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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Sandi D <sandi.asgtechie@...>
 

I have had 2 Google groups (under a GSuite/non profit) since 2013. I can direct add and remove members. It's an excellent mailing list and offers expansive storage for our attachments to emails. One group is used for our Board of Directors and one is for collecting and distributing publishable news items as attachments. 

Their spam filter doesn't disappoint and the group is painless to manage. Users within our group have no need to create or maintain a password. I can add users by their cell phones and email addresses which need not end in @gmail or be associated with a Google account. 

The current free version of GIO would not tempt me to move from Goodle Groups because of storage limitations, the uncertainty of future GIO pricing tiers and loss of features. Google groups is a known service, it's stable and it's free. 

I agree heartily that Google Groups is not for everyone, nor will it serve the needs of most or many. But it does have a place for us as an educational non profit with minimal revenue where we need control over members in a forum. It works quite well nested within our domain managed GSuite/Google Works framework. 

It's far from perfect but it is free and for the above reasons, I would not advise it should never be considered.

--
Sandi Dickenson
ASG Volunteers Group.


moderated Re: Features not lost after Premium Trial ends #bug

 

Hi Bruce,

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:40 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

The notice I received about expiration of the trial has an upgrade link that doesn't work, and took me to the group home page instead of the upgrade page.

Also, the subgroup is not locked...I can still post messages in it.

These should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

billsf9c
 

The "15 Gigs" number came from a.googlw member. I understand now, that he may be in error... but if that is his perception, it may be also for many. So I'm not a journalist and didn't go undercover to confirm. If 15 is the personal amount, and goggle lists have no limit, then I don't see what to write on the billboard.

I was fine with 110$. Our otherwise intelligent membership tarried and we got hit with 220... spilled milk.

When folks have suffered with bad service for so long, many forget how NICE it was when eGroups had features and they worked well. Many of us easily ignored the ads, so here, I don't even notice them missing. And many know and notice nothing of googles' privacy shattering, and cannot comprehend it if explained.

But I sure want a way to entice a couple groups over. And after 18 years, I'll dislike in 4 years cleaning house because the next.jump is not a small amount but 19x more than what took us 20 years to accumulate.

As text here is not counted against us, maybe I can make the case that memory is unlimited, with an additional Gig for Photos and attachments.

Thanks for the time everyone has spent on this issue. Now and then I help a small mechanics business. You want the Edsel. 😏🤣
BillSF9c


moderated Re: Features not lost after Premium Trial ends #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:53 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Thanks for pointing this out. It's been fixed.
Mark -- Well, not completely.

The notice I received about expiration of the trial has an upgrade link that doesn't work, and took me to the group home page instead of the upgrade page.

Also, the subgroup is not locked...I can still post messages in it.

Thanks,
Bruce 


moderated Re: Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Jim Wilson
 

Indeed, IS was the likely culprit.

Thanks to Mark for getting it fixed.
--
Jim


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Dave Wade
 

am not sure why they haven't been migrated to the Freecycle platform.

Not sure of your basis for saying Freegle groups are dwindling. I was
moved
semi-automatically to Freegle, using my existing Freecycle login details,
when
our local Freegle group started, but found the Freecycle group still
remained
active. I find, though, that I still receive about ten times as many
messages
from Freegle as I do from Freecycle.
I think I was moved automatically as well and initially I got lots on
Freegle, but I can't remember when I last saw a Freegle offer.
I checked and my account is still active, and in Trafford there are three
offers from the last 24 hours. In freecycle its three in the last hour.
However I would expect activity to vary from area to area...


Given the reasons behind the creating of Freegle I suspect some kind
of internal politics, but I am sure that Freecycle will claim
"ownership" of any group that purports to use part of its name and
offer re-cycling services.....
Yes, you're probably right there, but that clearly does not include
Freegle. I
would have my doubts about names that sound the same as or similar to
Freecycle, such as Phreecycle that I think someone mentioned.
I am not a lawyer, but I think in the UK it would be a breach of
trademark...


Jim


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

On 21 Oct 2020 at 22:11, Dave Wade wrote:

Jim,

Where I live, we have both Freecycle and Freegle. Freegle was started in the uk
because some folks didn't agree with some Freecycle policies. e.g. Living
Creatures are not allowed on Freecycle but they are and anything legal is OK on
Freegle. Whilst Freegle got off to good start it now seems to have withered and
almost died. I believe that both started by using Yahoo groups but now they have
their own dedicated systems. Freecycle is trademarked and groups have to be
properly affiliated and use the Freecycle systems, so I believe it is correct to
refuse to create groups with Freecycle in the name. I suspect existing groups
were migrated from the existing Yahoo groups but I am not sure why they haven't
been migrated to the Freecycle platform.
Not sure of your basis for saying Freegle groups are dwindling. I was moved
semi-automatically to Freegle, using my existing Freecycle login details, when
our local Freegle group started, but found the Freecycle group still remained
active. I find, though, that I still receive about ten times as many messages
from Freegle as I do from Freecycle.

Given the reasons behind the creating of Freegle I suspect some kind of
internal politics, but I am sure that Freecycle will claim "ownership" of
any group that purports to use part of its name and offer re-cycling
services.....
Yes, you're probably right there, but that clearly does not include Freegle. I
would have my doubts about names that sound the same as or similar to
Freecycle, such as Phreecycle that I think someone mentioned.

Jim


moderated Re: Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:44 AM Jim Wilson via groups.io <groupsio=texnetsys.com@groups.io> wrote:
I was looking at beta Topic "Free to Premium Expanse" and noticed messages after 26548 are missing the bottom menu bar. It shows when you click on the Message number and view the individual message, however. It's the same in FF and Chrome.

This has been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Features not lost after Premium Trial ends #bug

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:40 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
I created a Premium Trial group (groups.io/g/ikc) on Sept 5 and a subgroup on Sept 8. The trial period has since ended but all Premium features have been retained and the subgroup is not locked.

Thanks for pointing this out. It's been fixed.

Mark 


moderated Re: Features not lost after Premium Trial ends #bug

 

Shhh! 😁  Don't tell Mark!


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:40 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
I created a Premium Trial group (groups.io/g/ikc) on Sept 5 and a subgroup on Sept 8. The trial period has since ended but all Premium features have been retained and the subgroup is not locked.

FYI,
Bruce


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Features not lost after Premium Trial ends #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

I created a Premium Trial group (groups.io/g/ikc) on Sept 5 and a subgroup on Sept 8. The trial period has since ended but all Premium features have been retained and the subgroup is not locked.

FYI,
Bruce


moderated Re: Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 04:11 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Are you using infinite scroll?
Bruce; I suspect he is. I have just tried Infinite Scroll and got the same result that Jim reported. A test on "100" was OK.

Back to "20"...

Chris


moderated Re: Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:44 AM, Jim Wilson wrote:
I was looking at beta Topic "Free to Premium Expanse" and noticed messages after 26548 are missing the bottom menu bar.
Jim/Chris -- I'm not seeing this, either.

Are you using infinite scroll? It seems to be a problem child.

Bruce


moderated Group email address #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- An easy one, for a change. 

The Group Email Address is limited to 34 characters. It would be handy if the comment text immediately below the entry field said that.

This one comes up on GMF every now and then, usually in the context of changing an existing address.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 03:44 PM, Jim Wilson wrote:
...messages after 26548 are missing the bottom menu bar.
For the avoidance of doubt do you mean the Reply / Like / More bar?

If yes, then it's OK with me, using Win 10 and FF.

Chris


moderated Filter by multiple hashtags #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Possibility to filter by multiple #hashtag

I want to see the topics with #hashtag1 AND #hashtag2


moderated Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Jim Wilson
 

I was looking at beta Topic "Free to Premium Expanse" and noticed messages after 26548 are missing the bottom menu bar. It shows when you click on the Message number and view the individual message, however. It's the same in FF and Chrome.

--
Jim


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Dave Wade
 

Jim,

Where I live, we have both Freecycle and Freegle. Freegle was started in the
uk because some folks didn't agree with some Freecycle policies. e.g. Living
Creatures are not allowed on Freecycle but they are and anything legal is OK
on Freegle.
Whilst Freegle got off to good start it now seems to have withered and
almost died. I believe that both started by using Yahoo groups but now they
have their own dedicated systems. Freecycle is trademarked and groups have
to be properly affiliated and use the Freecycle systems, so I believe it is
correct to refuse to create groups with Freecycle in the name. I suspect
existing groups were migrated from the existing Yahoo groups but I am not
sure why they haven't been migrated to the Freecycle platform.

Given the reasons behind the creating of Freegle I suspect some kind of
internal politics, but I am sure that Freecycle will claim "ownership" of
any group that purports to use part of its name and offer re-cycling
services.....

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Fisher
Sent: 21 October 2020 21:15
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Some time ago quite a lot of "Freecycle" groups in UK decided they wanted
to break away from the parent organisation. Presumably to avoid such legal
issues, they call themselves "Frregle" instead of "Freecycle". So far as I
know
(I cannot guarantee it) the name "Freegle" is not subject to any
trademark,
so that may the the way for such groups to go here.

Jim Fisher

On 21 Oct 2020 at 7:48, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so
they can move from Yahoo. It appears that if the word freecycle is
in either the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That
address is not valid." error. I know there are over 50 existing
groups with freecycle in the group name, so don't understand what the
problem could be.

Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing
the Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular
group with freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark. I
have not yet asked that group to change their name, but I may have to.
To head off any new issues, no more groups with freecycle in their
name. Note, I have no idea if the demand is legally valid or not.




moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Vacek Miglus
 


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 4:20 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:27 AM billsf9c via groups.io <OOWONBS=Netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reading all the support for the thread I began and this time WITH coffee -

It jumps out at me that the void ought be filled to reflect; Free-Basic, $5/mo & $10/mo, $20/mo. Round down if they pay a year in a lump sum.

Yet and STILL, David MUST meet Goliath on the 15 Gigs FREE Battlefield. IT MUST D*A*R*E TO CONTEND...


So you are asking that I bump the storage for the free version to 15 gigs in the hopes of luring a group to come over that, 1) has never paid for service before, and 2) does not see the advantages of Groups.io over Google Groups. Not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to understand.

Also, where does the 15 gigs of storage number come from? I'm unaware of any storage limits with Google Groups.

I think I may be the instigation of this whole conversation. Sorry.
Our group just downgraded from Premium to Free primarily because we are not bumping into the limits of the free group and as much as I appreciate the very easy transfer from Yahoo to GIO I find it hard to justify the on-going Premium bill.

That said I very much want to see GIO thrive in every way including financially. So I lamented to our group about the lack of a middle tier. A bit more storage for 50 or 60 bucks a year (a bottle of decent Scotch) sounded like an interesting compromise. Of course I had not thought it all the way through, like GIO losing Premium members with a middle tier or some of the other things brought up.

Of course I could just write Mark a check and feel good about it but I'm just one small drop in the bucket and it sounds like I'm not the first to think of this.

Of course this whole conversation did get me to subscribe to the beta group.:-)

Vacek


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:04 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

This just happened 3 days ago, so there may be a little bug in the logic for an existing group.  They got around it by changing freecycle to phreecycle.

It should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 

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