I'm saying that I LOVE and UNDERSTAND, but I am losing membership in a
couple valuable groups as they are short sighted.

Like my members who don't see trends in the industry, they would not
allow me to migrate to IO when it was free. They would not discuss it
at 110$. Only at the last minute did a few say. "I know & like IO." Or
"I know & hate Google."

The Edsel was [too] ahead if its time. Great car. "Looked wrong."

The masses do not understand that it took 2000 members 15-20 VERY busy
years to reach 3/4 of the Gig they use(d.) 

Does Google include text in their 15 Gigs? Maybe it's just apples and
oranges.?!?!?

Crowds went with Goliath.
David's people thought he was a nut for "~15 minutes."
Animals, insects, and other people and businesses stand tall and raise
arms and fluff up fur to appear large. That's google. They don't dole
out 14 extra Gigs which sit idle for 1-5-20 years. "It's on paper...
there when you want/need.it".Look hiw banks do money - want your
250,000? They don't actually have it... "Give us 2-3-4 days."

Find a loophole. Make this Edsel look as grand as their flimsy
fiberglass crap. Tell them 15 Gigs. Allot them 1. Tack on 1.at
900Megs. It's just a façade. It's still better under the car cover.

BillSF9c
Ex SillyCom Valley Dude

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so they
can move from Yahoo. It appears that if the word freecycle is in either
the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That address is not
valid." error. I know there are over 50 existing groups with freecycle in the
group name, so don't understand what the problem could be.

Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing the
Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular group with
freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark. I have not yet
asked that group to change their name, but I may have to. To head off any
new issues, no more groups with freecycle in their name. Note, I have no
idea if the demand is legally valid or not.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 10:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I suggest joining the app subgroup. The app is still being developed. We just rolled out the ability to approve/reject pending messages.

 

Link?

• Yes, there is a donut hole.
• It's about affordability, not price competition.
• If it were filled, I'd probably move two of my legacy basic groups into it.
• If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Donald Hellen
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Mark . . .

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:55:12 -0700, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the

free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the
kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a
business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of
groups/users are most important. But that's not us.

I'm not sure that most of his post explained it well, but I think he
was suggesting a plan between premium and basic. Maybe call it
enhanced (doesn't matter what to call it). Charge perhaps $5/mo for
5GB. Or instead you could make it a 10GB plan for the mid-grade one,
and charge $10. I don't think you need an infinite number of steps
between premium and basic, but I've read many posts elsewhere that
said they'd like to se an "in-between" plan that gives more than basic
but less than premium.

The problem is if you offer such a plan and it turns out it didn't
work out well, do you eliminate the middle tier plan or grandfather
then in and just no longer offer it.

I'm not suggesting an exact price nor how much storage or which
features to offer for how much. The above were just examples.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main

I also would stay away from google.

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:



Only Mark knows the financial side of GIO. GIO has to be a financial viable business. Let's allow Mark to decide what he feels the best. If what is offered by GIO is not satisfactory, the groups can move elsewhere. My 0.02

MKR

Virus-free. www.avg.com

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:40 AM Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA