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moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 07:26 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
In particular, multiple email clients are known to fail to comply with RFCC 5322, at least by default. Instead of honoring the Reply-to: line, they send the message back to the From: address.
Yes, I've been recently noticing that on my iPhone, a second reply by me to the same recipient instead is sent back to me. I finally figured out that you can subvert this behavior by specifying "reply all."

However, in this case, there seems to be something unique about the one group member's email situation. Hard to know what it is. The "reply" behavior of the other people in my group with aol (at least all the ones who responded to my test thread) is correct according to the group reply-to setting, namely, the reply goes to the group.

FWIW, and in case this helps, the member is using a PC running WIndows 10.
 
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moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

With the exception of the "reply only to sender" topic setting*, there is no way for groups.io to actually force a particular reply behavior on each and every group member. 

The reply-to setting for a group or topic affects only the corresponding field in the outgoing message header (for individual messages), to wit:

Reply-To: main@beta.groups.io

This amounts to a suggestion, and that's all it can do. Whether the recipient complies with that suggestion depends on that person's own behavior (e.g.: reply vs reply all), settings and capabilities of his email provider, and especially the settings/behavior of his email client.

In particular, multiple email clients are known to fail to comply with RFCC 5322, at least by default. Instead of honoring the Reply-to: line, they send the message back to the From: address. Remedying this requires knowledge of both the provider and the client, and even then may not be fixable.

Ref: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/18853 

Hope this helps,
Bruce

*"Reply only to sender" is different in that if the recipient attempts to send a message back into the same topic, groups.io actively blocks it.


moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 01:03 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
she’s not doing that. She’s simply hitting “reply.”
In other words, her email is filling in the individual's address instead of the group address. She's not changing anything. So at first glance it looks like an aol problem, but it's not doing that with the other aol members, so it seems more likely to be an email setting. Or something. Anyway, I've forwarded her email to Mark at support.
 
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moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

True but she’s not doing that. She’s simply hitting “reply.”

On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:51 PM, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:23 PM, J_Catlady wrote:


But wait a sec: should group members be able to loophole out of a group's
"disable other reply options" using settings in their email?
Nothing to do with settings. If I compose a message in my email, typing the group's or an individual's address in the "to"box decides where it is going

Also, I'm not
sure (aka: I have not the vaguest idea) how these email settings work, but
when she clicks on Reply All, her reply does go to the group, as opposed to
the individual.
AFAIK, reply-all goes to all the addresses the original message had in the "to", "from"and "CC" boxes

groetjes, Ronaldo





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moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:23 PM, J_Catlady wrote:


But wait a sec: should group members be able to loophole out of a group's
"disable other reply options" using settings in their email?
Nothing to do with settings. If I compose a message in my email, typing the group's or an individual's address in the "to"box decides where it is going

Also, I'm not
sure (aka: I have not the vaguest idea) how these email settings work, but
when she clicks on Reply All, her reply does go to the group, as opposed to
the individual.
AFAIK, reply-all goes to all the addresses the original message had in the "to", "from"and "CC" boxes

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

But wait a sec: should group members be able to loophole out of a group's "disable other reply options" using settings in their email? Also, I'm not sure (aka: I have not the vaguest idea) how these email settings work, but when she clicks on Reply All, her reply does go to the group, as opposed to the individual.
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moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

Thanks, Duane! 


On Sep 29, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Other aol members hitting "reply" to a thread at my request, as an experiment, are having their messages correctly go to the group and not to me.
That would be a function of how each person has their email client/program set up.  Sounds like they've got it set to ignore the Reply To: header.

Duane

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moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Other aol members hitting "reply" to a thread at my request, as an experiment, are having their messages correctly go to the group and not to me.
That would be a function of how each person has their email client/program set up.  Sounds like they've got it set to ignore the Reply To: header.

Duane


moderated Re: If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

p.s. Mark, I will send you the details to support. It turns out that this does seem to be a bug having to do with the one member. Other aol members hitting "reply" to a thread at my request, as an experiment, are having their messages correctly go to the group and not to me.
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moderated If possible, make "disable other reply options" apply to email replies in all cases #suggestion

 

I had always thought that "disable other reply options" (in, for this case, a group with "reply to group" set) applied to email as well as web replies. However, it has come to my attention that's not always the case. In the case of aol email, for example, email replies resulting from the member hitting "reply" go only to the individual; the "disable other reply options" is not in effect for them. Whereas in gmail (which I use), the disabling is in effect - I only see "reply to group" and no option "reply" in my emails, like this:
View/Reply Online (#640) |  Reply To Group |  Mute This Topic | New Topic
Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner |  Unsubscribe [j.olivia.catlady@...]

I assumed this was a bug having to do with aol email's interaction with groups.io, until I checked the language of the explanation of "disable other reply options," which reads "Removes links on the website and digest to reply options other than your selected Reply To option." So is this saying that the disabling is guaranteed only for digest emails and not email replies in general? Was this a known issue with aol (and possibly other) email? Is there any way to disable other reply options for all email services? Because that's what I'd always thought it meant, until today.
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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

Yes, it did occur to me I may have gone offline. But that did not seem to be the case. I was able to load other stuff with no problem in between writing revisions of the message (which were never saved beyond, inexplicably, the first sentence), and the not-saving went on for a period of about 20 minutes. It’s possible that very coincidentally I went offline for just the few seconds each time a draft should have been saved. I’ll never forget a podcast I heard years ago on NPR by two statisticians (with great senses of humor, BTW) about coincidences. So it’s possible. 


On Sep 29, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:06 AM, Jeremy H wrote:
while there is an automatic feature to save draft messages, I have never quite understood quite when it actually would do so
In my situation, I see drafts lost on a regular basis, and not only on GIO.  I'm in a somewhat remote area with minimal options for internet access.  I've managed to find utilities that will show a 'live' icon on my computer so that I know when access is lost (sort of like the modem lights of days gone by. ;>)  At that point, I try to get back online so I don't waste a lot of time typing something that can't possibly get to the site where it could be included in a draft.  Until the browser folks come up with a local draft cache (if that's even possible), there's not much that any site can do about it.

Duane

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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Duane
 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:06 AM, Jeremy H wrote:
while there is an automatic feature to save draft messages, I have never quite understood quite when it actually would do so
In my situation, I see drafts lost on a regular basis, and not only on GIO.  I'm in a somewhat remote area with minimal options for internet access.  I've managed to find utilities that will show a 'live' icon on my computer so that I know when access is lost (sort of like the modem lights of days gone by. ;>)  At that point, I try to get back online so I don't waste a lot of time typing something that can't possibly get to the site where it could be included in a draft.  Until the browser folks come up with a local draft cache (if that's even possible), there's not much that any site can do about it.

Duane


moderated Re: Cannot reply from +owner address #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 04:39 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
This post was prompted by a question that was recently asked in GMF.
I made the same request in April 2018; see #16576.

Chris
... and I did in May (2020)  - see #25135

Any others?

Jeremy


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

I’ve never had drafts disappear before yesterday. They’d always, up until then,been saved automatically the moment I started typing. I would definitely not want to have to save them manually. The automatic saving of drafts is a great (and IMO needed) feature, and came about through need.

What currently is not saved are drafts of edits of pending messages (and I do wish those could be saved as well). That was definitely not the situation with the glitch I experienced last night. But it might be the issue you are noticing if you see drafts disappearing a lot.


On Sep 29, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Jeremy H via groups.io <jeremygharrison@...> wrote:

I have found - over the years - that half written messages in groups.io have a tendancy to disappear - while there is an automatic feature to save draft messages, I have never quite understood quite when it actually would do so; and would much prefer to have a manual option...

Jeremy

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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Jeremy H
 

I have found - over the years - that half written messages in groups.io have a tendancy to disappear - while there is an automatic feature to save draft messages, I have never quite understood quite when it actually would do so; and would much prefer to have a manual option...

Jeremy


moderated Re: How about the ability to schedule polls? #suggestion

Beth Weld
 

That would be very helpful for my group too
Thanks
Beth


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

I now can't reproduce this. Did anyone else experience it? I had to use two windows on groups.io, one for my ongoing draft and one fo look up other things (because the draft kept disappearing), but after finally sending the message, I went into my test group to try to reproduce the bug and couldn't.
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moderated drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

Three, maybe even four times tonight I've worked on a detailed draft of a message, gone outside the composition window to look something up, and come back to find the draft entirely gone except for the original first sentence.
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moderated How about the ability to schedule polls? #suggestion

Gina
 

I own a group that is used by the Board of Directors of a national organization and we cast our votes using polls. As the Secretary of the organization, I would love the ability to schedule polls as we always vote after a 48 hour discussion period.
Gina


moderated Re: delay in approvals of pending messages #bug

 

Further to this, I did a resend of a pending member notice to a pending member at 7:39 this morning (according to the log) and then checked the person's email delivery history to see if it had gone through. (I always check this because when a person doesn't return the questionnaire and I have to resend, I become concerned about whether they've been receiving the notices.) It hadn't. I checked the log a couple of minutes later and it is showing as delivered at 7:41. I think these used to go through immediately, or near immediately.  Of course two minutes is not a significant delay in terms of functionality, but it is odd. Just a data point.
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