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moderated Re: Wording to disable two-factor (2FA) #suggestion

Jeff Smith
 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 07:52 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Jeff -- It just seems to me, if you're the kind of person who does things like that, no amount of security questions or login factors is going to work.
Obviously what I have said (require the OTP to turn off 2FA) does stop the intrusion that I explained. So I don't know why you are pretending that is not enough security for that.
If you are just saying, "Gee, sound like nothing is completely secure" then welcome to reality. If you did your research you'll find that has always been taught.

Only question people are debating here is that you want to allow disabling 2FA without having 2FA because of course people do lose their secret key and maybe they are still logged in somewhere, right? You want convenience in exchange for less security.

I am saying simply yes we do want the full two factor authentication security (by requiring the OTP to disable it).
For the plethora of folks who lose it (I have lost it in the past), this is another very important question. How do you plan for support to authenticate them, so they are not resetting it for the sake of a hacker pretending to be the owner? There needs to be yet another factor.
Typically this other factor is to assume that only the owner would get the email in that email account. Problem of course is that if you use 2FA on everything and you just lost Google Authenticator, you probably just lost access to your email too. It's all about planning. Because too many don't plan, we end up losing security because support gives in and starts resetting passwords without knowing if it's for the right person.


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

One point that's not OT: moderators may want to be on the alert for a lot of attempted posts by "non-members," which are actually just members using their iPhones and thinking that they're sending a message from one email address whereas actually it's going out as being from another.

This is a very, VERY bad and dangerous bug. People are reporting having no control over what email address their messages are going out under, with some bad and possibly embarrassing results (private emails being sent to work and vice versa, etc).
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moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

This is now OT for beta, but this seems to be related to what I'm experiencing, although I'm not (consciously) using aliases. From one of the forums:

"...there appears to be an issue with all email accounts that have an associated alias that causes the Mail app to pick a random "From" address.

There seems to be no fix or workaround at this time aside from disabling aliases, and as pointed out on the MacRumors forums, the problem continues to persist in the iOS 14.2 update that's in beta testing. We expect iOS 14.2 to be in beta for at least another few weeks (likely until the iPhone 12 models launch) so there's time for Apple to add additional bug fixes.

Update: Early reports suggest that the second iOS 14.2 beta provided to developers on September 29 fixes the email alias bug."

Hopefully end of story.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

And to further the point that this has nothing to do with digests: the email from digestnoreoly@groups.io was not a digest. It was a daily summary. It seems that Mark just happens to use that address for both digests and daily summaries.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 2:21 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Guys, guys. This has NOTHING to do with replying to digests. Nothing to do with that other thread about the group member who couldn't reply to digests (which turned out to be a Thunderbird bug).

This is an iPhone bug. There are two parts to it:

1. The phone inserts the wrong email address into emails I try to send to a group, resulting in my emails bouncing from the group because that email address is not a subscriber. (In one harrowing case, it inserted my real-name email address into a message to a group that allowed posts from non-members, and in which I wanted to remain anonymous.) This is in responding to a regular, garden-variety message. Nothing to do with digests.

2. The phone leaves out the "name" part of the email address in emails it sends to me from what seem to be "noreply" email addresses. The two examples I have are (1) a groups.io email coming from [groupname]<digestnoreply@groups.io>. The fact that the word "digest" is in the email address has nothing to do with anything here. I was not trying to respond to it. The phone made the From address into <digestnoreply@groups.io>, leaving out the name. (2) a no-reply email from the USGS about an earthquake. I strongly suspect that the no-reply feature of the email is the criterion for when it does this.

I looked around and apparently ios14 and 14.1 (which I was updated to last night) are notoriously buggy, although I have yet to see these particular bugs reported.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Guys, guys. This has NOTHING to do with replying to digests. Nothing to do with that other thread about the group member who couldn't reply to digests (which turned out to be a Thunderbird bug).

This is an iPhone bug. There are two parts to it:

1. The phone inserts the wrong email address into emails I try to send to a group, resulting in my emails bouncing from the group because that email address is not a subscriber. (In one harrowing case, it inserted my real-name email address into a message to a group that allowed posts from non-members, and in which I wanted to remain anonymous.) This is in responding to a regular, garden-variety message. Nothing to do with digests.

2. The phone leaves out the "name" part of the email address in emails it sends to me from what seem to be "noreply" email addresses. The two examples I have are (1) a groups.io email coming from [groupname]<digestnoreply@groups.io>. The fact that the word "digest" is in the email address has nothing to do with anything here. I was not trying to respond to it. The phone made the From address into <digestnoreply@groups.io>, leaving out the name. (2) a no-reply email from the USGS about an earthquake. I strongly suspect that the no-reply feature of the email is the criterion for when it does this.

I looked around and apparently ios14 and 14.1 (which I was updated to last night) are notoriously buggy, although I have yet to see these particular bugs reported.
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Pending message notices arriving hours late in some cases #misc #bug

 

Starting recently, perhaps today or yesterday, I've noticed that pending message notices are often arriving (and timestamped, not just arriving) extremely late, in many cases by hours. Invariably I've long ago approved the message on the site. Then, after the fact, I get the pending message notification.
p.s. this has nothing to do with my iPhone. The timestamp is consistent on the computer.

The most recent example: Activity log shows message sent at 11:53 a.m. I approve it shortly thereafter via the web. I get the pending message email at 1:45 pm. That was just a few minutes ago.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

Alex Stone
 

I completely agree with that!


From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of billsf9c via groups.io <OOWONBS@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:13:35 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug
 
One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.
Bruce

I hear you, but SOMEtimes, "
Groupname Digest #332" is exactly correct. It's been too long to remember the reasons, but I'd use it in half the lists about twice per year.

Some folks don't change Subjects/Topics, too - and a Mod can step in with a reminder, and mention some additional thing, (or 2 or 3,) as well... which takes care of Item #2 and diffuses embarrassment over Item#1. If it gets really bad it's just by 1 or 2 members, they are usually weak in other areas too, so Moderation "curbs their enthusiasm..." and their rush. They then improve overall.

BillSF9c


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

billsf9c
 

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.
Bruce

I hear you, but SOMEtimes, "
Groupname Digest #332" is exactly correct. It's been too long to remember the reasons, but I'd use it in half the lists about twice per year.

Some folks don't change Subjects/Topics, too - and a Mod can step in with a reminder, and mention some additional thing, (or 2 or 3,) as well... which takes care of Item #2 and diffuses embarrassment over Item#1. If it gets really bad it's just by 1 or 2 members, they are usually weak in other areas too, so Moderation "curbs their enthusiasm..." and their rush. They then improve overall.

BillSF9c


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Typo, I’m ONTO it.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:57 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

ps It went thru. The phone seems to plug in the From address of whichever address I used last. I’m into it now!


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:55 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Not making this clear. I’m not trying to respond to a digest. I’m talking about individual messages, like this one. The phone puts the wrong Fron address on my email and it bounced. Let’s see if this goes through. The other bug is that the phone puts the wrong From address on emails it sends ME.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

ps It went thru. The phone seems to plug in the From address of whichever address I used last. I’m into it now!


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:55 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Not making this clear. I’m not trying to respond to a digest. I’m talking about individual messages, like this one. The phone puts the wrong Fron address on my email and it bounced. Let’s see if this goes through. The other bug is that the phone puts the wrong From address on emails it sends ME.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Not making this clear. I’m not trying to respond to a digest. I’m talking about individual messages, like this one. The phone puts the wrong Fron address on my email and it bounced. Let’s see if this goes through. The other bug is that the phone puts the wrong From address on emails it sends ME.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Bingo. It's definitely the phone. My USGS earthquake notification displays the same characteristic, but only on the phone.

Plus, I've tried twice to reply to this thread from the phone, and both times, it bounced. Even though I was replying from the email address I use for this account, the phone put the From address as my other email address, which is not a member of this group. It seems I can no longer (at this point, until they fix this) reply to groups.io messages from my iPhone.

I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Could something have changed on the iPhone mail program? Just remembered there was a major update overnight.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:46 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark,

My reporting of this has a slight error. It's the From address in the email that's weird. On my mac, the From address is as normal:
Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io<digestnoreply@groups.io>

But on my iPhone, it's lacking the name "Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io and just says straightup
digestnoreply@groups.io

I've never seen this before, to the extent that the text on my phone was startling to me.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Mark,

My reporting of this has a slight error. It's the From address in the email that's weird. On my mac, the From address is as normal:
Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io<digestnoreply@groups.io>

But on my iPhone, it's lacking the name "Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io and just says straightup
digestnoreply@groups.io

I've never seen this before, to the extent that the text on my phone was startling to me.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Move Photo causes photo to disappear #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:54 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- If a group only has one photo album, and you try to move a photo, the dialog box displays an empty folder list. If you click on the blue Move button in the dialog anyway, the photo mysteriously disappears. It would be better if the button was greyed out and disabled.

This was discovered by someone in group_help who was attempting to use this function to rearrange thumbnails within an album.

The `move` button is now disabled if there is only one photo album.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 8:02 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Starting today, the summary is going out as "digestnoreply." It used to be called "[group name] - Daily Summary."

This is in the subject of the summary? I haven't made any changes to summaries in quite some time. Is anyone else seeing this?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Move Photo causes photo to disappear #bug

 



On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:54 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- If a group only has one photo album, and you try to move a photo, the dialog box displays an empty folder list. If you click on the blue Move button in the dialog anyway, the photo mysteriously disappears. It would be better if the button was greyed out and disabled.

This was discovered by someone in group_help who was attempting to use this function to rearrange thumbnails within an album.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Starting today, the summary is going out as "digestnoreply." It used to be called "[group name] - Daily Summary."
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moderated Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Is it possible to have that at the top of the individual message page as well?
Mark, is there a reason why you wouldn't put this at the top of the individual message page regardless of whether the message is accessed from groups.io/topics or from [groupname].groups.io/g/main/topics? The latter is more handy for me since I spend more time in my individual groups' messages lists. And many of my members only have one GIO subscription, so they do as well. It would also make for greater consistency.

Pete

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