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moderated Re: Minor display bug in SEARCH-Members screens when editing a member #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 01:49 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
F5-refreshing the page refreshes the list contents and they now agree with the changes.  Not doing so, and continuing to (test-) edit that member (thinking one must have not made the change, so go back to check/redo it), results in a "one-page behind in display results" scenario, where the underlying code correctly does its thing, but the list display code seems to display the next to the last changes.
This is something of an insidious problem for a handful of groups.io operations. Deleting photos from a photo album does the same thing...the photos in the album are renumbered, but the thumbnails served from the browser cache are not.

I've gotten into the habit of doing a Ctrl-F5 whenever something doesn't "look right," but I suspect many others have yet to learn that trick. If the reload can be forced from the server side under such circumstances that would be a good thing (yes, I know it's been asked for before).

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: #bug in member search #bug #fixed

Bob Bellizzi
 

Thank you, Mark!
The only final  issue I have is that 
If one is looking for the number of hits, besides all of the actual hits,
They must issue the search twice, with an interveng change in their Profile preferences,
Once for the quantity and once for getting the full list if it's long.
In this case it runs into the hundreds of Topics because he is a top dog specialist with an international practice.
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: In pending message rejection, include the originally sent message, not an edited but still unapproved version of it #suggestion #misc

 

On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 10:34 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I recently started to edit an extremely long pending message for length and clarity. I eventually gave up and simply rejected the message, asking the member to rewrite it herself and resend. But in the message rejection notice, on which I bcc'd myself, where it says "the message is attached," the original message was not attached. Instead, the partically edited (by me) version of it was included.  This could be extremely confusing to the member and I think this is a mistake.

I've made this change.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

 

(Sorry, typo - “approve and unmoderate”)


On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:49 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Approve and moderate should not have set then to override: not moderated. Those are different and if they are now “P”, someone had to have inadvertently set that by hand. I think this part of the system is very robust and thoroughly tested and very unlikely to be buggy. Although anything is possible. 😊

Nobody can post to a locked topic as long as you have not also deleted the topic. If you deleted it, people may be able to reply via the emails that are still on their inbox.


On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Jim Pruitt <jpruitt67@...> wrote:

 This brings up another question.  Since the only way those members would be unmoderated on my group would be because I selected "approve and unmoderate" when their first message was posted way back when.  Are you saying that by selecting that rather than approve then it overrides the topic setting?  Last night I also locked the topic.  Is that going to stop posts to that topic or will these same 2 (and maybe others) be able to post to it anyway?

Thank you.

Jim


On 10/6/2020 5:49 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 05:23 AM, Duane wrote:
That's why it's suggested to not use any override settings for members, only "Use Group Moderation Setting".
I do quibble with that slightly. I don't know who "suggests" that. The setting is there by request and for a reason, and I have a few important trusted members set to "P."
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

 

Approve and moderate should not have set then to override: not moderated. Those are different and if they are now “P”, someone had to have inadvertently set that by hand. I think this part of the system is very robust and thoroughly tested and very unlikely to be buggy. Although anything is possible. 😊

Nobody can post to a locked topic as long as you have not also deleted the topic. If you deleted it, people may be able to reply via the emails that are still on their inbox.


On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Jim Pruitt <jpruitt67@...> wrote:

 This brings up another question.  Since the only way those members would be unmoderated on my group would be because I selected "approve and unmoderate" when their first message was posted way back when.  Are you saying that by selecting that rather than approve then it overrides the topic setting?  Last night I also locked the topic.  Is that going to stop posts to that topic or will these same 2 (and maybe others) be able to post to it anyway?

Thank you.

Jim


On 10/6/2020 5:49 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 05:23 AM, Duane wrote:
That's why it's suggested to not use any override settings for members, only "Use Group Moderation Setting".
I do quibble with that slightly. I don't know who "suggests" that. The setting is there by request and for a reason, and I have a few important trusted members set to "P."
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

Jim Pruitt
 

This brings up another question.  Since the only way those members would be unmoderated on my group would be because I selected "approve and unmoderate" when their first message was posted way back when.  Are you saying that by selecting that rather than approve then it overrides the topic setting?  Last night I also locked the topic.  Is that going to stop posts to that topic or will these same 2 (and maybe others) be able to post to it anyway?

Thank you.

Jim


On 10/6/2020 5:49 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 05:23 AM, Duane wrote:
That's why it's suggested to not use any override settings for members, only "Use Group Moderation Setting".
I do quibble with that slightly. I don't know who "suggests" that. The setting is there by request and for a reason, and I have a few important trusted members set to "P."
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: #bug in member search #bug #fixed

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 1:03 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
Mark,
This is in a search of the message archives for a recurrence of " Jun" which is a name.
However, I have my account preferences set to infinite  scroll and while just rechecking, found that
ALL of my searches limit to 20 results.
I have my name in my signature and I'm most likely the most prolific poster in the group and every post has my full name in it as it shows in my signature below.
But I quote it in my search
I also just tried my name as below without quotes and it only gives 20 results.


The message search results page never supported infinite scroll. I've just added it.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #bug in member search #bug #fixed

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,
This is in a search of the message archives for a recurrence of " Jun" which is a name.
However, I have my account preferences set to infinite  scroll and while just rechecking, found that
ALL of my searches limit to 20 results.
I have my name in my signature and I'm most likely the most prolific poster in the group and every post has my full name in it as it shows in my signature below.
But I quote it in my search
I also just tried my name as below without quotes and it only gives 20 results.
???
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Minor display bug in SEARCH-Members screens when editing a member #bug

Christos G. Psarras
 

Hi Mark,

Here's a minor display bug.  When one is in the Admin-Members screen and enters a search term and go into "Search" mode, after they select a member and edit their membership settings, the member list contents won't refresh when they are returned back to the search results member list, so it still shows the previous member attributes before editing. (DisplayName, EmailAddy, DeliveryMethod)

F5-refreshing the page refreshes the list contents and they now agree with the changes.  Not doing so, and continuing to (test-) edit that member (thinking one must have not made the change, so go back to check/redo it), results in a "one-page behind in display results" scenario, where the underlying code correctly does its thing, but the list display code seems to display the next to the last changes.

I tested this under Members-(regular) and Members-Mods, but I suspect the same also happens in the rest (Bouncing, Pending, etc), when there is a search term entered; it does not happen when there is no search term entered, it correctly refreshes the list contents in that case.

Not a biggie but it can be somewhat confusing/bewildering if one is not paying full attention and can result in unnecessary time & mouse clicks to figure out what just happened.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: #bug in member search #bug #fixed

 

Bob,

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:04 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
Mark, no matter how/where I set my line count, it appears that the 20 line max is back in Search


This is member search? ie the /members URL? Are you searching a type of members (ie Bouncing), or all members?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 05:23 AM, Duane wrote:
That's why it's suggested to not use any override settings for members, only "Use Group Moderation Setting".
I do quibble with that slightly. I don't know who "suggests" that. The setting is there by request and for a reason, and I have a few important trusted members set to "P."
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

 

Sorry, just seeing Duane's post now. I am on "following only" and was not following so did not see his post until I myself posted.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

 

If those members are set to “P” (“Override: not moderated”) they can post without approval to any topic, even moderated ones. Might want to check their posting status.


On Oct 6, 2020, at 5:05 AM, Jim Pruitt <jpruitt67@...> wrote:

 Today I had a topic get heated and out of hand.  I ended up banning one member and still decided on a second member.  To let things cool down I set the topic to moderated.  2 messages came in for moderation in the next 2 hours but 4 hours later 2 other messages were posted without moderation.  I can't understand why but suspect that because the 2 users that got their message posted without moderation after the topic had been set to moderated were 2 that had posted to the topic before it became moderated.

This seems like a major bug to me.  If a moderator sets a topic to moderated there should be no  messages get posted without going through moderator approval.

Thank you.

Jim


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 07:05 AM, Jim Pruitt wrote:
4 hours later 2 other messages were posted without moderation
Any members that have their Posting Privileges set to "Override: not moderated" will still be able to post replies.  That's why it's suggested to not use any override settings for members, only "Use Group Moderation Setting".

Duane


moderated #BUG moderated topic not moderated for some users #bug

Jim Pruitt
 

Today I had a topic get heated and out of hand.  I ended up banning one member and still decided on a second member.  To let things cool down I set the topic to moderated.  2 messages came in for moderation in the next 2 hours but 4 hours later 2 other messages were posted without moderation.  I can't understand why but suspect that because the 2 users that got their message posted without moderation after the topic had been set to moderated were 2 that had posted to the topic before it became moderated.

This seems like a major bug to me.  If a moderator sets a topic to moderated there should be no  messages get posted without going through moderator approval.

Thank you.

Jim


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #updates ; Donation support for free tier #update

Melissa Daston
 

Robin made some really good points.  As our renewal comes up I have to manually solicit donations (angels) from members, pay groups with my credit card, and then get small reimbursements.  The reason that I don't use your DONATIONS option is that our community uses Pay Pal.  It would be so much easier if you added Pay Pal.  

Melissa


moderated Re: Merge problem #bug #fixed

 

Hello,

Merging topics in the search results page has been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Merge problem #bug #fixed

Benoît Dumeaux
 

Actually it's impossible


moderated Re: Member Unable to Post Through Email #bug

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:17 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 09:10 PM, Chris wrote:
"SYSADMIN: Warming up a new email server by gradually sending some email traffic through it and monitoring email deliverability"
When I saw this update, I read it as a new server for outgoing emails from Groups.io.  If that's the case, then it shouldn't impact incoming emails.


This is correct. This serves outgoing email and has no effect on incoming messages. 

I'm not aware of any issues with email processing.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #bug in member search #bug #fixed

Judy F.
 

Bruce, I should have mentioned this, but didn't realize that's how the search worked or if I did, I didn't remember

We require an email address in every ad along with the member's first name (on separate lines) .  This appears at the end of the message. 

This issue isn't something that just occurred, but did happen once before and then things started working  until now. 

Thank you,
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

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