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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Marv Waschke
 

It appears to me that there is either a bug, or at least difficult to predict behavior, lurking here somewhere. However, I have to say that I gave up on online drafts in all applications, not just gio, long ago in self-defense. Defects and unpredictable behavior in this area are everywhere. As a habit, I draft any writing of any length locally, usually in Word. Life is too short and humans too frail for me to expect perfect code. Best, Marv


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 07:12 AM, Duane wrote:
I'm not seeing that.  Mine is saving each draft when I leave the composition page.
Not sure I understand the comment..?? You're not seeing that because you're not experiencing the bug.
 
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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 08:52 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
the fact that it saves the first drsftvand only the first draft
I'm not seeing that.  Mine is saving each draft when I leave the composition page.

Duane


moderated Re: Actions button on member list becomes unavailable and count of selected members is negative #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 08:21 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
Unchecking the previously selected members causes the count to go negative. Normal service can be resumed
I can verify that this happens on Firefox 81.0.2 and 82.0, both 64bit on Win7.  A somewhat easier 'resume' is to use the Uncheck All button to get things back in sync until the underlying problem is corrected.

Duane


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Jim Wilson
 

I'm definitely in favor of either a physical button or some indication that the draft was saved. For instance, within a few seconds of tapping the last character, Gmail displays "Draft saved" in grey text within the header of a new messages or in the upper right-hand corner of replies created online.

I don't think I've had drafts disappear but having no indication that a draft is saved has been a worrisome problem for me.
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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

Bruce,
I was ready to entertain an idea like that at the beginning. But certain features of this, like the fact that it saves the first drsftvand only the first draft, even over the course of about 15 minutes of repeatedly rewriting and adding to it, and the fact that I am definitely not logged out or I would be unable to access other content on the site during at least one of the many interim periods, make me skeptical at this point. I do hope Mark will offer his thoughts.


On Oct 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Three, maybe even four times tonight I've worked on a detailed draft of a message, gone outside the composition window to look something up, and come back to find the draft entirely gone except for the original first sentence.
J - Here's an idea, portions of which may be in error. If so, I'm sure Mark will correct me.

Asynchronous communication between the client and host (I believe groups.io uses jQuery) depends on certain actionable activities. Typing in the editor is not one of them -- sending every keystroke would take too much bandwidth. So those edits are cached locally. I don't know exactly what actions cause a draft to be saved, but it would make sense that if it only happens when you click away from the editor in that browser tab. If such an action occurs when you're not connected, logged out, or you otherwise manage to clear the cached changes, the intervening edits are lost.

Unlike GIO, my webmail forces me to log into the provider's portal at least once a day. I have often hit "send" only to discover that the login expired while composing the message, losing everything I'd written. It's irritating.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #suggestion Embedding #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 09:22 AM, Alastair Sharp wrote:
Does anyone know how to embed code in a groups.io Web site?   I have some code which shows a better result than the associated URL does, but can't make it work.
Alastair -- Some constructs are stripped upon save. This includes scripting, iframes, and a lot of inline CSS. The speculation is that this is done so those features are not used as a vector for malware. Only Mark can tell you for sure.

You can put an iframe on the group's home page, but not in a wiki page. I have not attempted to put inline javascript on the home page.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Three, maybe even four times tonight I've worked on a detailed draft of a message, gone outside the composition window to look something up, and come back to find the draft entirely gone except for the original first sentence.
J - Here's an idea, portions of which may be in error. If so, I'm sure Mark will correct me.

Asynchronous communication between the client and host (I believe groups.io uses jQuery) depends on certain actionable activities. Typing in the editor is not one of them -- sending every keystroke would take too much bandwidth. So those edits are cached locally. I don't know exactly what actions cause a draft to be saved, but it would make sense that if it only happens when you click away from the editor in that browser tab. If such an action occurs when you're not connected, logged out, or you otherwise manage to clear the cached changes, the intervening edits are lost.

Unlike GIO, my webmail forces me to log into the provider's portal at least once a day. I have often hit "send" only to discover that the login expired while composing the message, losing everything I'd written. It's irritating.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


moderated Re: Actions button on member list becomes unavailable and count of selected members is negative #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 02:21 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
but after choosing to Discard the message, the membership list was redisplayed with the two members shown as checked but the action button is unavailable as the count of selected members shows as zero.
Since my original post I have found that this seems to work OK in Chrome but not in Firefox.

Andy


moderated #suggestion Embedding #suggestion

 

Does anyone know how to embed code in a groups.io Web site?   I have some code which shows a better result than the associated URL does, but can't make it work.

Thanks
Alastair Sharp


moderated Actions button on member list becomes unavailable and count of selected members is negative #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I selected a couple of members from a member list and the clicked 'Send message' from the Actions button.  The message composition window was displayed correctly but after choosing to Discard the message, the membership list was redisplayed with the two members shown as checked but the action button is unavailable as the count of selected members shows as zero. Unchecking the previously selected members causes the count to go negative. Normal service can be resumed by selecting the Admin > Members option again from the left side menu.

Regards
Andy


moderated Digest views and icons #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Some suggestions


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 03:28 AM, Mo wrote:
Having a "Save draft" button would solve all the random weird behaviour observed by differing users.
Maybe. I'd be in favor of that now. In my case I don't think the problem is with my device. I think it's a clue that the system gets stuck on the first draft, no matter how many times I add to or edit it. Nevertheless, a "save draft" button would be very helpful. I did end up having to copy/paste a word doc last night (which results in formatting issues). I don't want to constantly being worried about this. The system seems to know when I'm writing a complicated message and only does it then. :-)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Mo
 

I have also discovered this, but also found one example that is re-creatable.

My mobile phone is great for taking photo's but terrible for uploading pictures, it runs out of memory and is unable to load.

Showing me this message wipes my draft copy - its my phone that error's, so not sure why it does this.  I now upload images to photo's/files and link from there instead.  Taken me ages to put 2+2 together.

Hope this helps to contribute to a solution.  

Having a "Save draft" button would solve all the random weird behaviour observed by differing users.


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

I can further characterize the behavior, in case it helps: the system seems to get stuck on the first draft, no matter how many times I change or add to it. And it happens when I go outside the composition window to check on something else on the site, usually either a file or another message.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

This is happening again in spades tonight and I'm certain I'm not going offline. And the message I'm trying to post is very technical and complicated so this is extremely frustrating. I don't know what can be done to diagnose this behavior but I'm ready to give up and create a word document and paste it in.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: In group with "moderate posts from non-members" set, banning the non-member does not work #bug

 

I just ran a test and I can't reproduce this. I'm sorry for the false alarm. It seems to be fine and possibly I clicked the wrong thing. I'll see if it happens again in the future and report here.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated In group with "moderate posts from non-members" set, banning the non-member does not work #bug

 

I have a basic group which is set to "moderate posts from non-members." We are getting frequent messages from somebody's LinkedIn account asking to connect. I always ban these email addresses, which is one of the options when a message comes in from a non-member email address. However, I discovered today that the addresses are not being banned. They're not in the Banned Members list, and the activity log shows only that the messages were deleted.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: The ability to resize all uploaded Photos, or even a a single Photo #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

I would like to see this also.

Donald


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Peter Cook
 

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:55 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
show which features would be enabled/disabled if you downgraded to the free plan
Brilliant. Thank you, Mark - obviously lots of folks have been asking this question.

Pete

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