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locked Re: receiving my own copy of messages, that can't be disabled? Why!

 

Any group that did that to me would immediately lose me as a member. I belong
to a lot of mailing lists and find it much more convenient and quicker to
simply read all my emails in date/time sequence, regardless of source, than to
have to visit lote of different web sites to see what, if anything, has been
posted, quite apart from the problem of remembering them all in order to do so.
I haven't had a problem with getting my own messages back, so I know they have
gone through.

Jim Fisher

On 5 May 2015 at 23:12, stuartjed@zoho.com wrote:

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 04:00 am, Trish wrote:

Agreed. It's very nice to get verification the messages have gone through. Most
of my group members are not tech savvy and few go to the actual group site to
view messages there, so getting a copy back is the only way >they know for sure
the group members got their message. Without this feature, we would constantly
be getting extra messages asking if anyone saw their post.
That seems to be an ever present problem. I have many times made a post to a
Yahoo group and had it not arrive at the groups webpage and seen posts there
that did not get through to my mailbox.  This became so frustrating that I
always now post and read on the groups webpage, however I still cannot be sure
people have received it. The solution seems to be to have all group members
using the webpage and forget unreliable email, the same way that many people use
other online forums.   I think it would be good to have an option for a group
owner to be able to turn off email in and out for the group. People would get
used to that quickly and there would be much less confusion.
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locked Re: Spam button reports

 

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

There is currently no way to show all +owner
messages from all members at once, however.
Seems like a tab with that same title would fit nicely on the Messages page
(as seen by an owner/moderator).

Have you been, or would you going forward, archive also the messages to
+owner sent by non-subscribers? I think I'd want them too.
Added to the TODO list.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: receiving my own copy of messages, that can't be disabled? Why!

 

Hi stuartjed,

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:12 PM, <stuartjed@zoho.com> wrote:

I think it would be good to have an option for a group owner to be able to
turn off email in and out for the group. People would get used to that
quickly and there would be much less confusion.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think that's a good option to
add. People value the flexibility of being able to choose how to
participate in the groups they're a part of. Email is (still) a big
part of that.

Cheers,
Mark


locked Re: "Topics in this digest" Glitch

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:10 AM, <whofanvidme@zoho.com> wrote:
I like the way you've started grouping messages together by topic in the
index which appears at the top of each digest. It makes for a much less
cluttered look. However, the second one came through looking like this:
mutters to himself... "i will test every change no matter how small. i
will test every change no matter how small."

Should be fixed now. Sorry about that.

Thanks,
Mark


locked "Topics in this digest" Glitch

 

I like the way you've started grouping messages together by topic in the
index which appears at the top of each digest. It makes for a much less
cluttered look. However, the second one came through looking like this:

Topics in this digest:

 1. Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages (2)
 2. Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages (2)
 3. Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages (2)
 4. Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages
 5. Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages (10)


locked Re: receiving my own copy of messages, that can't be disabled? Why!

 

On 5/6/2015 12:09 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
Personally, I don't want to let group managers limit my options that way. As a user of the service I prefer to be allowed to choose email or web as my needs dictate. For me, email is "sticky" - a service I use frequently - whereas most web sites are "out of sight, out of mind".
Like.

dg
(or <aol> if you've been around long enough)


locked Re: receiving my own copy of messages, that can't be disabled? Why!

 

FYI, I did not write the blue part. Since it's all in the same font, some people might think I did. 

Trish

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:12 AM, <stuartjed@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 04:00 am, Trish wrote:
>Agreed. It's very nice to get verification the messages have gone through. Most of my group members are not tech savvy and few go to the actual group site to view messages there, so getting a copy back is the only way >they know for sure the group members got their message. Without this feature, we would constantly be getting extra messages asking if anyone saw their post.

That seems to be an ever present problem. I have many times made a post to a Yahoo group and had it not arrive at the groups webpage and seen posts there that did not get through to my mailbox.  This became so frustrating that I always now post and read on the groups webpage, however I still cannot be sure people have received it. The solution seems to be to have all group members using the webpage and forget unreliable email, the same way that many people use other online forums.  

I think it would be good to have an option for a group owner to be able to turn off email in and out for the group. People would get used to that quickly and there would be much less confusion. 



locked Re: receiving my own copy of messages, that can't be disabled? Why!

 

stuartjed,

I think it would be good to have an option for a group owner to be able
to turn off email in and out for the group. People would get used to
that quickly and there would be much less confusion.
LOL, did you read the Groups.io's home page before signing in?

"Email groups are one of the best ways to communicate on the Internet.
But they haven't kept up with the times. We're fixing that.
GROUPS.IO is a modern email groups service."

That said, the founder of one of the major moderator groups on Yahoo Groups advocated precisely that, as a solution to spam, viruses and other ills of email.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GroupManagersForum/conversations/messages/21095

That was about nine years ago. Yahoo never took him up on it, though it had a respectable score in the Suggestions board they had at the time.

Personally, I don't want to let group managers limit my options that way. As a user of the service I prefer to be allowed to choose email or web as my needs dictate. For me, email is "sticky" - a service I use frequently - whereas most web sites are "out of sight, out of mind".

-- Shal


locked Re: receiving my own copy of messages, that can't be disabled? Why!

Jed Stuart
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 04:00 am, Trish wrote:
>Agreed. It's very nice to get verification the messages have gone through. Most of my group members are not tech savvy and few go to the actual group site to view messages there, so getting a copy back is the only way >they know for sure the group members got their message. Without this feature, we would constantly be getting extra messages asking if anyone saw their post.

That seems to be an ever present problem. I have many times made a post to a Yahoo group and had it not arrive at the groups webpage and seen posts there that did not get through to my mailbox.  This became so frustrating that I always now post and read on the groups webpage, however I still cannot be sure people have received it. The solution seems to be to have all group members using the webpage and forget unreliable email, the same way that many people use other online forums.  

I think it would be good to have an option for a group owner to be able to turn off email in and out for the group. People would get used to that quickly and there would be much less confusion. 


locked Re: Like

 

Duane,

I can't think of any reason that we'd need (or want) it on our groups.
But perhaps your members will.

One is strictly technical, so there's a remote possibility it would be
used there. One is a social group, so no need for it at all unless
there's a Dislike choice. A third is a planning/club group and I can't
think what we'd use it for there.
I think a reasonable theory is that many people chime in on lists simply to say "I like this", or "I agree with this", and no further comment is needed. The opposite, "dislike" or "disagree" typically comes with elaboration - why you like or agree with it - or begs for one. Having a dislike option might actually impede understanding if it causes members to simply flag their disagreement without explanation.

Of course there are lots of theories on this. See also:
http://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-no-Dislike-button-on-Facebook


If Like is the only option, should we assume that the other 7 billion
plus people in the world don't like it? Puts a different slant on
things. (grin)
A rather silly slant, if I may say so.

First, any assumption about people who did not see the message makes no sense. Second, you assume there's only two possibilities, like or dislike, where a quite natural possibility is that some or most people didn't have an opinion or didn't care.

-- Shal


locked Re: Like

 

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:24 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I totally agree.
You know, you could have used the like function here. :-)

Mark


locked Re: Like

Duane
 

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 03:11 pm, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I hadn't planned on making it an option. Can you give me some more
information on why you don't want it? I figured in the grand scheme of
things it's a pretty small feature, but also, these days an expected
one.

Thanks,
Mark
I can't think of any reason that we'd need (or want) it on our groups. One is strictly technical, so there's a remote possibility it would be used there. One is a social group, so no need for it at all unless there's a Dislike choice. A third is a planning/club group and I can't think what we'd use it for there.

I asked ten people from my groups about it and only one even had any idea what it was for. I suspect it would cause lots of confusion, especially when they couldn't see another choice.

If Like is the only option, should we assume that the other 7 billion plus people in the world don't like it? Puts a different slant on things. (grin)

Duane


locked Re: Spam button reports

 

Mark,

I'm sure nobody knows about this, be we do archive +owner messages
that were sent from subscribers. To see the +owner messages from a
given member, click a member from the Members list, and then the
+owner Messages tab from the top.
I must have seen that before, but completely forgot about it.

There is currently no way to show all +owner
messages from all members at once, however.
Seems like a tab with that same title would fit nicely on the Messages page (as seen by an owner/moderator).

Have you been, or would you going forward, archive also the messages to +owner sent by non-subscribers? I think I'd want them too.

-- Shal


locked Re: Spam button reports

 

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Giving the member a way to report the message directly might well reduce the temptation to click the Spam button. At least after the first time, when the resubscribe message tells the (former) member what to do instead.

Of course "report" often implies more than just "spam", it implies any rule-breaking including offensive material or personal attacks. And that may be just as well.

" o Moderator - I think this content isn't appropriate for our Group. This includes rants and insulting other group members. The Group owner and/or moderator is responsible for maintaining their community and can address these issues.

" o Yahoo - I think this violates the Terms of Service. This includes : harm to minors, violence or threats, harassment or privacy invasion, impersonation or misrepresentation, fraud or phishing."
I'm definitely warming to this idea. Let me mock up a page in the next
day or so.


I suppose the simple thing would be to post the submitted report to the group's +owner address. I've always been a bit disappointed that Y!G's -owner address didn't have an archive of its own, available only to the moderators. But that's a separate feature request.
I'm sure nobody knows about this, be we do archive +owner messages
that were sent from subscribers. To see the +owner messages from a
given member, click a member from the Members list, and then the
+owner Messages tab from the top. It's dusty code, but I just tested
it and it works. There is currently no way to show all +owner messages
from all members at once, however.


Mark


locked Re: Moderating calendar reminders

 

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Mark,

What if I added the ability for specific hashtags to be moderated?
I like that. A nice general facility, which goes well with the ability to close or moderate a thread.
I've begun working on this. It seems like a simple addition (to me, at
least), but unfortunately it requires refactoring of some code.
Hopefully by the end of the week.

Jim, this gets you what you want. You can change #cal-reminder to be
moderated. And it's generally applicable to other uses. Adding a group
toggle seems like overkill, although I'll be happy to be convinced
otherwise.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Like

Judy F.
 

I totally agree.

Judy
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 6:15 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Like

Hello,
I'm not sure whether I want this, either.
At the end of the day, what we would end up with, is a social site, working
with emails. I like the buty of mailing lists.
Sent from the BrailleNote


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 5 May 2015 15:11:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Like

Hi Duane,

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you be making Like an owner option? I really don't want
it.

I hadn't planned on making it an option. Can you give me some
more
information on why you don't want it? I figured in the grand
scheme of
things it's a pretty small feature, but also, these days an
expected
one.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Like

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
I'm not sure whether I want this, either.
At the end of the day, what we would end up with, is a
social site, working with emails. I like the buty of mailing lists.
Sent from the BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 5 May 2015 15:11:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Like

Hi Duane,

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you be making Like an owner option? I really don't want it.

I hadn't planned on making it an option. Can you give me some more
information on why you don't want it? I figured in the grand scheme of
things it's a pretty small feature, but also, these days an expected
one.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Like

 

Hi Duane,

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you be making Like an owner option? I really don't want it.
I hadn't planned on making it an option. Can you give me some more
information on why you don't want it? I figured in the grand scheme of
things it's a pretty small feature, but also, these days an expected
one.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Like

Duane
 

Will you be making Like an owner option? I really don't want it.

Duane


locked Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages

Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 04:59 am, Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@yahoo.fr> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:53 pm, Jim Poston <@poston> wrote:Sounds cool, but
if we somehow grab all our messages, do you plan to
provide a facility to import them here?
Agree with that.
If someone say how send the Y! G messages archive. Maybe it's possible to use a forward extension for Firefox Thunderbird.