On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

Other aol members hitting "reply" to a thread at my request, as an experiment, are having their messages correctly go to the group and not to me.

That would be a function of how each person has their email client/program set up.  Sounds like they've got it set to ignore the Reply To: header.

Duane

p.s. Mark, I will send you the details to support. It turns out that this does seem to be a bug having to do with the one member. Other aol members hitting "reply" to a thread at my request, as an experiment, are having their messages correctly go to the group and not to me.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I had always thought that "disable other reply options" (in, for this case, a group with "reply to group" set) applied to email as well as web replies. However, it has come to my attention that's not always the case. In the case of aol email, for example, email replies resulting from the member hitting "reply" go only to the individual; the "disable other reply options" is not in effect for them. Whereas in gmail (which I use), the disabling is in effect - I only see "reply to group" and no option "reply" in my emails, like this:
View/Reply Online (#640) |  Reply To Group |  Mute This Topic | New Topic
Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner |  Unsubscribe [j.olivia.catlady@...]

I assumed this was a bug having to do with aol email's interaction with groups.io, until I checked the language of the explanation of "disable other reply options," which reads "Removes links on the website and digest to reply options other than your selected Reply To option." So is this saying that the disabling is guaranteed only for digest emails and not email replies in general? Was this a known issue with aol (and possibly other) email? Is there any way to disable other reply options for all email services? Because that's what I'd always thought it meant, until today.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Yes, it did occur to me I may have gone offline. But that did not seem to be the case. I was able to load other stuff with no problem in between writing revisions of the message (which were never saved beyond, inexplicably, the first sentence), and the not-saving went on for a period of about 20 minutes. It’s possible that very coincidentally I went offline for just the few seconds each time a draft should have been saved. I’ll never forget a podcast I heard years ago on NPR by two statisticians (with great senses of humor, BTW) about coincidences. So it’s possible. 

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 08:06 AM, Jeremy H wrote:

while there is an automatic feature to save draft messages, I have never quite understood quite when it actually would do so

In my situation, I see drafts lost on a regular basis, and not only on GIO.  I'm in a somewhat remote area with minimal options for internet access.  I've managed to find utilities that will show a 'live' icon on my computer so that I know when access is lost (sort of like the modem lights of days gone by. ;>)  At that point, I try to get back online so I don't waste a lot of time typing something that can't possibly get to the site where it could be included in a draft.  Until the browser folks come up with a local draft cache (if that's even possible), there's not much that any site can do about it.

Duane

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 04:39 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

This post was prompted by a question that was recently asked in GMF.

I made the same request in April 2018; see #16576.

Chris

... and I did in May (2020)  - see #25135

Any others?

Jeremy

I’ve never had drafts disappear before yesterday. They’d always, up until then,been saved automatically the moment I started typing. I would definitely not want to have to save them manually. The automatic saving of drafts is a great (and IMO needed) feature, and came about through need.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I have found - over the years - that half written messages in groups.io have a tendancy to disappear - while there is an automatic feature to save draft messages, I have never quite understood quite when it actually would do so; and would much prefer to have a manual option...

Jeremy

That would be very helpful for my group too
Thanks
Beth

I now can't reproduce this. Did anyone else experience it? I had to use two windows on groups.io, one for my ongoing draft and one fo look up other things (because the draft kept disappearing), but after finally sending the message, I went into my test group to try to reproduce the bug and couldn't.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Three, maybe even four times tonight I've worked on a detailed draft of a message, gone outside the composition window to look something up, and come back to find the draft entirely gone except for the original first sentence.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I own a group that is used by the Board of Directors of a national organization and we cast our votes using polls. As the Secretary of the organization, I would love the ability to schedule polls as we always vote after a 48 hour discussion period.
Gina

Further to this, I did a resend of a pending member notice to a pending member at 7:39 this morning (according to the log) and then checked the person's email delivery history to see if it had gone through. (I always check this because when a person doesn't return the questionnaire and I have to resend, I become concerned about whether they've been receiving the notices.) It hadn't. I checked the log a couple of minutes later and it is showing as delivered at 7:41. I think these used to go through immediately, or near immediately.  Of course two minutes is not a significant delay in terms of functionality, but it is odd. Just a data point.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:12 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:

I thought +1 was just the 'email way' of liking a post.
That's the first time it got posted instead.

I was kinda surprised to see that, too.

We already have editing of Pending and Archived Posts...
I typically use it, as I believe you and other Moderators of GMF do:
to delete excessive quoting,
and more rarely to remove or sanitize offensive or inappropriate content.

Not saying that I wouldn't use it if available. :-)

Perhaps the better way to accomplish what Jim suggested would be a control of what file types can be attached.

That, or extend the audit trail [that already exists for messages in the archive] to include any changes made while in pending status.

Regards,
Bruce

Being on several groups with over enthusiastic moderators who delete
virtually all quoting leaving my messages totally out of context for
email recipients this is a practice that irks me enormously. What I
post on groups is what I want to see published. If the moderator
doesn't like any accidental excess quoting he should tell me not to do
it the next time not just delete what he doesn't like.There may be a
case for COMPRESSING large attachments but anything else is totally
wrong.

Dave

On 28 Sep 2020 at 0:12, Michael Pavan wrote:

We already have editing of Pending and Archived Posts...
I typically use it, as I believe you and other Moderators of GMF do: to
delete excessive quoting, and more rarely to remove or sanitize
offensive or inappropriate content.

http://davesergeant.com

On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:52 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@tds.net> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:33 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
+1

I thought +1 was just the 'email way' of liking a post.
That's the first time it got posted instead.

Sorry, but I gotta say -1. I have nothing against Jim's use case, but the ability to edit other people's posts is itself a slippery slope, and here we go sliding even further down it.

We already have editing of Pending and Archived Posts...
I typically use it, as I believe you and other Moderators of GMF do:
to delete excessive quoting,
and more rarely to remove or sanitize offensive or inappropriate content.

Perhaps the better way to accomplish what Jim suggested would be a control of what file types can be attached.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:33 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:

+1

Sorry, but I gotta say -1. I have nothing against Jim's use case, but the ability to edit other people's posts is itself a slippery slope, and here we go sliding even further down it.

Regards,
Bruce

+1

It would be nice if the "Edit pending message" function allowed a moderator to add as well as delete attachments.

For example, we want only PDF attachments, not .docx etc. and it would be helpful if a moderator could convert an attachment if it is not the desired form before approving the message.  That would require being able to add new attachments to the message.   Currently is is only possible delete an existing attachment.

(Yes, we ask people to convert to PDF before attaching to posts, but some don't know how and frankly are unlikely to learn because they know nothing but their 10-year-old copy of MS Word  :-|

Mark,

I'm seeing similar delay behavior in message approvals (via emal) today to what I saw when there was the email delay problem. For example, I approved a message via email and it had not gone through within several minutes. I eventually had to go to the site to approve it, and by that time other messages in the thread had already gone through that made it somewhat obsolete. I probably would not have bothered to report this except that I know there was the other delay problem prior to this, and perhaps they are related.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu