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moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

Duane
 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 09:01 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Is this the Shal's Test 'This is the hashtag test #reminder' event? I logged in as you and it appears as 02:05am in the feed, which matches the event itself. If that's the event, are you still seeing something different?
Yes, it is.  On the feed, I see

Jan 19, 2021 00:05 This is the hashtag event #reminder (linked of course)
I have 24 hour time chosen, in case that makes any difference.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: #suggestion Moderators should be able to Reply to or Forward a message of 'importance' and tag it "Special Interest" in the process #suggestion

 

Dan,

I proposed a modification that would allow a Moderator - with
permission, be given the opportunity to recognize an item that should
be a Special Notice - and be able to Reply or Forward (to the Group)
any item that comes through.
Possibly this could be implemented by adding an item to the More menu: "Resend this Topic as a Special Notice".

There are a couple of potential gotcha's in that implementation.

First is the word "Resend" - I'm saying that the topic would be resent to all members (excluding No Email) not just those on Special Notices. In that way it is not different from your Copy/Paste method.

One reason to be clear about this is that a Special notice goes out with a subject prefix "[Special]" to catch the member's attention and/or activate an email filter. Another reason is that Special notices are sent both inside a Digest and as an Individual Message, for members on Digest Delivery.

Second is that word "Topic" above. IIRC a message sent as a Special Notice (the usual way, New Topic with the checkbox checked) can be replied to by members, and those replies come through as special also. So what I'm saying here is that if Topic you apply this command on has replies already, those would be resent also.

Currently, the only way to do this is to 'hijack', then Copy the
original message and create a new message from the Moderators own
address, then Paste the original message into a New Message and send
it on. Credit to the Originator is lost this way - if nothing else.
So that suggests another implementation, add an item to the More Menu:
"Copy this Message to a New Topic".

This would be effectively the same as your Copy and Paste manually, but it would copy also the original message's From information (and possibly Date/Time?) into the New Topic composition page. From there you could check the Special Notice box and send it out.

This has the advantage (or disadvantage, however you see it) of isolating a single message to be resent, rather than potentially a whole topic.

I hope this helps (rather than confuses) some issues for you and Mark.

Shal


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

 

Mark, I really like this new "sponsorship" option. In my large/active premium (hobbyist) group, I had no difficulty getting contributors for the annual fee at renewal time, but going through PayPal to my individual account was not ideal. I did not want to set up a Stripe account in order to use the previous donation function. My smaller groups do not need premium functions, but it is nice that individuals can make donations there if they wish. And optional "donations" to a particular group or groups should be more palatable to my members, vs paying the GIO organization per se just to come through the door, even if only a small yearly amount.

I also appreciate the fact that GIO is absorbing the processing fees, which makes things much more simple.  

If needed, my large "legacy" group would likely be willing to _voluntarily_ pay a higher amount. An additional "donation" if you will, in addition to the billed rate. I do hope that there are enough new groups that  "grandfathering" does not need to be phased out.  Linda N


moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

 

Hi Duane,

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:45 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 03:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This has been fixed now.
Still not working here.  There's an event set for CST (which I'm on), but the feed is still showing PST (same for events set to PST)  I've tried Shift+Reload as well as CTRL+F5.


Is this the Shal's Test 'This is the hashtag test #reminder' event? I logged in as you and it appears as 02:05am in the feed, which matches the event itself. If that's the event, are you still seeing something different?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Pricing change date change #update

 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 6:22 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
The page https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27191 has a confusing mix of dates.  It says February 2 near the top, but January 18 in four other places in the same message.

Sorry, fixed. All dates are Tuesday, February 2nd, 2021.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

Mark . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:02:26 -0800, "Mark M" <mark@mmurphy.net> wrote:

I've completely given up trying to understand the complications and rules of the paid user proposal being discussed here, and I believe most group owners would do the same. I really did try.
I should have included this message from Mark:

group sponsorship:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27874


Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


moderated Re: Pricing change date change #update

Donald Hellen
 

Andy . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:22:24 -0800, "Andy" <AI.egrps+io@gmail.com>
wrote:

So, when the changes take effect in February, will they be retro-active to group changes since January 18?
Mark made an announcement that said it would happen on Feb 2, and I
believe his intent was for everything involved there to be effective
on that date.

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27886


Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

Mark . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:02:26 -0800, "Mark M" <mark@mmurphy.net> wrote:

I've completely given up trying to understand the complications and rules of the paid user proposal being discussed here, and I believe most group owners would do the same. I really did try.
I believe it morphed into an optional group sponsorship approach where
an owner could enable it to let members donate to pay for a premium
group. Then the funds would be used toward paying the premium fee. If
there were more funds than needed, it would completely pay for the
fee, and if less, then the owner would make it up or the group would
drop to a basic group.

I think that covers it, but it was, indeed, confusing to follow.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


moderated Re: Pricing change date change #update

Andy
 

The page https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27191 has a confusing mix of dates.  It says February 2 near the top, but January 18 in four other places in the same message.

?

So, when the changes take effect in February, will they be retro-active to group changes since January 18?

Andy


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

Mark Murphy
 

I've completely given up trying to understand the complications and rules of the paid user proposal being discussed here, and I believe most group owners would do the same. I really did try.


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

Niman H
 

I agree with you, although I did not realize they were absorbing the cost until now. Just need to clarify things for the members of my group, who are wary of "new" things. Thank you.
Nancy


moderated Re: Samuel's Paid User Proposal #suggestion

monamouroui
 

I'd be interested in learning from Sandi and Samuel what problem it is they are trying to solve. 

Sara


On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 10:10 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 07:00 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
these last two posts are the best arguments I’ve ever seen *against* implementing this extremely complicated (and potentially political) feature.
That refers to Sandi's and Samuel's posts.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:20 PM, Niman H wrote:
So the funds accumulated stay in the group account. What happens to them if a group closes?
Sponsorships are non-refundable, and on that basis I assume any funds remaining for a now-defunct group will be forfeited to groups.io (and in fact, may have already been spent). Given that GIO is absorbing the Stripe processing cost of each such transaction, I really have no problem with that.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

Duane
 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 03:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This has been fixed now.
Still not working here.  There's an event set for CST (which I'm on), but the feed is still showing PST (same for events set to PST)  I've tried Shift+Reload as well as CTRL+F5.

Duane


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:28 PM Annick Phillips <annick@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
No fees are added to the amount the person chooses to sponsor. That is, if someone chooses to sponsor the group for $10, then $10 will be charged to their credit card. The credit card processing fees are taken out from that amount.
 
Mark, Will the entire $10 donation amount be credited to the group for the group's maintenance, or the net amount that you will receive after Stripe takes their piece?

All of it.

Mark 


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

Annick Phillips
 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
No fees are added to the amount the person chooses to sponsor. That is, if someone chooses to sponsor the group for $10, then $10 will be charged to their credit card. The credit card processing fees are taken out from that amount.
 
Mark, Will the entire $10 donation amount be credited to the group for the group's maintenance, or the net amount that you will receive after Stripe takes their piece?
Annick
 


moderated Re: #bug event times in /feed are all 8 hours out #bug

 

Hello,

This has been fixed now. You may need to do a force reload (hold down the shift key while clicking the browser reload button).

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:05 AM Samuel Murrayy <samuelmurray@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 07:22 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It will not show up if you are logged out of Groups.io completely.
I tested this, and: it does show up in my test group.  However, when I click it, I'm asked to log in or sign up.

Oh, err, you're right.

 
What is a reason why people must be registered with Groups.io to use that button?  Why can't non-members sponsor a group?  And is there a specific reason why such people can't sponsor via e.g. PayPal?

They need an account with Groups.io to sponsor a group because the payment mechanism uses existing code that requires a Groups.io account. I don't see that as a serious impediment. If you're interested in a group, you probably have a Groups.io account anyways.

I haven't added Paypal because the last time I looked at Paypal, their API was a mess and it made me feel dumb because I couldn't figure it out. I think their API has changed over the last few years; I will work up the courage to look at it again at some point.

Mark 


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

Lynne
 

Thanks, Andy, there must be a bit of a delay.  I checked moments ago and it wasn't there and now it is.

Lynne

 wrote:

It's a new button rather than a notice that appears on the homepage.


moderated Re: Group Sponsorships #update

Samuel Murrayy
 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 07:22 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It will not show up if you are logged out of Groups.io completely.
I tested this, and: it does show up in my test group.  However, when I click it, I'm asked to log in or sign up.

What is a reason why people must be registered with Groups.io to use that button?  Why can't non-members sponsor a group?  And is there a specific reason why such people can't sponsor via e.g. PayPal?

Samuel

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