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moderated Re: Calendar issue - ICS shows something other than the UI #bug

Ry Jones
 

I'm using Fastmail's calendar. Also, when I use a python iCal parser, I see:

ry@mm giocal % grep TSC parsed.txt 

2020-12-24 07:00:00-08:00 - [Hyperledger TSC] Technical Steering Committee (TSC)

2020-12-31 07:00:00-08:00 - [Hyperledger TSC] Technical Steering Committee (TSC)

2021-01-07 07:00:00-08:00 - [Hyperledger TSC] Technical Steering Committee (TSC)

2021-01-13 09:00:00-08:00 - [Hyperledger TSC] Marketing Committee - Developer Relations sync

2021-01-14 07:00:00-08:00 - [Hyperledger TSC] Technical Steering Committee (TSC)


I notice the EXDATE clauses are at the end of the stanza:

BEGIN:VEVENT

X-GIOIDS:Repeat:32226

UID:ulR6.1602175450496383515.i0MB@...

DTSTAMP:20201221T204803Z

ORGANIZER;CN=TSC:mailto:community-architects@...

DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20201105T070000

DTEND;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20201105T080000

RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=TH

SUMMARY:[Hyperledger TSC] Technical Steering Committee (TSC)

DESCRIPTION:Please see the agenda: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/T

 SC/TSC+Meeting+Agendas\n\nJoin Zoom Meeting:\n\n* Click to join ( https:/

 /zoom.us/j/93304666234?pwd=OEswSmpjS2oxeWE2NmZId2hBanBnQT09 )\n* Meeting

 ID: 933 0466 6234\n* Passcode: 069643\n\nPlease download and import the f

 ollowing iCalendar (.ics) files to your calendar system:\n\n* TSC ICS fil

 e ( https://zoom.us/meeting/tJcud-2uqD0oGdCRhSPPVudkYn_hZb-W7SRT/ics?icsT

 oken=98tyKuCrrTsuHNKTshqDRowqA4igLO7wpiFBjad-rhfWMxBldwf9D-x9Ooh9Xe-H )

LOCATION:https://zoom.us/j/93304666234?pwd=OEswSmpjS2oxeWE2NmZId2hBanBnQT

 09

SEQUENCE:0

EXDATE:20201126T150000Z

EXDATE:20201112T150000Z

EXDATE:20201217T150000Z

EXDATE:20201224T150000Z

EXDATE:20201231T150000Z

EXDATE:20210107T150000Z

END:VEVENT



And now, for whatever reason, my fastmail calendar: https://user.fm/calendar/v1-ed6b298fe31d41e47eeff58a3f84f2d9/Hyperledger%20Public%20Calendar.ics contains the correct data.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:46 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi Ry,

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM Ry Jones <rjones@...> wrote:
While trying to debug an issue, I found that the ICS feed:
Shows, for example, a meeting on 24-DEC for the TSC. However, when I look in the UI, that meeting is correctly deleted.
If you look here:
The meeting does not show. It also doesn't show on my UI view, as a user.


I'm thinking it's a calendar specific issue. What calendar program are you using to view the ICS feed? I imported the feed into Google Cal, and no deleted events showed up.

Thanks,
Mark



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Ry Jones
Community Architect, Hyperledger


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Peter Cook
 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
So how much does it cost to become a non-profit group?
This isn't a GIO conversation, of course. But the first question is not "How much does it cost?" It's "Do we fulfill the state and federal requirements to become one?" 

Look up requirements for non-profit status in [your state].

Pete


moderated Re: Calendar issue - ICS shows something other than the UI #bug

 

Hi Ry,

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM Ry Jones <rjones@...> wrote:
While trying to debug an issue, I found that the ICS feed:
Shows, for example, a meeting on 24-DEC for the TSC. However, when I look in the UI, that meeting is correctly deleted.
If you look here:
The meeting does not show. It also doesn't show on my UI view, as a user.


I'm thinking it's a calendar specific issue. What calendar program are you using to view the ICS feed? I imported the feed into Google Cal, and no deleted events showed up.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Bill in OKC too
 

So how much does it cost to become a non-profit group?  My premium group, grandfathered, is $110 a year, paid annually. A new group is currently $200/year, until the price increase happens. An Enterprise group is $200/month, or (IIRC) $2200/ year. Half that IIRC for a registered non-profit group. Lots more resources, but my group is only around 3500 people. One I'm trying to help get more resources is about 4400 people. How do I generate enough $$ from the small groups we have that have a hard time coming up with what we need for the groups we have now? 

Bill in OKC


moderated Calendar issue - ICS shows something other than the UI #bug

Ry Jones
 

While trying to debug an issue, I found that the ICS feed:
Shows, for example, a meeting on 24-DEC for the TSC. However, when I look in the UI, that meeting is correctly deleted.
If you look here:
The meeting does not show. It also doesn't show on my UI view, as a user.
Ry

--
Ry Jones
Community Architect, Hyperledger


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Samuel Murrayy
 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 09:09 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
ken,

> Apparent list target sizes :
> Free - 100 members
> Premium - 400 members
> Enterprise - 1000 members

I don't believe these are targets. Merely the number that are included
in the base price of the plan.
I also interpret Mark's comment the way Ken does.  Mark says "the pricing plans will be based on the number of members in the group".

Samuel


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Marina
 

Duane wrote:

  If I were starting
out on GIO now (actually after the change), I'm not sure I'd even consider it
as a platform for us.  I might consider paying for one group and using
subgroups, but even that would run around $1700/yr (possibly more) for
Premium.  I know I would get contributions from some members, but I doubt
that it would cover the total cost.
I am in the same situation. I am the owner of a group with 2300 members. The group has been around since 1999 as a free space for discussing literary translation to/from Italian and it's always been open to anyone interested in the subject. We do ask prospective members to introduce themselves, but we do not kick them out if they are not professional translators. The group is run on a voluntary basis, there is no organization or monetization involved.
We don't use polls, chat and photos and we do not allow attachments. We could do without database and files, too.
I might consider paying an annual flat fee of $200, I think I could crowdfund such a sum, but in no way I could pay over $1000/year.
I can understand Mark's concern about the sustainability of GIO, but should the new rules apply to grandfathered groups, too, I would simply have to move somewhere else.

Marina


moderated Re: RSVP Waitlist Promotion Issues #bug

 

Hello,

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 5:50 AM Charlie Behnken <charles.behnken@...> wrote:
I've had two reports of issues with the promotion from the Waitlist to Attending recently - both on the same event.

This is a small event with a limit of 10 people.  Most are singles, but a few are +1s.  The invite was sent out on December 16th and about 23 people RSVP'd as Will Attend.  The 10th person to respond was a +1 and was put on the Waitlist.  Unexpectedly, to us,  the next person to respond was accepted as an attendee. 

I have fixed this behavior. Someone earlier in the waitlist with a +1 will prevent someone later on the waitlist from being added, even if that later person doesn't have a +1.

 
The second one was on the same event where there were about 12 people on the Waitlist when on December 17th a response was changed to Not Attending.  In this case no one was promoted and the spot remained open until on December 18th a totally new response was received.  This person should have been the 13th on the Waitlist, but instead they were immediately accepted and filled the 10th spot.  This is definitely a bug, and the leader had to reach out to them, explain the system incorrectly accepted their response, and manually remove them from the  event.

I wasn't able to reproduce this, but I believe the changes I made will prevent this from happening in the future.

Also, on the /viewevent page, I'm now include +1 numbers when displaying the number of people on the waitlist as well as the number of people ahead of you on the waitlist.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Guys, as I've already said, I understand that. I'm simply wanting to make it more difficult to share the data en masse, especially in digitally readable format. 


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

 

On 21 Dec 2020 at 7:30, Peter Cook wrote:

So my request is to have the option in the Permissions section of a table to
disallow anyone other than the table owner, the groups owner, and/or the group
moderators to export the contents of the table.

Pete
If someone can see the data, then they can save it to their own computer, if only as a screen shot. There is no way anyone can prevent that.

Jim Fisher


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Ok. I give.


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:49 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
I understand that. As I said, I just don't want to make it easy to send this out in a wholesale way, as in a spreadsheet export.
Just did a quick test and they don't even have to do screen captures, just use View Page Source (in Firefox) and copy what they want from there.

Duane


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:43 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
Yeah, that's a separate conversation from GIO. I'm just looking for a tool to help.

 

 
(This was a response, to toki, not Duane.)


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:43 AM, Duane wrote:
If they can see the table, they can always do screen captures. 
I understand that. As I said, I just don't want to make it easy to send this out in a wholesale way, as in a spreadsheet export.


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Yeah, that's a separate conversation from GIO. I'm just looking for a tool to help.


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:11 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
So my request is to have the option in the Permissions section of a table to disallow anyone other than the table owner, the groups owner, and/or the group moderators to export the contents of the table.
I don't see how that could work.  If they can see the table, they can always do screen captures.  A little more work, but they've still got all the information.

Duane


moderated Re: Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

toki
 

On 21/12/2020 15:30, Peter Cook wrote:> So my request is to have the option in the Permissions section of a table to disallow anyone other than the table owner, the groups owner, and/or the group moderators to export the contents of the table.
If a user can access the table, the user can export the table.

This is where you have to do a deep dive into what data you are providing, and why you providing each specific datum.

Depending upon your legal jurisdiction, national, provincial/state, county/parish/district, city/town/village statutes, regulations, ordinances, and laws may have a bearing upon what data your organization may disseminate, either publicly, semi-publicly, or privately.
Also note that employers may have rules about data dissemination of employees by other organizations. Rules that may or may not be legally binding.

jonathon


moderated Bad debounce uri for plus addresses #bug

Enrico Scholz
 

I use plus addresses (e.g. "foo+maillists.groups.io@...") for my subscriptions.  When messages are bouncing, I get a request URI which does not escape the "+",server side translates this to whitespace and debouncing fails without any comment.

This is the case both for E-Mail messages

| You must take action to restore your account. To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
|
| https://groups.io/unbounce?email=maillists.groups.io@...&cookie=.....

and the link in the banner on the website.


groups.io should escape the '+' to '%2b'

[Mod note: Added a subject to the message.]


moderated Preventing the export of a table by non-owners #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

One of my groups is limited to the residents of my community. It contains database that is an opt-in directory of residents, including some who are actually group members. (It's a holdover from the days when we used to publish a hardcopy directory of everyone in the neighborhood and provide one to every household.) We're grappling with privacy issues here and want to minimize this data getting out into the world, at least in a wholesale way.

So my request is to have the option in the Permissions section of a table to disallow anyone other than the table owner, the groups owner, and/or the group moderators to export the contents of the table.

Thanks for your consideration.

Pete


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Ellen Moody
 

Thank you, Mark.  And as merry a Christmas to you as you can manage, Ellen


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:49 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 4:25 AM Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote:
Just to be clear:  I own/moderate 3 lists, one is 234 members (Trollope&Peers), another, 148 (18thCenturyWorlds), the third, 133 (WomenWriters, femnist); we began March 2002; we have 
no special features that I know of.

So I take it we are to be grandmothered (I'm a woman) in to be for free, even though all three are above 100.  I do not expect any gigantic increases for the foreseeable future. I haven't 
checked but my impression is maybe 5-10 people join a year, but then we also lose some people. We think we are valuable: we are literary lists, reading and studying literature and art 
subdivided in three different ways together.

That is correct. Your groups would be considered legacy and nothing would change.

Thanks,
Mark 

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