 AM
To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] #suggestion Moderators should be able to Reply to or Forward a message of 'importance' and tag it "Special Interest" in the process

 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:14 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

a message sent as a Special Notice (the usual way, New Topic with the checkbox checked) can be replied to by members, and those replies come through as special also.

I just tested this in one of my subgroups and a reply to a Special Notice by a member account does not come through with the [Special] subject tag and is listed on the Activity Log as 'sent message' as opposed to 'sent special message'.

Regards
Andy

moderated Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

Judy F.
 

Hi Mark, sometime ago a bug notice was submitted for this issue.  Maybe it got lost in the shuffle. 

Here's what is happening.  This is on the Sew It's For Sale group.  When members are posting photos and editing them to adhere to our guidelines, some of them are trying to change the Owner box not realizing that it is not something they are authorized to change.  Or at least on our group they  aren't authorized to change it.  This is causing issues where they are then locked out of editing their photo since the name has been changed when they clicked the down arrow on that line. 

I had discussed this with Duane and he confirmed that he felt there was a problem and he submitted the bug report. If you have time, would you look at this and see if it is something I have set incorrectly or if it is actually a bug,  This would be a great help and time saver to me.  By the way, I am the Moderator of this group.  If you need more information, let me know and I will do my best to provide it.

Thank you,
Judy F., Moderator
Sew It's For Sale GIO
SW Florida - USA
moderated Re: Mobile/desktop menu flip #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 06:04 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The hamburger menus now slide in from the left, echoing where the sidebars are on wider pages. The group hamburger menu now has all the same items as the full screen sidebar, in the same order, and with the Admin toggle.
That looks and feels much better. Thanks.

The only other thing I would suggest is perhaps a slightly different separator above the 'About' menu item. It would help to differentiate between the menu items that relate to the page you are on and those that are on all desktop views at the bottom of the page.

Question: The group hamburger menu duplicates the items that appear on the bottom menu (Messages, Post, Chats). Should I remove those items from the hamburger menu? 
I would leave the icons at the bottom of the group page otherwise more user actions are required to get to those features which are probably the ones most commonly used.

Andy
moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

SP4149
 

Since I set up the Sponsorship as art of an upgrade to Premium decision, paid for a year with credit card on file, all sponsorship contributions are thus going into a reserve.
After an hour the list has in reserve 75% of the cost for the next year starting in 2022.

I expect in the next couple of hours to have in reserve the funds necessary for paying for another year starting Jan 2022.

How do you suspend sponsorship when you have reached full funding for the next year?

If I disable sponsorship in Settings, do the reserve funds disappear?

Is there a method to suspend sponsorship until the reserve needs to be increased to cover a full year's funding?

In retrospect I should have upgraded to Premium for only a month, collected sponsorship funds in reserve for enough for a full year and then paid for a full year from reserve funds.

lesson learned.

But since i had enough pledges of Support to pay for  four year of Premium,  I don't want to collect that much to leave in reserve for four years.

ken clark
moderated Re: banned spamming email address attempted message logged as coming from "unconfirmed member" #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:58 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
A couple of days ago, my group logged an obviously spam attempted message from nonmember email address X. I immediately banned the address.

This morning there was another log entry from the same address, this time logged as from "unconfirmed member x." The email address has an NC in the banned member list but this is not an "unconfirmed member," it's a banned email address.

The term "unconfirmed member" really threw me at first and I started looking through the pending member list. So hopefully this can be changed to log as "message from banned email address" or something like that.

This has been fixed. Also, we should no longer display any badges next to banned members in the /members page.

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: Special Notice/Special Message - consistent terminology #suggestion

Mark Fletcher
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:10 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

Owners and Mods have an optional check-box to send a message as a Special Notice and Hashtags also have a Special check-box that uses the term 'special notice'.  Any use of these though shows up on the Activity Log as 'special message'. Could we get some consistency in the terminology please?

Done.

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: Mobile/desktop menu flip #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:04 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Question: The group hamburger menu duplicates the items that appear on the bottom menu (Messages, Post, Chats). Should I remove those items from the hamburger menu?
I, personally, don't have a problem with them being in both places, but some might.

Duane
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