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locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Frances
 

As an older user of Facebook, it drives me crazy when I "like" something that is tragic. I "like" the report of the hurricane damage, etc. Wish there were some other term! However it is so well established that I guess it is the one that has to be used. 

Basically when I "like" something in Facebook, I am saying I agree with the sentiment or your opinion, or I read the linked article and it was spot on, or hey, I loved this picture of your dog.


locked Re: about messages from non-members

 

Hi Judy,

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:52 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark, would you explain about the bi and monthly notices going away when the calendar is active.  Will the notices then be sent from the calendar entry?  If yes, our notices that go out to the group monthly, etc. are long how will that work. 


The idea is that you can create a monthly event with a reminder. In the event description, you put your monthly message. The reminder causes it to be emailed to your users.

 

 

While I’m thinking about it, will we still be able to send messages to the group and include or not include Special Notice members?

 

We currently don't have a special notices feature. It's on the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

Perhaps the ability to subscribe to the calendar on other apps such as Google Calendar?


In keeping with the whole integrations thing, this is definitely on the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Didn't receive the reminder I'd set for my 8pm (PST) event in shalstest group. It had two reminders set, 5 minutes and 1 day. I created the event less than one day in advance so I didn't really expect to get the 1 day reminder, but should have received the 5 minute reminder.

I just tested it myself and it worked for me. Unfortunately, the logs rolled before I could look at what happened at 7:55pm last night. I've changed the logs so that I'll have more information.

Reminders do not get sent to people with No Mail subscriptions, or for subscriptions that are pending or banned. Could that be the case for shalstest? If not, can you run another test? I'll have better logs this time to try to diagnose the problem.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Neither the calendar nor the event editor show me the time zone I'm in. I think at least the calendar ought to. The display of the time zone in the calendar may as well be an affordance (drop list) to adjust it without having to switch to the Profile Edit page and back (that's not saying to remove it from the Profile).

Good idea. There's now a timezone picker in the calendar view, which when changed, sets your profile timezone as well.

 
Adjusting the Start time does not cause the End time to adjust by the same amount. That's a common and handy feature.

Also a good idea, and fixed.

 
The rich text formatting tools are absent a color picker.

Fixed!

 
 
Because events can generate reminders, and reminders go out as email, the group manager must be able to moderate the events (otherwise the option to allow subscribers to edit events is a means to bypass message moderation). Because the "Moderated" and "New Users Moderated" group settings are described with the generic "posts" it may be adequate to tie the moderation of events to those same controls (including the individual member's posting override, if any). A pending event should not be shown on the calendar to other members, and should not generate any reminders. Approval of the event would implicitly approve any reminders it generates.

Excellent idea, and I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks!
Mark 


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Perhaps the ability to subscribe to the calendar on other apps such as Google Calendar?

Option to make calendar visible to people outside of the group?

Eventually, events might become more like Facebook events where you can RSVP and mods can send messages to all members of an event.


locked Re: First Impressions of Groups.io

 

One reason why Facebook groups might be more popular is that people wish to segregate their notifications into Facebook. Some people feel that mailing lists clog up their inbox.


locked Collapsing of messages

 

Mark, If you look at your message here: https://groups.io/thread/7557?m=0&o=0, your entire message was collapsed.

I've seen that in a few other messages as well.


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Hi Mark!

Calendars are tricky beasts; no doubt there will be bugs. Please let me
know if you find anything or have suggestions.
Didn't receive the reminder I'd set for my 8pm (PST) event in shalstest group. It had two reminders set, 5 minutes and 1 day. I created the event less than one day in advance so I didn't really expect to get the 1 day reminder, but should have received the 5 minute reminder.

Noticed that it is possible to set the end time ahead of the start time. Looks like they automatically get reversed upon save. That may be the best answer, not sure.

-- Shal


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Cherrill <cdjamieson@...>
 

 
 
 
 
 
 here we all go ... save it in your animations
Cherrill
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/11/2014 2:49:43 PM
Subject: "Like" for the email-centric (was Re: [beta] First Impressions of Groups.io)
 
Ian Gillis wrote:
 
> ("like")
 
Heh.
 
I wonder if there's a way to bring the facile nature of "Like" to email-centric dinosaurs like myself.
 
Perhaps as an email command. Reply to the message but add +like to group's address to 'tick' the Like counter of the original message. I had considered a hashtag for the purpose instead, but I wouldn't want the act of clicking "Like" to generate a message to the group. Using an alternate address makes it clear that this is a special function and not a group posting.
 
Naturally, there could also be a "Like" link in the message footer. But if that's other than a mailto: then there's the issue of how it works for email-only subscribers.
 
On the receiving side members could opt-in to receive email notification when someone "Like"s their message. The like count could be included in daily digests of messages.
 
And if you're considering having a global "activity in your groups" type of daily digest likes could be listed there, I'd certainly sign on for that.
 
-- Shal
 
 
 
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locked "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

Ian Gillis wrote:

("like")
Heh.

I wonder if there's a way to bring the facile nature of "Like" to email-centric dinosaurs like myself.

Perhaps as an email command. Reply to the message but add +like to group's address to 'tick' the Like counter of the original message. I had considered a hashtag for the purpose instead, but I wouldn't want the act of clicking "Like" to generate a message to the group. Using an alternate address makes it clear that this is a special function and not a group posting.

Naturally, there could also be a "Like" link in the message footer. But if that's other than a mailto: then there's the issue of how it works for email-only subscribers.

On the receiving side members could opt-in to receive email notification when someone "Like"s their message. The like count could be included in daily digests of messages.

And if you're considering having a global "activity in your groups" type of daily digest likes could be listed there, I'd certainly sign on for that.
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2530.html

-- Shal


locked Re: First Impressions of Groups.io

 


On 8 November 2014 06:32, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
That's the feedback I've been receiving from others as well, and I believe you're absolutely correct; we need a mobile app.

​ ("like")!​



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locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Hi Mark!

Calendars are tricky beasts; no doubt there will be bugs. Please let me
know if you find anything or have suggestions.
Neither the calendar nor the event editor show me the time zone I'm in. I think at least the calendar ought to. The display of the time zone in the calendar may as well be an affordance (drop list) to adjust it without having to switch to the Profile Edit page and back (that's not saying to remove it from the Profile).

Adjusting the Start time does not cause the End time to adjust by the same amount. That's a common and handy feature.

The rich text formatting tools are absent a color picker.

There is no attachment tool, but then there isn't for messages either.

Because events can generate reminders, and reminders go out as email, the group manager must be able to moderate the events (otherwise the option to allow subscribers to edit events is a means to bypass message moderation). Because the "Moderated" and "New Users Moderated" group settings are described with the generic "posts" it may be adequate to tie the moderation of events to those same controls (including the individual member's posting override, if any). A pending event should not be shown on the calendar to other members, and should not generate any reminders. Approval of the event would implicitly approve any reminders it generates.

-- Shal


locked Re: about messages from non-members

Judy F.
 

Thanks Mark, would you explain about the bi and monthly notices going away when the calendar is active.  Will the notices then be sent from the calendar entry?  If yes, our notices that go out to the group monthly, etc. are long how will that work. 

 

While I’m thinking about it, will we still be able to send messages to the group and include or not include Special Notice members?

 

Thanks so much,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:20 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] about messages from non-members

 

Hi Judy,

 

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:59 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

 

Also, I can’t remember reading where groups.io would be having automated messages that would go out at various times, such as when someone joins, when someone is approve, leaves group, etc..  That’s how the potential members of the buying group get the message requesting the required information.

 

Those are called Member Notices. To access them, go to the Settings page for your group. The bi-weekly and monthly notices are going away when the calendar launches, btw.

 

 

Mark


locked Re: First Impressions of Groups.io

 

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Ian Gillis <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

Even I, a prime dinosaur, have been infected; last weekend I was at an engineers' reunion and wanted to post a "look what I'm doing" note to the engineering group. I only had my iPhone; with FB it's a couple of taps - I wouldn't even countenance attempting to post a photo to the Yahoo group.

In my view a group must have a mobile version or it will die. More and more people possess only mobile phones or tablets. IMHO you will have to cater for them with an iOS and Android app.


That's the feedback I've been receiving from others as well, and I believe you're absolutely correct; we need a mobile app.


Mark


locked Re: First Impressions of Groups.io

 


On 7 November 2014 16:22, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
You're not the first person who's said their FB group gets significantly more traffic than their Yahoo Group. I'm trying to understand the reasons why that seems to be the general case. Is it just a function of FB having massive traffic?

​Hi Mark,​
 

​No - a private FB group gets only group traffic, so a small group is a quiet backwater.
 
Or do their groups have a set of features or are set up in a particular way that encourages this?
 

​Yes.

The group I mentioned that has both FB and Yahoo versions has a wide demography​ - I've got a few dinosaurs who write impeccable English and rather more youngsters with limited vocabularies. Both wish to communicate - the dinosaurs think that Zuckerberg is the devil incarnate, the youngsters wish they could write like the dinosaurs but prefer short comments and pictures posted from their mobile (cell) phones, would be embarrassed to attempt any sort of prose and are thus easily seduced by FB.

Even I, a prime dinosaur, have been infected; last weekend I was at an engineers' reunion and wanted to post a "look what I'm doing" note to the engineering group. I only had my iPhone; with FB it's a couple of taps - I wouldn't even countenance attempting to post a photo to the Yahoo group.

In my view a group must have a mobile version or it will die. More and more people possess only mobile phones or tablets. IMHO you will have to cater for them with an iOS and Android app.

​regards,
Ian​




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locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Mark,

And I really wanted to avoid having a second, group timezone, because
I think that'd be totally confusing.
I think the experience with Yahoo Groups' calendar proves you right on that. Of course they failed every opportunity to explain it clearly, so there was likely more confusion than needed be.

Event reminders are not added to the archive. They're treated as
notifications, like when moderators are notified of pending messages.
Reminders didn't feel like the type of message that should be in the
archives. Plus you have the varying timezone issue, as you pointed
out. Do you think they should be added to the archives?
I do. Or if not actually in the archives, then prominently displayed somehow when a member looks at the archive.

One of the common use cases in Yahoo Groups are members that elect to have no email delivery, who read the group's archives instead. They've been clamoring for Yahoo to track which messages they've read and be able to show them "new" messages, just as many forums do, but that's a whole other issue.

Also, I don't send out a message when an event is created. Should I
add that feature?
That could be a sort of a special case of a reminder, one with "now" as its set time. I haven't looked yet to see how your reminders are set up, but if the user can set up more than one or two of them perhaps "now" could be just another choice. In any case, I'd make it optional.

-- Shal


locked Re: Roadmap

 

Thanks Shal. I must do some research to find out what the rules are, and then
try to adjust the hit counters on my site accordingly.

Jim

On 6 Nov 2014 at 19:10, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim,

Would the count be confined to "real" hits, or would it include visits
by search engine spiders?
Ideally "real" hits, I would think.

Is there any way to distinguish them?
Beyond my knowledge. As I understand it there are rules spiders are supposed to
follow, but perhaps not all do.

-- Shal
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locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Hi Shal,

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Mark,

> When calendar events are created, we store the timezone of the person
> creating the event as the event's timezone.

That's an excellent default, but in a geographically dispersed group the member creating the calendar event may not be at the location of the physical event - such users may need a way to specify the event's timezone independent of their own.


The way I thought about it was that the most important timezone is the one that a given user is in, and I should always try to show them dates and times in their own timezone. If they're going to a physical event, it seems like they'd be in the timezone for that event anyways. And I really wanted to avoid having a second, group timezone, because I think that'd be totally confusing. Actually, I didn't want a user timezone either, I wanted it all to be automatic, but I think this is an ok compromise.

 
> Every event reminder email is customized to the particular
> subscriber's timezone.

Wow. I'm not sure how many unique time-zone jurisdictions there are (many more than 24 I know) so that's a lot of custom engraving on the outbound reminders. And what happens to the reminder in the archive? Use the event's time zone?

Event reminders are not added to the archive. They're treated as notifications, like when moderators are notified of pending messages. Reminders didn't feel like the type of message that should be in the archives. Plus you have the varying timezone issue, as you pointed out. Do you think they should be added to the archives?

Also, I don't send out a message when an event is created. Should I add that feature?


And then I suppose there are hybrid events: where one might attend physically or via telecommunications. Meh. I guess as long as the text of the reminder message says what time zone was used to express the time then one can always figure it out.

Reminders do include the timezone that the dates are in.

Thanks!
Mark 


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Mark,

When calendar events are created, we store the timezone of the person
creating the event as the event's timezone.
That's an excellent default, but in a geographically dispersed group the member creating the calendar event may not be at the location of the physical event - such users may need a way to specify the event's timezone independent of their own.

Every event reminder email is customized to the particular
subscriber's timezone.
Wow. I'm not sure how many unique time-zone jurisdictions there are (many more than 24 I know) so that's a lot of custom engraving on the outbound reminders. And what happens to the reminder in the archive? Use the event's time zone?

I had been thinking about whether that would be a good idea or not. The problem I see is there are two distinct use cases. One kind of event happens everywhere at once (a conference call, a webinar, a comet touchdown) and so for those having the date/time adjusted to each member's local time makes sense. And in this day and age you may not be wrong to assume that most events discussed in an email list will be of this type.

The other kind of event is tied to a place (a concert, a seminar, a flash mob) where the members are supposed to be in physical attendance. For those one would not expect the event reminder to be adjusted - just as one's airline ticket always shows your departure and arrival times in the local time of the relevant airport -- you will be there, then, in that local time.

And then I suppose there are hybrid events: where one might attend physically or via telecommunications. Meh. I guess as long as the text of the reminder message says what time zone was used to express the time then one can always figure it out.

--Shal