On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:14 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

a message sent as a Special Notice (the usual way, New Topic with the checkbox checked) can be replied to by members, and those replies come through as special also.

I just tested this in one of my subgroups and a reply to a Special Notice by a member account does not come through with the [Special] subject tag and is listed on the Activity Log as 'sent message' as opposed to 'sent special message'.

Regards
Andy

Donald,

I believe it morphed into an optional group sponsorship approach where
an owner could enable it to let members donate to pay for a premium
group.

Actually, I believe this #suggestion is still under consideration.

Donations towards group fees was a separate suggestion, made by a few people (with varying details):
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27638
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27610
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25957
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25931

As well as multiple expressions of support for the idea of donation (Sponsoring) by members made in the original Pricing Changes topic.

Shal

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:36 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

I'm not sure why you're seeing it in Central time if Duane's account is Pacific time.

No, I'm on Central time (verified setting) as I mentioned a bit earlier - https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27918.

Duane

Duane,

Jan 19, 2021 00:05 This is the hashtag event #reminder
I have 24 hour time chosen, in case that makes any difference.

That would be correct if your account is Pacific time (UTC-0800).

The event is set at 2:05 am Central time (UTC-0600).
My normal account (UTC-0800) sees 12:05 am
an a test account (UTC-0500) sees 3:05 am

All correct. Unless I'm /very/ confused.

Mark,

I logged in as you and it appears as 02:05am in the feed, which
matches the event itself. If that's the event, are you still seeing
something different?

I'm not sure why you're seeing it in Central time if Duane's account is Pacific time. Maybe a weirdness in your test harness?

Shal

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 09:01 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Is this the Shal's Test 'This is the hashtag test #reminder' event? I logged in as you and it appears as 02:05am in the feed, which matches the event itself. If that's the event, are you still seeing something different?

Yes, it is.  On the feed, I see

Jan 19, 2021 00:05

This is the hashtag event #reminder (linked of course)

I have 24 hour time chosen, in case that makes any difference.

Thanks,
Duane

Dan,

I proposed a modification that would allow a Moderator - with
permission, be given the opportunity to recognize an item that should
be a Special Notice - and be able to Reply or Forward (to the Group)
any item that comes through.

Possibly this could be implemented by adding an item to the More menu: "Resend this Topic as a Special Notice".

There are a couple of potential gotcha's in that implementation.

First is the word "Resend" - I'm saying that the topic would be resent to all members (excluding No Email) not just those on Special Notices. In that way it is not different from your Copy/Paste method.

One reason to be clear about this is that a Special notice goes out with a subject prefix "[Special]" to catch the member's attention and/or activate an email filter. Another reason is that Special notices are sent both inside a Digest and as an Individual Message, for members on Digest Delivery.

Second is that word "Topic" above. IIRC a message sent as a Special Notice (the usual way, New Topic with the checkbox checked) can be replied to by members, and those replies come through as special also. So what I'm saying here is that if Topic you apply this command on has replies already, those would be resent also.

Currently, the only way to do this is to 'hijack', then Copy the
original message and create a new message from the Moderators own
address, then Paste the original message into a New Message and send
it on. Credit to the Originator is lost this way - if nothing else.

So that suggests another implementation, add an item to the More Menu:
"Copy this Message to a New Topic".

This would be effectively the same as your Copy and Paste manually, but it would copy also the original message's From information (and possibly Date/Time?) into the New Topic composition page. From there you could check the Special Notice box and send it out.

This has the advantage (or disadvantage, however you see it) of isolating a single message to be resent, rather than potentially a whole topic.

I hope this helps (rather than confuses) some issues for you and Mark.

Shal

Mark, I really like this new "sponsorship" option. In my large/active premium (hobbyist) group, I had no difficulty getting contributors for the annual fee at renewal time, but going through PayPal to my individual account was not ideal. I did not want to set up a Stripe account in order to use the previous donation function. My smaller groups do not need premium functions, but it is nice that individuals can make donations there if they wish. And optional "donations" to a particular group or groups should be more palatable to my members, vs paying the GIO organization per se just to come through the door, even if only a small yearly amount.

I also appreciate the fact that GIO is absorbing the processing fees, which makes things much more simple.  

If needed, my large "legacy" group would likely be willing to _voluntarily_ pay a higher amount. An additional "donation" if you will, in addition to the billed rate. I do hope that there are enough new groups that  "grandfathering" does not need to be phased out.  Linda N

Mark . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:02:26 -0800, "Mark M" <mark@mmurphy.net> wrote:

I've completely given up trying to understand the complications and rules of the paid user proposal being discussed here, and I believe most group owners would do the same. I really did try.

I should have included this message from Mark:

group sponsorship:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27874


Donald


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https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main

Andy . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:22:24 -0800, "Andy" <AI.egrps+io@gmail.com>
wrote:

So, when the changes take effect in February, will they be retro-active to group changes since January 18?

Mark made an announcement that said it would happen on Feb 2, and I
believe his intent was for everything involved there to be effective
on that date.

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27886


Donald


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https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main

Mark . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:02:26 -0800, "Mark M" <mark@mmurphy.net> wrote:

I've completely given up trying to understand the complications and rules of the paid user proposal being discussed here, and I believe most group owners would do the same. I really did try.

I believe it morphed into an optional group sponsorship approach where
an owner could enable it to let members donate to pay for a premium
group. Then the funds would be used toward paying the premium fee. If
there were more funds than needed, it would completely pay for the
fee, and if less, then the owner would make it up or the group would
drop to a basic group.

I think that covers it, but it was, indeed, confusing to follow.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main

The page https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27191 has a confusing mix of dates.  It says February 2 near the top, but January 18 in four other places in the same message.

?

So, when the changes take effect in February, will they be retro-active to group changes since January 18?

Andy

I've completely given up trying to understand the complications and rules of the paid user proposal being discussed here, and I believe most group owners would do the same. I really did try.

I agree with you, although I did not realize they were absorbing the cost until now. Just need to clarify things for the members of my group, who are wary of "new" things. Thank you.
Nancy

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:20 PM, Niman H wrote:

So the funds accumulated stay in the group account. What happens to them if a group closes?

Sponsorships are non-refundable, and on that basis I assume any funds remaining for a now-defunct group will be forfeited to groups.io (and in fact, may have already been spent). Given that GIO is absorbing the Stripe processing cost of each such transaction, I really have no problem with that.

Regards,
Bruce

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 03:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

This has been fixed now.

Still not working here.  There's an event set for CST (which I'm on), but the feed is still showing PST (same for events set to PST)  I've tried Shift+Reload as well as CTRL+F5.

Duane

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

No fees are added to the amount the person chooses to sponsor. That is, if someone chooses to sponsor the group for $10, then $10 will be charged to their credit card. The credit card processing fees are taken out from that amount.

 

Mark, Will the entire $10 donation amount be credited to the group for the group's maintenance, or the net amount that you will receive after Stripe takes their piece?
Annick