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Hi Duane,

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you be making Like an owner option? I really don't want it.
I hadn't planned on making it an option. Can you give me some more
information on why you don't want it? I figured in the grand scheme of
things it's a pretty small feature, but also, these days an expected
one.

Thanks,
Mark


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Duane
 

Will you be making Like an owner option? I really don't want it.

Duane


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Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 04:59 am, Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@yahoo.fr> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:53 pm, Jim Poston <@poston> wrote:Sounds cool, but
if we somehow grab all our messages, do you plan to
provide a facility to import them here?
Agree with that.
If someone say how send the Y! G messages archive. Maybe it's possible to use a forward extension for Firefox Thunderbird.


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On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

So if you're email-only you don't see anything new. But you can post likes
if you happen to know how.
Correct.


Maybe there could be a subscription preference, or maybe it should be a
profile preference, to receive email notification when someone "Likes" your
post. Either individual notifications or in their own daily digest.
I like that (get it? har). I think that will be part of a
notifications overhaul at some point. I want you to be able to see
notifications on the website, if you wish, instead of email. And if
you want email, you should be able to specify if you want individual
notifications, or have them grouped.

Mark


locked Re: Like

 

I subscribe to a newsletter from RSN.  I read the articles that are of interest to me.  The comments give readers of those comments to click on a green thumbs up which means Agree, or a red thumbs down which means disagree.  Sometimes I write comments to articles.  Sometimes, when I go back a few days later, my comment will have a green number or a red negative number.  But, usually, I don't bother. 

I have seen some message boards where comments get "liked" and that moves them up the list.  Somebody suggested that it would be nice to get an email if somebody else liked a comment he wrote.  If the point of installing a like button is to cut down on email, then that's kind of defeating the purpose. 

Somebody else suggested that there should also be a Dislike button.  I agree with that.  I propose that instead of Like or Dislike, that it should be changed to Agree or Disagree.  Of course, it is possible, also, to like somebody's message without agreeing with it. 

Somebody else indicated that one should not be able to like his or her own comment.  I agree with that.  In RSN, I can't thumbs up or thumbs down my comment.  In Care2, I can't send myself a green star. 


Donna


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I think that likes are a fantastic feature even if there aren't yet any notifications. It is great for people to be able to show that they appreciate a message without everyone being spammed.

Regarding notifications, I think that there should be two kinds of notifications. Firstly, there should be some kind of notification like on Facebook on the site which tells you when people liked your posts. It might be useful to have an option to turn this off, since whenever people see a number, they feel like they have to click it. Psychologically, it is very hard to ignore a large number.

Secondly, there should be some form of email notifications. There are a few options here.

Some people may want an email every like.

Some people may want to find out when a post is especially popular - say every five likes.

Others may want a digest. I imagine that the options here could easily become very complicated.


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Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking.
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On May 4, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Mark,

> Alternatively, you can reply to a message with either a "+1" or
> "like" (no quotes) as the first line of the reply, and that will be
> counted as a like (and the message will not be sent to the group).
>
> Currently you do not get any notifications if someone likes a message
> of yours.

So if you're email-only you don't see anything new. But you can post likes if you happen to know how.

Maybe there could be a subscription preference, or maybe it should be a profile preference, to receive email notification when someone "Likes" your post. Either individual notifications or in their own daily digest.

-- Shal




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I see you liked your own message.  That probably shouldn't be allowed.

Otherwise, it seems harmless enough.  It only starts to become a problem when you accumulate Likes and display the total number on a user's profile.  Then people start going all out trying to accumulate Likes, which tends to degrade the message quality.  (You would think otherwise, but....)


JohnF



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Mark,

Alternatively, you can reply to a message with either a "+1" or
"like" (no quotes) as the first line of the reply, and that will be
counted as a like (and the message will not be sent to the group).

Currently you do not get any notifications if someone likes a message
of yours.
So if you're email-only you don't see anything new. But you can post likes if you happen to know how.

Maybe there could be a subscription preference, or maybe it should be a profile preference, to receive email notification when someone "Likes" your post. Either individual notifications or in their own daily digest.

-- Shal


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Duane
 

So where are the "Don't Like" or "Waste of Time" or "Hated It" or "Useless and Bad Information" & etc. buttons? I've never quite understood the need for Like if there isn't another option.

Duane


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Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi Mark, so when somebody clicks the view link in an email there's a way to like iMessage that's new to me anyway. I'll have to check this out. If this is true, I would definitely love to be able to get notified about that as I don't really look at the web archive a whole lot.





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On May 4, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi Judy,

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Currently in most of my groups, people have their messages set to special notice or Digest because they don't want all of those messages cluttering up their inbox, if I'm understanding this correctly, they will now get likes and dislikes?  Why does group.io have to be like Facebook?  Why can't they just send a message that they found the information informative or whatever?

That's the whole idea, by having the Like function, that eliminates
the need for someone to send a message to the group just saying they
agree or like a particular message. Hopefully, this will *reduce* the
number of messages sent to a group.

Currently there are no notifications when your message is liked, you
have to go to the web site to see that someone's liked your message.

Cheers,
Mark



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On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Frances <travel@tansymews.ca> wrote:

Will those who have the selected Advanced Preferences get another email when
something is “liked”, with “following only” and “first message also” as
their options? I hope not.
If someone does a +1 or a like in email, that message _is not_ sent to
the group. The like is recorded and the message is dropped, like it
never happened.

Mark


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Frances
 

Hi Mark,

Will those who have the selected Advanced Preferences get another email when something is “liked”, with “following only” and “first message also” as their options? I hope not.

Frances

On May 4 15, at 7:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Currently in most of my groups, people have their messages set to special notice or Digest because they don't want all of those messages cluttering up their inbox, if I'm understanding this correctly, they will now get likes and dislikes? 


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Hi Judy,

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Currently in most of my groups, people have their messages set to special notice or Digest because they don't want all of those messages cluttering up their inbox, if I'm understanding this correctly, they will now get likes and dislikes? Why does group.io have to be like Facebook? Why can't they just send a message that they found the information informative or whatever?
That's the whole idea, by having the Like function, that eliminates
the need for someone to send a message to the group just saying they
agree or like a particular message. Hopefully, this will *reduce* the
number of messages sent to a group.

Currently there are no notifications when your message is liked, you
have to go to the web site to see that someone's liked your message.

Cheers,
Mark


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Judy F.
 

Mark, hopefully this feature can be turned off at the owner/moderator level. The selling group has all ads pended for approval and then if they have to muddle through the various likes/dislikes that's going to be a mess. Also an ad shouldn't have a like or dislike. If you like it, you send a note that you want to buy it, etc.

Currently in most of my groups, people have their messages set to special notice or Digest because they don't want all of those messages cluttering up their inbox, if I'm understanding this correctly, they will now get likes and dislikes? Why does group.io have to be like Facebook? Why can't they just send a message that they found the information informative or whatever?

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 7:07 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Like

Hi All,

After a week of (mostly) bug fixing, I needed something fun to do (bugs can be fun, but are often frustrating, depending). Having some time this weekend, I started working on like, which I finished up today. You can like posts and see who else liked posts. On the web site, there's a Like link under each message. Alternatively, you can reply to a message with either a "+1" or "like" (no quotes) as the first line of the reply, and that will be counted as a like (and the message will not be sent to the group).

Currently you do not get any notifications if someone likes a message of yours.

Let me know if you see any strangeness or have suggestions.

Thanks,
Mark


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Hi All,

After a week of (mostly) bug fixing, I needed something fun to do
(bugs can be fun, but are often frustrating, depending). Having some
time this weekend, I started working on like, which I finished up
today. You can like posts and see who else liked posts. On the web
site, there's a Like link under each message. Alternatively, you can
reply to a message with either a "+1" or "like" (no quotes) as the
first line of the reply, and that will be counted as a like (and the
message will not be sent to the group).

Currently you do not get any notifications if someone likes a message of yours.

Let me know if you see any strangeness or have suggestions.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Community Code of Conduct

 

Hi Mark,

Really what I am trying to explore is something that talks more about
how people should treat each other. To quote Wil Wheaton, "don't be a
dick". I don't know how enforceable that can or should be from our end.
But it seems that at least putting something out there might help.
It is often said that setting expectations good practise, and I imagine that's true here too. I concur with Linda that Y!G's guidelines seem to do a pretty good job of that without going overboard.

I can see where you'll have some issues on the enforcement side. Within a group enforcement ultimately means removing or banning the member. At the Groups.io level it also seems like it ultimately means deleting the account, removing all memberships, and blocking the email address.

In both cases that's a limited sort of enforcement, as it is so trivial for the "perp" to obtain another email address and go back at it. I suppose if you were doing the second sign-in verification thing (detecting the user's device or location) you could try blocking him/her that way as well, but perhaps that way lies madness.

-- Shal


locked Re: Spam button reports

 

dg,

Don't know if this is even worth thinking about - but is
there a way to (hopefully) pre-empt the option to report
the message as spam to the ISP by putting a link in the
footer to report the message as spam to the group owner?

Put it as part of the first 3 options - (view, mute, report)?
I think that's a very good idea.

Giving the member a way to report the message directly might well reduce the temptation to click the Spam button. At least after the first time, when the resubscribe message tells the (former) member what to do instead.

Of course "report" often implies more than just "spam", it implies any rule-breaking including offensive material or personal attacks. And that may be just as well.

The next question is what happens when they click the link. In Yahoo Groups when one chooses to report a photo, a Report Photo dialog says "Note : Your email ID is submitted as part of abuse report." and has a text entry box to provide a reason for the report. It then has a pair of radio buttons to send the report to either:

" o Moderator - I think this content isn't appropriate for our Group. This includes rants and insulting other group members. The Group owner and/or moderator is responsible for maintaining their community and can address these issues.

" o Yahoo - I think this violates the Terms of Service. This includes : harm to minors, violence or threats, harassment or privacy invasion, impersonation or misrepresentation, fraud or phishing."

I'm not sure Groups.io wants to go that far, at least initially. Notably those descriptions didn't include "spam" but this one ought to. And since this is a link in email, hopefully it can encode somehow the identity of the member which received this particular message. That is, the link would serve as identification and the form wouldn't need to require that the user sign-in to submit the report.

I suppose the simple thing would be to post the submitted report to the group's +owner address. I've always been a bit disappointed that Y!G's -owner address didn't have an archive of its own, available only to the moderators. But that's a separate feature request.

-- Shal


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Frances
 

Hi

Interesting, Shal.

Your point about different types of groups on the Groups.io platform is useful. Linda’s travel group (I am a moderator) is resolutely non-commercial. You can’t advertise your services. Obviously Freecycle groups are different.

I also like the idea of having a list of samples available for list-owners to tweak / adopt if they wish. (“the curated list”).

I also agree with the two bulleted statements.

Frances

On May 2 15, at 6:12 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Many communities are starting to adopt codes of conduct and I'm
wondering if we should have one for the groups on Groups.io.
Groups.io is not a community, it is a platform for creating communities. Which is a somewhat brusque way of saying that I share the concern expressed by Marlin, Duane and others that a choosing and enforcing a detailed code of conduct is more properly the prerogative and responsibility of the group managers than of Groups.io.

There may be an exception to that for groups with public archives. Such as beta itself. The messages can be seen by people who've not joined anything nor necessarily been made aware of any group rules, so Groups.io might have an interest in assuring that public content meets a more universally acceptable standard.

Here are two examples:
Those are good examples of why I make a distinction between a community and the platform that hosts it. They each speak to a specific audience and each promise enforcement in a way that is not likely scaleable with Groups.io

Perhaps you could have a simple, broadly stated code of conduct that applies to groups with public archives, and curate a set of more detailed codes that serve as "best practice" examples for various types of groups. That is, a health support group might need a different code than a freecycling group. Beta's wiki, if opened to subscribers to edit, could serve as a place for interested moderators to contribute and refine examples.

One of the reasons this is on my mind is that I've gotten a complaint
from someone who was banned from a group and thinks they were/are
being treated unfairly or poorly. It would be nice to have a document
that I could point people to that would specify what constitutes abuse
and what, if anything, happens if abuse does take place. Just being
banned from a group would not be abuse, for example. Violent threats
against someone would be abuse.
Maybe what you need is a set of principles for the interactions between members and groups. Examples might be:

o Group membership is mutually voluntary. That means that a group's management may not make you a member without your permission nor attempt to prevent you from leaving. It also means that you cannot make yourself a member of a group with restricted membership nor expect recourse should a group's management remove or ban you.

o Group managers have final authority over what content is allowed in their group. Any content submitted to the group may be moderated, rejected or deleted at the management's sole discretion.

-- Shal




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Don't know if this is even worth thinking about - but is
there a way to (hopefully) pre-empt the option to report
the message as spam to the ISP by putting a link in the
footer to report the message as spam to the group owner?

Put it as part of the first 3 options - (view, mute, report)?

dg