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moderated Group email address #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- An easy one, for a change. 

The Group Email Address is limited to 34 characters. It would be handy if the comment text immediately below the entry field said that.

This one comes up on GMF every now and then, usually in the context of changing an existing address.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 03:44 PM, Jim Wilson wrote:
...messages after 26548 are missing the bottom menu bar.
For the avoidance of doubt do you mean the Reply / Like / More bar?

If yes, then it's OK with me, using Win 10 and FF.

Chris


moderated Filter by multiple hashtags #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Possibility to filter by multiple #hashtag

I want to see the topics with #hashtag1 AND #hashtag2


moderated Bottom Menu bar missing from latest posts in beta Topics view? #bug

Jim Wilson
 

I was looking at beta Topic "Free to Premium Expanse" and noticed messages after 26548 are missing the bottom menu bar. It shows when you click on the Message number and view the individual message, however. It's the same in FF and Chrome.

--
Jim


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Dave Wade
 

Jim,

Where I live, we have both Freecycle and Freegle. Freegle was started in the
uk because some folks didn't agree with some Freecycle policies. e.g. Living
Creatures are not allowed on Freecycle but they are and anything legal is OK
on Freegle.
Whilst Freegle got off to good start it now seems to have withered and
almost died. I believe that both started by using Yahoo groups but now they
have their own dedicated systems. Freecycle is trademarked and groups have
to be properly affiliated and use the Freecycle systems, so I believe it is
correct to refuse to create groups with Freecycle in the name. I suspect
existing groups were migrated from the existing Yahoo groups but I am not
sure why they haven't been migrated to the Freecycle platform.

Given the reasons behind the creating of Freegle I suspect some kind of
internal politics, but I am sure that Freecycle will claim "ownership" of
any group that purports to use part of its name and offer re-cycling
services.....

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Fisher
Sent: 21 October 2020 21:15
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Some time ago quite a lot of "Freecycle" groups in UK decided they wanted
to break away from the parent organisation. Presumably to avoid such legal
issues, they call themselves "Frregle" instead of "Freecycle". So far as I
know
(I cannot guarantee it) the name "Freegle" is not subject to any
trademark,
so that may the the way for such groups to go here.

Jim Fisher

On 21 Oct 2020 at 7:48, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so
they can move from Yahoo. It appears that if the word freecycle is
in either the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That
address is not valid." error. I know there are over 50 existing
groups with freecycle in the group name, so don't understand what the
problem could be.

Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing
the Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular
group with freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark. I
have not yet asked that group to change their name, but I may have to.
To head off any new issues, no more groups with freecycle in their
name. Note, I have no idea if the demand is legally valid or not.




moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Vacek Miglus
 


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 4:20 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:27 AM billsf9c via groups.io <OOWONBS=Netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reading all the support for the thread I began and this time WITH coffee -

It jumps out at me that the void ought be filled to reflect; Free-Basic, $5/mo & $10/mo, $20/mo. Round down if they pay a year in a lump sum.

Yet and STILL, David MUST meet Goliath on the 15 Gigs FREE Battlefield. IT MUST D*A*R*E TO CONTEND...


So you are asking that I bump the storage for the free version to 15 gigs in the hopes of luring a group to come over that, 1) has never paid for service before, and 2) does not see the advantages of Groups.io over Google Groups. Not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to understand.

Also, where does the 15 gigs of storage number come from? I'm unaware of any storage limits with Google Groups.

I think I may be the instigation of this whole conversation. Sorry.
Our group just downgraded from Premium to Free primarily because we are not bumping into the limits of the free group and as much as I appreciate the very easy transfer from Yahoo to GIO I find it hard to justify the on-going Premium bill.

That said I very much want to see GIO thrive in every way including financially. So I lamented to our group about the lack of a middle tier. A bit more storage for 50 or 60 bucks a year (a bottle of decent Scotch) sounded like an interesting compromise. Of course I had not thought it all the way through, like GIO losing Premium members with a middle tier or some of the other things brought up.

Of course I could just write Mark a check and feel good about it but I'm just one small drop in the bucket and it sounds like I'm not the first to think of this.

Of course this whole conversation did get me to subscribe to the beta group.:-)

Vacek


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:04 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

This just happened 3 days ago, so there may be a little bug in the logic for an existing group.  They got around it by changing freecycle to phreecycle.

It should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

RCardona
 

Yes, comparison is apples and oranges.

Google Groups has no storage assigned to the group.  ZERO.  The only
storage is an individual member’s Google Drive storage capacity of 15 GB
from which one can create shared files, but it is still owned (and can
be deleted) by the individual member.   In order to have a true shared
space for photos, files, documents, etc, one would have to use Google’s
G-Suite/Workspace which charges a monthly fee ranging from $6 to $18 per
month PER user.  With Groups.io one can organize shared photos and files
in true group storage sections within folders.  True value!

RCardona

On 10/21/20 3:01 PM, billsf9c via groups.io wrote:
I'm saying that I LOVE and UNDERSTAND, but I am losing membership in a
couple valuable groups as they are short sighted.

Like my members who don't see trends in the industry, they would not
allow me to migrate to IO when it was free. They would not discuss it
at 110$. Only at the last minute did a few say. "I know & like IO." Or
"I know & hate Google."

The Edsel was [too] ahead if its time. Great car. "Looked wrong."

The masses do not understand that it took 2000 members 15-20 VERY busy
years to reach 3/4 of the Gig they use(d.) 

Does Google include text in their 15 Gigs? Maybe it's just apples and
oranges.?!?!?

Crowds went with Goliath.
David's people thought he was a nut for "~15 minutes."
Animals, insects, and other people and businesses stand tall and raise
arms and fluff up fur to appear large. That's google. They don't dole
out 14 extra Gigs which sit idle for 1-5-20 years. "It's on paper...
there when you want/need.it".Look hiw banks do money - want your
250,000? They don't actually have it... "Give us 2-3-4 days."

Find a loophole. Make this Edsel look as grand as their flimsy
fiberglass crap. Tell them 15 Gigs. Allot them 1. Tack on 1.at
900Megs. It's just a façade. It's still better under the car cover.

BillSF9c
Ex SillyCom Valley Dude


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:27 AM billsf9c via groups.io <OOWONBS=Netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reading all the support for the thread I began and this time WITH coffee -

It jumps out at me that the void ought be filled to reflect; Free-Basic, $5/mo & $10/mo, $20/mo. Round down if they pay a year in a lump sum.

Yet and STILL, David MUST meet Goliath on the 15 Gigs FREE Battlefield. IT MUST D*A*R*E TO CONTEND...


So you are asking that I bump the storage for the free version to 15 gigs in the hopes of luring a group to come over that, 1) has never paid for service before, and 2) does not see the advantages of Groups.io over Google Groups. Not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to understand.

Also, where does the 15 gigs of storage number come from? I'm unaware of any storage limits with Google Groups.

With your car analogy, I would go more with Groups.io being a BMW or Mercedes, not an Edsel (ie an upscale offering for people who appreciate the extra features/service/focus of Groups.io over Google).


Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

Some time ago quite a lot of "Freecycle" groups in UK decided they wanted to
break away from the parent organisation. Presumably to avoid such legal issues,
they call themselves "Frregle" instead of "Freecycle". So far as I know (I
cannot guarantee it) the name "Freegle" is not subject to any trademark, so
that may the the way for such groups to go here.

Jim Fisher

On 21 Oct 2020 at 7:48, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so they
can move from Yahoo. It appears that if the word freecycle is in either
the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That address is not
valid." error. I know there are over 50 existing groups with freecycle in the
group name, so don't understand what the problem could be.

Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing the
Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular group with
freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark. I have not yet
asked that group to change their name, but I may have to. To head off any
new issues, no more groups with freecycle in their name. Note, I have no
idea if the demand is legally valid or not.


moderated Re: Groups.io Mobile App Update #misc

RCardona
 

Home page - Subgroups - Beta/App - Join

(or)

Go direct:  https://beta.groups.io/g/app

On 10/21/20 3:59 PM, Benoît Dumeaux wrote:
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 10:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I suggest joining the app subgroup. The app is still being developed. We just rolled out the ability to approve/reject pending messages.
 
Link?


moderated Re: Groups.io Mobile App Update #misc

Benoît Dumeaux
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 10:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I suggest joining the app subgroup. The app is still being developed. We just rolled out the ability to approve/reject pending messages.
 
Link?


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

billsf9c
 

I'm saying that I LOVE and UNDERSTAND, but I am losing membership in a couple valuable groups as they are short sighted.

Like my members who don't see trends in the industry, they would not allow me to migrate to IO when it was free. They would not discuss it at 110$. Only at the last minute did a few say. "I know & like IO." Or "I know & hate Google."

The Edsel was [too] ahead if its time. Great car. "Looked wrong."

The masses do not understand that it took 2000 members 15-20 VERY busy years to reach 3/4 of the Gig they use(d.) 

Does Google include text in their 15 Gigs? Maybe it's just apples and oranges.?!?!?

Crowds went with Goliath.
David's people thought he was a nut for "~15 minutes."
Animals, insects, and other people and businesses stand tall and raise arms and fluff up fur to appear large. That's google. They don't dole out 14 extra Gigs which sit idle for 1-5-20 years. "It's on paper... there when you want/need.it".Look hiw banks do money - want your 250,000? They don't actually have it... "Give us 2-3-4 days."

Find a loophole. Make this Edsel look as grand as their flimsy fiberglass crap. Tell them 15 Gigs. Allot them 1. Tack on 1.at 900Megs. It's just a façade. It's still better under the car cover.

BillSF9c
Ex SillyCom Valley Dude


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

billsf9c
 

Reading all the support for the thread I began and this time WITH coffee -

It jumps out at me that the void ought be filled to reflect; Free-Basic, $5/mo & $10/mo, $20/mo. Round down if they pay a year in a lump sum.

Yet and STILL, David MUST meet Goliath on the 15 Gigs FREE Battlefield. IT MUST D*A*R*E TO CONTEND...

...despite the fact that a "busy but typical" 2000 member groups take 10-20 years to fill that. Adding a 2nd Gig to the 1st, 3 to that for 5, 5 to that for 10, and the last 5 when needed, automatically and not 14 more Gigs initially... need not appear or be said, anywhere. They'll have 15 gigs, and will need them around... 2380 by my calculations.

I just hope Green Lantern doesn't mind using IO on our T-Shirts, it being near to his Logo. When do these come out, "David?" [Mark?] Set the sloth down, (What's its' name, again?) Push the choke in. You had a break. It's YahOop's Death's Anniversary. Let's start this party w a BANG! Shoot Goliath right in the foot!

We're rootin' for ya! We're truely in this together...!

Offer the product NOW, available Oct 31st in the fine print.

BillSF9c
Trend Guru


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

billsf9c
 

> A warning message would be a good stop gap for now. It would have saved me, and no doubt others, a lot of headaches. 

Heck - Dissappearing Drafts was a FEATURE in YahOops!!! 🤣

I'm sure it'll get fixed, probably within the week. I DID learn ro use a.NotePad to hood purpose for this very reason... and none in IO have dissappeared on me - yet...

BillSF9c
[TOO] Near San Francisco


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

John Wirtz SF
 

Can I concur with the previous comments, seems we all appreciate a good product with support.  That’s got to be worth paying for in all cases even if a small amount.

 

John Wirtz

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Cook
Sent: 21 October 2020 17:06
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Free to Premium Expanse

 

To summarize my take, here's what I think.

 

  • Yes, there is a donut hole.
  • It's about affordability, not price competition.
  • If it were filled, I'd probably move two of my legacy basic groups into it.
  • If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.

Pete


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 12:06 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.
Oh - and because with GIO there's an upgrade path. There isn't one with Google.


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Ken Schweizer
 

Mark,

IMO, the $5 per month rate ($60 annually to reduce paperwork/workload) with files and photos and a little or no increase in storage would allow smaller Basic/Free groups to "donate" to help support your efforts easily. A majority of our group lurk, only occasionally replying to a post, but use the files posted in our file section for study. I know I would be happy to pay the $60 per year out on my pocket and not ask for donations.

Thanks for a GREAT platform!
Ken

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Donald Hellen
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Mark . . .

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:55:12 -0700, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the
free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the
kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a
business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of
groups/users are most important. But that's not us.

I'm not sure that most of his post explained it well, but I think he
was suggesting a plan between premium and basic. Maybe call it
enhanced (doesn't matter what to call it). Charge perhaps $5/mo for
5GB. Or instead you could make it a 10GB plan for the mid-grade one,
and charge $10. I don't think you need an infinite number of steps
between premium and basic, but I've read many posts elsewhere that
said they'd like to se an "in-between" plan that gives more than basic
but less than premium.

The problem is if you offer such a plan and it turns out it didn't
work out well, do you eliminate the middle tier plan or grandfather
then in and just no longer offer it.

I'm not suggesting an exact price nor how much storage or which
features to offer for how much. The above were just examples.

Donald


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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

To summarize my take, here's what I think.
 
  • Yes, there is a donut hole.
  • It's about affordability, not price competition.
  • If it were filled, I'd probably move two of my legacy basic groups into it.
  • If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.
Pete


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 09:49 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
In addition, another member that has one of those existing groups can't save changes on the settings page that don't involve the title or email address without getting the error.

That should have been fixed a week or two ago.
This just happened 3 days ago, so there may be a little bug in the logic for an existing group.  They got around it by changing freecycle to phreecycle.

Duane

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