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moderated Re: Member Directory Search fails if member name is an email address #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:02 AM, Terry Slattery wrote:
If Display Name is not set, would the member not appear in the Directory?
It is currently possible to share your profile without populating Display Name. I am proposing a change to eliminate that, forcing the person to populate it before sharing the profile with others.

If that's the case, what name would be displayed in a posting by that member?

The current mechanism uses the email frag as a proxy for the Display Name for some functions...
Correct.

If Display Name is not populated, a posting (or Directory entry) is tagged with that person's system-wide @Username, if they have one. If they have neither a group Display Name nor a system-wide @Username, the post is labeled with the obfuscated email address myaddress@....

Forcing a person to populate Display Name before sharing their profile would eliminate your searching concerns...other subscribers can then search on the Display Name without having to know anything about that person's email address. It would also help to address concerns expressed by others about the security of displaying the fragmentary email address.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Send and Discard buttons too close together #suggestion

Marv Waschke
 

An "Are you sure?" gate protects against fat brains as well as fat fingers, which is a bigger problem for me than fat fingers.  Best, Marv


moderated Re: Member Directory Search fails if member name is an email address #bug

Terry Slattery <tcs@...>
 

If Display Name is not set, would the member not appear in the Directory? If that's the case, what name would be displayed in a posting by that member?

The current mechanism uses the email frag as a proxy for the Display Name for some functions, like the name in a posting and in the Directory if manually searched. It came up because I was going to recommend that Member1 search for Member2 to send a private email instead of asking on the list. Member2 only had an email frag for the Display Name, which wouldn't match in a search, but could be found by manually paging through the Directory. Thus, the email frag is not truly hidden, creating inconsistency and false security for anyone who thought that not setting a Display Name would keep them hidden.


moderated For individual email messages add space between message and footer #suggestion

Mdivine <nextdoorsb@...>
 

Adding a line space or two at end of each individual email message as it goes out, before footer.
Will make it easier to read message.


moderated Re: Send and Discard buttons too close together #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 04:21 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
It would be nice if the Discard button was on the opposite side of the page instead of immediately adjacent to Send.
Or perhaps a prompt to confirm the Discard like we see on so many other Groups.io actions.

Andy


moderated Re: billing showis nonzero amount of space used for "database images" but we have no database #misc

 

Lol, yeah; even if I'm a dog person, I do talk like a cat sometimes.

On 2020-11-16 18:09, J_Catlady via groups.io wrote:
Haha! You mean as in "9 lves," or the Cheshire Cat? ;)


moderated Re: Following a new topic sends out catch-up emails with missing group [Subject Tag] #bug

 

Thanks for fixing this Mark!


moderated Re: billing showis nonzero amount of space used for "database images" but we have no database #misc

 

Haha! You mean as in "9 lves," or the Cheshire Cat? ;)
I honestly don't remember what was in there. There may have been photos. It was eons ago.
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moderated Re: billing showis nonzero amount of space used for "database images" but we have no database #misc

 

J,

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 11:29 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Our group used to have a Cats database and we eventually got rid of it.
That's what you get for having(had) a cat db, you have to try several times to delete it before it actually does.

But seriously, were there originally any images or similar external file uploaded in any of those db fields?  If yes, that could explain it, the db deletion process cleaned everything but not the "embedded" (linked) images, probably stored at the same place uploaded wiki images go to, and this is a bug after all.  (I presume one can have (embedded/linked) images in the db fields, I admit I haven't looked at the Database functionality a lot as we are not using it in our groups)

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Member Directory Search fails if member name is an email address #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

The [partial] email address is displayed to other members in the Directory only if the Display Name field is unpopulated.

It would make sense to me to force people to put something in Display Name before they can share their group profile. This will provide something to search on, and if they want to remain anonymous they can still put Captain Beefheart or Howdy Doody or something like that in there.

Just a thought,
Bruce


moderated Re: Member Directory Search fails if member name is an email address #bug

Terry Slattery <tcs@...>
 

I agree that the email address should not be visible.

However, it seems that search should match the fragment that's displayed in the member directory, which *is* visible to anyone. In this case: 'tcs'.


moderated Send and Discard buttons too close together #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- Just got done composing a fairly lengthy message, and went to click the Send button...but I fat-fingered it and hit Discard instead.

Oops. Not the first time, either.

It would be nice if the Discard button was on the opposite side of the page instead of immediately adjacent to Send.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Re: Database bug in time fields #bug

Duane
 

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:22 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:03 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
No need to do that.  If/when it becomes a priority, it will be looked into.  Allow up to 4 years (!) for action to be taken. ;>)
Hey, I resemble that remark! :-) (and in all seriousness, that lag time isn't something I'm exactly proud of...)
To be fair to Mark, I don't ever recall a bug taking more than a week or so to be squashed, even the more complicated ones.  In some cases, if we had included more details, it would have been resolved sooner, but there are so many options for each account and group that it's easy to overlook one.  The lag is more for suggested features that are implemented as time allows, based on usefulness.

Duane


moderated Re: Prepay Premium Group #misc

Paul Ohio USA
 

Shal & MKRamadoss,
Thanks for your replies. This particular group has multiple owners, I learned long ago from being in GMF Yahoo that you never have only one owner.

My concern is to Prepay the charge so that it doesn't get overlooked or become a burden. We don't use that much storage yet the ability to add people who make mistakes or some of the other benefits have been very helpful to me.

I was hoping to get Mark to respond and let us know if this is possible. If not, I'll pursue other remedies.

Take care,
Paul, Ohio, USA


moderated Re: Prepay Premium Group #misc

 

This brings up the whole issue of an e-will. What do you do with all your online accounts, where to store the passwords, etc? I got so far as setting up a will and trust for my cats, but the "how to do your e-will" page is still sitting around in a box. I know I need to do it. 


On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 5:56 AM Tracy <tracy@...> wrote:
I did this with a certain group owner.

Only after I had pleaded with him to do so and only when he got wind his
heart was giving out and he was dying.  After he was gone, I set up a 3
person ownership, with owners 500 miles apart, just in case there were
any coincidences.  (This was back in the days of yahoo about 2 years ago.)

BTW, after someone is gone, how do you convince the system admins the
only owner is dead?  The group may disappear after the bill isn't paid,
but the free groups will go on forever (perhaps with no new members
being added, those with a moderator to add new members would last longer).

On the other side of the coin, linkedin "suggests" periodically to me to
connect with those I've know been dead for years. Apparently their
accounts never die.

On 11/14/20 9:17 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
> Paul,
>
> > I'm about to undergo some serious surgery and would like to prepay for
> > 5 years to assure the group will continue.
>
> I support this suggestion, as several people have asked about it for
> various reasons.
>
> That said, since you're a GMF member I'm sure you know that the best
> way to ensure the continuation of the group is to promote someone else
> to the Owner role. Then if the worst happens the other owner can make
> the next year's payment.
>
> The other option is to give a moderator the "Billing" permission, but
> in the long run that's not as helpful to the group as having one or
> more active owners. But if you want to discuss such options, probably
> better to do so in GMF than here.
>
> Shal
> Best of luck and prayers for your surgery.
>
>
>
>
>
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BT







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moderated Re: Prepay Premium Group #misc

Tracy <tracy@...>
 

I did this with a certain group owner.

Only after I had pleaded with him to do so and only when he got wind his heart was giving out and he was dying.  After he was gone, I set up a 3 person ownership, with owners 500 miles apart, just in case there were any coincidences.  (This was back in the days of yahoo about 2 years ago.)

BTW, after someone is gone, how do you convince the system admins the only owner is dead?  The group may disappear after the bill isn't paid, but the free groups will go on forever (perhaps with no new members being added, those with a moderator to add new members would last longer).

On the other side of the coin, linkedin "suggests" periodically to me to connect with those I've know been dead for years. Apparently their accounts never die.

On 11/14/20 9:17 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Paul,

I'm about to undergo some serious surgery and would like to prepay for
5 years to assure the group will continue.
I support this suggestion, as several people have asked about it for various reasons.

That said, since you're a GMF member I'm sure you know that the best way to ensure the continuation of the group is to promote someone else to the Owner role. Then if the worst happens the other owner can make the next year's payment.

The other option is to give a moderator the "Billing" permission, but in the long run that's not as helpful to the group as having one or more active owners. But if you want to discuss such options, probably better to do so in GMF than here.

Shal
Best of luck and prayers for your surgery.



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Tracy Johnson
BT







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moderated Re: Prepay Premium Group #misc

M K Ramadoss
 

Since the surgery seems to be serious, does your group have additional owners?
If not I would make one or more members as owners.
Also if you want to make sure the group subscription is funded for five years, you can add an addendum to you will setting aside a sum of money.

MKRamadoss


On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 8:34 AM Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Mark,

I thought this had been discussed, yet can't find it. I've paid for my co-owned group since transferring from Yahoo. I'm about to undergo some serious surgery and would like to prepay for 5 years to assure the group will continue. Is this possible?
If you would like to continue this discussion Off List, that would be fine.
Thank you and take care,
Paul, Ohio, USA


moderated Re: Prepay Premium Group #misc

 

Paul,

I'm about to undergo some serious surgery and would like to prepay for
5 years to assure the group will continue.
I support this suggestion, as several people have asked about it for various reasons.

That said, since you're a GMF member I'm sure you know that the best way to ensure the continuation of the group is to promote someone else to the Owner role. Then if the worst happens the other owner can make the next year's payment.

The other option is to give a moderator the "Billing" permission, but in the long run that's not as helpful to the group as having one or more active owners. But if you want to discuss such options, probably better to do so in GMF than here.

Shal
Best of luck and prayers for your surgery.


moderated Re: Some Message Formatting settings mutually exclusive #suggestion

 

Bruce,

I'm not seeing this in my test group. With both checked, I get a plain
text message with a plain text footer...no html to be found.
My own test confirms your results.

I could swear I had tested this combination in the past, but maybe I confused myself. Or maybe it has changed and I didn't notice or don't remember.

Given that result I agree that making it a set of radio buttons would be clearer. I'll side with Andy in favor of graying out the Normalize checkbox if Plain Text is selected, rather than hiding it.

Shal


moderated Re: Some Message Formatting settings mutually exclusive #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

More follow-up...

If I choose to put the footer in a separate mime part (along with checking both checkboxes), I still get the plain-text footer per the "Plain Text Only" setting. But if I send an html email to the group, the message body itself comes through intact as html (along with plain text, in separate mime parts). 

Even more bizarre, the online message editor only provides plain-text...there is no option to send an html message via the web interface.

This is all counter-intuitive to me, and I'm inclined to relabel my #suggestion as a #bug.

Regards,
Bruce

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